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    Response to Jdepape on the CWB

    Many of you have been following Jdepape's arguments about the CWB.
    Much of what Jedpape says is similar to what is in the Informa Economics report on the CWB from 2008. It is important that you read the CWB's response (below) to arguments put forth by Informa as it answers many of jdepapes arguments.


    Alberta report misuses data to reach false conclusions: CWB

    August 8, 2008

    Winnipeg – An Alberta government report has used false assumptions and selective data to undermine the value of the CWB, its president and CEO Ian White said today.

    “This study is badly flawed,” White said. “The authors have made sweeping assumptions to create comparisons so simplistic that they are meaningless.”

    The report, commissioned by the Alberta government and prepared by Informa Economics, was released last week. It calculates on page 34 that the CWB earned significant premiums (prices above market values) of up to $33 per tonne in 10 of 11 markets studied, but then uses a number of incorrect assumptions to discount them.

    The report wrongly assumes that all wheat is the same and that overall market share is what determines the CWB’s ability to exercise market power, White said. It ignores the crucial fact that the wheat market is not homogeneous, but made up of many segments that purchase specific kinds of wheat. In certain segments, the CWB will hold a very large market share for a particular kind of wheat and thus earn substantial premiums.

    Because of its flawed premise, the report selectively focuses on only 11 of the 60 to 70 actual wheat markets the CWB sells into each year – rejecting important, high-value markets like Canada, the U.S. and Europe. Based on false assumptions about what grades or qualities of wheat these markets were buying from Canada, the report then wrongly adjusts and discounts the higher prices achieved by the CWB in 10 of the markets.

    “This adjustment does not reflect how grain marketing works in the real world,” White said. “Wheat is different, markets are different and our strategy as a single seller takes advantage of exactly that fact.”

    The report also blatantly misuses grain handling and transportation data published by the respected Quorum Corporation, which produces the quarterly Grain Monitor report under contract to the federal government. Quorum emphasizes in its reports that efficiency comparisons cannot be made between wheat and canola based on its calculations of export basis and producer netback for each crop. Yet that is precisely what Informa has done.

    Examples of other flaws include:

    * Lack of acknowledgement that the CWB’s dominant position in the durum market supports the overall price structure.
    * Comparisons to U.S. elevator prices, which are based on a different set of market factors than Canadian wheat returns. American wheat has an intrinsic price advantage due to factors such as the dramatically lower proportion exported from the U.S. (40 per cent compared to 80 per cent in Canada). This means less U.S. grain is sold into diverse markets outside North America where prices tend to be lower and transportation logistics more expensive.
    * Handling system costs are counted twice in the comparison between U.S. and Canadian returns for wheat and durum. Farmgate values that already account for system costs are used, then a canola-versus-wheat comparison is added that also accounts for those same costs.
    * Failure to account for the CWB’s ability to assure customers of long-term and consistent-quality supply, which is a valuable competitive market advantage, attributable to the single-desk structure.
    * Failure to acknowledge the dramatic differences in U.S. and Canadian rail capacity. The study also fails to account for the important role played by the CWB in keeping regulated rail freight rates in Western Canada lower than American rates.

    Based on all of the above, the CWB completely refutes a key finding of the report that an open market would generate significantly more revenue for Prairie farmers than the single-desk system.

    “It is ironic that this false conclusion is being circulated in a year when the CWB marketing approach has delivered extraordinary returns to farmers,” White said. “We’ve conservatively pegged that benefit at $560 million for 2007-08.”

    White said the CWB will conduct further, more in-depth analysis of the report’s methodology and conclusions and intends to share those results when completed.

    Controlled by western Canadian farmers, the CWB is the largest wheat and barley marketer in the world. One of Canada’s biggest exporters, the Winnipeg-based organization sells grain to over 70 countries and returns all sales revenue, less marketing costs, to farmers.

    #2
    Sounds like something out of "pravda".

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      #3
      chuckles

      you said

      "* Lack of acknowledgement that the CWB’s dominant position in the durum market supports the overall price structure."

      Doesn't seem that the cwb's dominant position is working all that well.

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        #4
        Bucket, Ian White said it.

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          #5
          But do you believe it chuck?

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            #6
            chuckles

            More likely Maureen Fitzfunny wrote that for Ian White.

            Either way, how is that dominant position working for western canadian farmers when the US farmer is getting over 7 bucks usd for every bushel they haul in without restrictions on delivery.

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              #7
              chuckChuck,

              Just because 'Ian White' says something... does it mean it must be true?

              If Ian White told you to go through 5000 20 dollar bills, that are Canadian legal tender, in the trash can and light them on fire... would you follow his instructions?

              Ian year after year... tells us to do this... if he actually believed and meant what he said in that document.

              Shame on Ian for saying this... HE KNOWS BETTER.

              chuckChuck... as should you.

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                #8
                Just because J Depape says it it must be true!

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                  #9
                  By way of clarification, Informa Economics did do this study but John
                  DePape wasn't with the organization at the time. Nor did he
                  contribute to the study.

                  Always appreciate when chuckChuck and Agstar highlight Alberta
                  work.

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                    #10
                    I'd say that those who use independently verifiable facts tend to be far more credible than those who don't. De Pape does this in on a regular basis. The CWB on the other hand...

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                      #11
                      chuckChuck:

                      Are you hiding on me?
                      Still haven't got a good answer to the question:

                      08-09 premiums: $6.65
                      08-09 costs to get those premiums: $10.14
                      09-09 NET: minus $3.49

                      CWB's own numbers - all of them.
                      Apparently you disagree with something here.

                      This is getting a little boring - you always trying to distract and deflect into another topic, without resolving this one.

                      chuckChuck: for your own integrity's sake, tell us why you don't believe these numbers.

                      And don't try to hide behind the Informa Study - it doesn't use either of these numbers, nor this analysis.

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                        #12
                        Yes chuckles, please answer the question.

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                          #13
                          Since Ian White's appoitment,I have seen very little leadership.He seems to be little more than a puppet of the CWB's hyerarchy and their speech writers.Come on Ian,step up and be a man?

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                            #14
                            Here is a link to the Informa Economics report and the Western Canadian Wheat Growers Association response to the CWB response.

                            [URL="http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$Department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agc6751/$FILE/informafinalreport.pdf"]study[/URL]

                            <a href="http://www.wheatgrowers.ca/pdf/policy/Informa%20commentary%20_final_.pdf">respon se</a>

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                              #15
                              When you try to understand someone else's logic; you might start on the basis that they are a human being and surely are driven by standards such as wishing that they would treat you as you would treat them.
                              However; that only has a chance if both parties; and everyone else involved in the debate recognizes their conflicts of interests and their level of greed and selfishness.
                              For innstance any SOB who supports the board and has fears that his easy access to the US or the world would be slammed shut if every other farmer had his special organic advantage; is making me more cynical by the month. And any registered seed grower that doesn't contribute back his US access advantage is a sick story in itself.
                              One would hope their attitudes will change; but they will not because that is a part of those people that they wish not to admit and recognize.
                              If real names were put to those staunch supporter pen names;then I suspect that the legitimate arguments of CWB positives could be supported by all but the equally radical few on the other extreme of the argument.

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