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    How to run a voluntary pool

    http://cwbmonitor.blogspot.com/2010/11/operating-cwb-pool-in-voluntary-market.html

    <b>Operating a CWB Pool in a voluntary market</b>

    Proponents of the single desk often say that the CWB could never succeed as a voluntary option in an open market. In fact, this is the basis of the argument that a dual market could never work.

    The main reason often indicated is that voluntary pooling can’t work. It’s not pooling that’s the problem, it’s the Initial Payment. In an uptrending market, the Initial Payment (which if fixed) would become increasingly unattractive. Even the Pool Return Outlook (PRO) lags behind the market and doesn’t show the current value of the grain. So, in an uptrending market, the price signals from the pool would fail to attract deliveries as farmers opted for higher open market prices.

    The opposite would occur in a down trending market. As the spot open market price drops, the PRO would become increasingly attractive. In fact, the Initial Payment might become too high. In this situation, the CWB argues, it would be swamped with grain deliveries that it would end up selling at a loss.

    There are two factors that need to be addressed. Access to the CWB program in an open market and pricing.

    Let’s start with pricing. This is how it could work:

    All farm contracts with the CWB would begin as a basis contract. The basis would be guaranteed. There would be no guaranteed Initial Payment.

    I’ve often wondered why the CWB guarantees a flat price with the Initial Payment when it only has control over the basis. The CWB takes on the risk that the market price will move against the Initial Payment. For this reason, the CWB sets the Initial at something like 60-65% of the expected final – just in case.

    Guaranteeing only the basis would mean less risk to the CWB. A typical basis (on CWB sales) to the appropriate futures market could be identified and the potential range of that basis calculated. The CWB could advise as early as seeding time what the basis would be for all classes and grades of wheat and barley. Because the CWB would be guaranteeing only a basis, the risk to the CWB would be greatly reduced.

    Just like the current Initial Payment, the Initial Basis would be guaranteed, meaning it would never go down. And there could be final payments (based solely on the difference in the basis sold when compared to the initial basis).

    Farmers would sign up deferred delivery basis contracts with the CWB at the beginning of the year – just like they do with grain companies on canola. And just like the non-CWB market, the contract would be priced at a time of the producer’s choosing (not at the CWB's discretion).

    Beyond offering a competitive and meaningful price in an open market (and one that changes as the underlying market prices change), there are other benefits:

    -It could be voluntary.

    -Farmers could get paid on delivery a higher proportion of the final sale value, helping with cash flow considerations.

    -The CWB would have much less risk making it easier for the CWB to manage its risk (therefore it would cost less).

    -There would be no need for complicated PPOs.

    -The CWB could offer shorter pooling periods.

    -Farmers could opt into the pool at any time.

    -The CWB could offer pricing off the different futures contracts which would allow for better price signals for deliveries. For example, if there was a price advantage to deliver in the spring instead of the fall, the price would provide that incentive.
    Farmers that want just a flat price initial could get that from the CWB too.

    -Better price discovery and transparency.

    Why does the CWB want to take on risk that it must then manage?

    Next, I’ll cover how the CWB can manage access to the CWB program in an open market.

    #2
    Has merit. I think anyone that signs pre harvest should get the option to defer delivery to next crop year before end of Oct. Guess that puts CWB at risk but why can grain companies do it?

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      #3
      Here is a solution for the monopoly fellas.

      How about we banish the CWB for the next 75 years, and let us free marketers have a 75 year span of marketing grain how we want it done.

      Just as they have had for the last 70 plus years.

      They've had their 70 years to overrule our freedom. How about we have 70 years to override theirs.

      Next.

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        #4
        OK before you say stupid Hopperbin, it gives farmers insurance that we are not undersold for pre selling. Not entirely. Buyers would understand it as well as farmers. What the hell is wrong with that? By the way we have forced CWB so why don't we have that today.

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          #5
          I think the CWB should have a pooling system that lasts 6 months max. Seems the system they have now is kind of a 18 month pool because alot of overlap. Think most farmers would contract grain into both pools but they would also get final payments much faster. Each pool would have a limit of grain and if you do not get in you have option of selling on open market. I think I would choose to use the CWB this way. Farmers deserve the right to choose.

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            #6
            We could then voluntarily decide how much time we have to spend in jail if we want to sell it on our own terms to wherever we want?

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              #7
              This is a least expensive way:

              Copy-cat a program that is already in effect for feed wheat and barley exports.

              It's called the Export Manufactured Feed Agreement.(EMFA)

              This would be how it works:

              snappy (where iS he anyhow?) would apply to the CWB for a no-buyback export license for his say, durum.

              The CWB will automatically provide one.

              (The EMFA requires no fees, no costs; Ralph Goodale claimed, in Parliament, there are neglibile CWB licensing fees in a year)

              With CWB export license in hand,(same as the seed growers now enjoy) the farmer can do as he pleased with his grain.

              Ship it.

              The EMFA program is already in effect and has been for years

              Pars

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                #8
                With a voluntary CWB you don't need to "apply" for export licenses - you would simply get one (if you needed it at all). There'd be no reason to withhold it.

                Simply opening things up to allow for "no-buyback export licenses" does nothing to equip the CWB to compete or provide value for those that would want to use it (voluntarily).

                Perhaps you don't care.

                But if you want to change things, you best come up with solutions that work for those that are on the other side of the argument.

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                  #9
                  1. The CWB Act itself currently has a licensing requirement, and it is in force, hence the need for feed mill licensing applications.

                  2. Voluntaty pooling would function similarily as it now does; after all the adherenets are happy with it as is, or else the majority monopoly directors would service the CWB with improvement.

                  3. At the present time, a voluntary system is indeed running parallel to the monopoly system. "Awake!"

                  4. I am not opposed to suggestions for improvement for a voluntary CWB; I am merely highlighting we can learn from what we now operate.

                  Pars

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                    #10
                    Ian McCreary essentailly designed the EMFA; at the very least he was the most significat designer of the feed mills operating voluntarily within a monopolist Board system.

                    CWB supporters gave birth to a parallel system still in place.

                    Let's see why they blessed it, so we can duplicate that process.

                    Maybe we need to hire McCreary to write it up.

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                      #11
                      Parsley,

                      There are thousands of 'voluntary pools' in operation today... we do not need Ian or CWB intelegence to co-operate with each other.

                      This agriville site itself is a 'voluntary pool' of information!

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