GM triffid Flax... who is responsible?

[parsley]

Sorry Tom, I've been on a buying binge!

If anyone initiates a suit, they must show a real legitimate loss. You certainly can. You have the quantity, the price and the unsold inventory to prove your point. Also, the stagnant flax sales to the EU have been tabulated by the trade and by the flax council itself. THERE IS A REAL LOSS. Only the deceptive will try to convince farmers there is no flax money loss.

If I were to sue, I would target the company shareholders who originally legally purchased Triffid from the University of Saskatchewan,and follow their path of changing and renaming and reinventing into various other companies right up and until the present time even though they have de-registered.

The courts will not be fond of actions that leave garbage for others to pick up, by merely changing names. I would contact infected and non-infected farmers who recognize there is a loss, and initiate a class action.

I would target two causes for claim. 1. Personal lost sales such as yours, and
2. Markets lost in the EU for someone like borderbloke where the grain just isn't moving.

I would also refer the Court to the bill the NDP just had passed in the house of Commons as a support of the validity of my claim. Even the MP's can see there is some loss of market share. In my opinion, and it is only an opinion, deceptive parties, who I believe to often be payrolled hacks, will pretend that loss does not exist. But as you said Tom, it does.

I would employ Cameron Plett. Pars

[cottonpicken]

Tom,i thought you are a certified seed grower,your
telling us you never sold any certified seed for 16
bucks,that its all in your bin?

[parsley]

"need a refresher. Did some rats die somewhere - or develop Triffid tumors? Were some babies born deformed because their mothers ate Triffid flax? Did someone die, or even get seriously ill? Has a renowned scientist found GM caused carcingens in any foods - of any kind? What about the rice? Same questions. Canola? Soybeans? Corn? Beer? French cheeses? Penicillin?"

1. If your wife's cupboards were delivered and installed and they were bright orange painted plywood, instead of the walnut ones she'd ordered, could the cupboard company use your argument?

[parsley]

"need a refresher. Did some rats die somewhere - or develop Triffid tumors? Were some babies born deformed because their mothers ate Triffid flax? Did someone die, or even get seriously ill? Has a renowned scientist found GM caused carcingens in any foods - of any kind? What about the rice? Same questions. Canola? Soybeans? Corn? Beer? French cheeses? Penicillin?"

1. If your wife's cupboards were delivered and installed and they were bright orange painted plywood, instead of the walnut ones she'd ordered, could the cupboard company use your argument?

[parsley]

"need a refresher. Did some rats die somewhere - or develop Triffid tumors? Were some babies born deformed because their mothers ate Triffid flax? Did someone die, or even get seriously ill? Has a renowned scientist found GM caused carcingens in any foods - of any kind? What about the rice? Same questions. Canola? Soybeans? Corn? Beer? French cheeses? Penicillin?"

1. If your wife's cupboards were delivered and installed and they were bright orange painted plywood, instead of the walnut ones she'd ordered, could the cupboard company use your argument?

[tipsy]

Tom4cwb do I understand you correctly, are you claiming 5 different varieties of breeder seed is contaminated with triffid?

[parsley]

First of all, let's try and get you to understand the consumer's point of view:

You say: "need a refresher. Did some rats die somewhere - or develop Triffid tumors? Were some babies born deformed because their mothers ate Triffid flax? Did someone die, or even get seriously ill? Has a renowned scientist found GM caused carcingens in any foods - of any kind? What about the rice? Same questions. Canola? Soybeans? Corn? Beer? French cheeses? Penicillin?"

1. Well, Kodiak, if your wife's cupboards were delivered and installed and they were bright orange painted plywood, instead of the walnut ones she'd ordered, should the cupboard company use your argument as follows, and confront your wife:

"need a refresher. Did some Kodiaks die somewhere - or develop plywood tumors? Have some babies been born deformed because their mothers cooked on plywood cupboards? Did someone die, or even get seriously ill? Has a renowned scientist found plywood caused carcingens in any foods or houses - of any kind? What about the livingroom? Same questions. bedroom? bathroom? Basement? Beer? French cheeses? Penicillin?"

If you still cannot understand try thios one:

2. Bernard's Funeral Home ordered 4 black hearses and he refused delivery because all four delivered were bright red.

I realize there is nothing wrong with a red hearse. But my mother would have gasped and been horrified. Is that how you want customers to react? Do you take into consideration, Kodiak, that there is 'sensitivity' in buying and selling? Have you ever heard of buyer preference?

If you cannot agree Kodiak, that the EU made it crystal clear that they did not wish to purchase genetically modified flax, because their consumers did not want to buy that product, then I would suggest that you take time and read about it. Familiarize yourself. Berating customers does not increase sales. Trying to make the EU buyers look stupid does not enhance Canadian flax marketing.

I realize that some of you prefer central planning methodology. You decide, I heel.

Locally, CPlanners say: "Here is the food we have gentically modified for you, now eat it and shut up."

Export, CPlanners say: "Here is the food we have gentically modified for you, and shipped to you now pay for it, eat it and shut up."

NO!

I am fussy with my food. I will eat what I choose. You can go ahead and swallow genetically modified laboratory frogs WHOLE, for all I care. Just don't berate a EU market organics has worked very hard for decades, to build from no market at all into a thriving market. Pars

[Burbert]

Go fer it Tom4. WHINNING AND SNIVELING won't get it done this time. Government appears to be ignoring the situation or could care less. Tom4, you certainly have the expertise, stats and overall good sense to git this done. First see if'in you kin find a lawyer or team of lawyers who know anything about farming, or be prepared to hand them a huge sum of cash to pay attention to ya. Litigation in Amerika, is a way of life. In Kanada it's like pullin hens teeth. Lawyers and Courts could care less about Kanadian Gag. But be wary, cause they may believe that the seed growers bear someathe liability in this case, too.... After all we's got such a great system in place, hence no mistatkes could ever be made. Good luck, maybe a classy action suit wit lottsa seed groweres would be the way to proceed, ifin you kin find any that'll co-operate, cause they're all busy now seedin....

[Fransisco]

Tom, we can say no one did anything wrong because no one got physically hurt. Financially, yes, farmers got whacked but it's not because they did anything wrong or, contrary to what parsley keeps harping about, because their customers didn't want the product. Our EU customers would love to buy our flax right now but their junk science fueled bureaucrats won't let them.

One of the things about farming that I think we have all learned the hard way is that even when you do everything right sometimes you wind up lossing money anyways.

[Fransisco]

Parsley, for the 92,357th time. You are not the EU consumer, you do not speak for all EU consumers and neither do the bureaucrats who are blocking our shipments.