flax conference call

[parsley]

Wait until your patch and every cattleman's patch or pasture of alfalfa, crosses with the new GM alphalfa, and all of a sudden you get a bill for GM patent stealing,as did Percy, and you have to rip up the alphalfa, and there is no other alfalfa seed to plant unless you buy the GM seed from some very very delighted seedgrowers.

Yes, well.

[bucket]

Well said cotton.

[grrrr]

I want to know why I even bothered to test my flax. It came back negative. Zero GMO. I will probably not market this flax this year as prices are in the tank. Next crop year, Europe won't take it anyway because it wasn't grown with special high priced certified seed. Is this flax good enough for Europe today or not? If it sits in the bin until let's say November of 2010, is it good enough for Europe then or not?

[bucket]

grrr

Just go buy your "certified seed ticket" to the big game and sell is as new crop. You can then claim your flax yields were astronomical because you bought it.

The industry(barry,quenton, linda) are not coming to your farm to audit. All you need is a certified seed label and your flax is safe.

That's what wrong with the solution.

[parsley]

Does anyone import registered US seed or Swedish seed?

[bucket]

BTW, there is nothing wrong with anyone's flax just the politicians in Europe. There are companies needing flax and can't get it in Europe.

I guess when companies start laying people off and the tree huggers find a new cause the problem might go away.

The triffid variety is technically safe.Its no different than Barrie wheat compared to clearfield wheat.

Someone decided to shit on triffid and the canadian industry said "ok shit on us".

The industry should of said " Thanks very much for the info but our producers are willing to sit this one out - now **** off. And when you are ready to come to your senses, come see us. Its been ten years since we bowed down to you and quit growing this stuff.Just because you found a new testing device doesn't mean the problem isn't curing itself"

[parsley]

Interestng marketing strategy, bucket.

The flour mills import grain from other countries; however; Western produces cannot export grain. Can registered seed be imported?

[bucket]

Yeah, I don't know if I believe it but it just feels better once in a while to have a short rant.

I think this flax thing is a mess but the EU is not doing themselves any favors.

Ok they identified an issue but they have no benchmarks to say if the problem is worse than 3 years ago because they could not test for triffid.

If in two years they find levels have dropped to .0005 triffid are they going to issue new rules again.

Or will they say the problem is flushing itself through good agronomic and accepted practices and recognize that canadian farmers quickly fixed the problem.

For the industry it would be better if all producers practiced the testing protocols for the next two years and as triffid was found it was re routed to an acceptable market. That way producers wouldn't be so pissed off at buying new seed.

I know if my flax tests positive for triffid the bins are getting emptied out for the simple fact I don't want the problem. But to penalize me if my seed is sound does seem a bit too dictorial.

[oneoff]

oneoff posted Feb 3, 2010 23:43
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T4 has done the math for combining losses (in a seperate post) Do the same for a 0.01% loss and you will see that it is not zero. Simple as that.
Zero means nil, none, nada and so little of diddly squat that there is absolutely nothing left.
But 0.01% and all the way down to zero is what you and I may think is insignificant; but not necessarily to others. The current Triffid test can't be sure (probably at 95% level of significance at one standard deviation or something like that) if there is any Triffid at all or if it is there at between 0.01% and zero per cent in every test that has ever been conducted to date, or will be conducted using that test in the future. This also insinuates that the test isn't to be relied on as having 100% accuracy. Thats why they can do 4 tests; and then you add confidence to your results. You don't believe that? Then why would you even bother doing 3 additional tests on the same sample if you're so damn sure about the first test. Still with even four tests; no one can be 100% sure; and you still basically can't even hazard a guess that the sample is totally clean. You're pretty sure its somewhat less than 0.01 and whatever that actual amount is; it will fall between zer0 and 0.01%
There. I got that off my chest and have made a statement that will destry all my future credibility if I am wrong. (Don't worry; a person can always change their pen name and come back reincarnated.)
Regardless; thats called statistics 101; and don't hold me to it anymore cause I'm getting forgetful in older age; tired from being worn down from events like Triffid; disappointed that younger potential farmers see no future in farming; not suprised that there are so few people like parsley out there and I have honestly forgotten much more than I currently know. Hopefully the basics and some learned common sense principle's remain; and my analysis adds something to the discussion.

[timm]

just dont grow flax....its a pain in the ass anyway!!