If this on the up & up?

[SADIE]

ASRG---I agree with you about not being the instructors favorite pupil. Do you think I was-----NOT.

I compliment ASRG on all your posts on this thread and about the property rights bills that you Albertans face. Now Bill 2.

We have lots of our own problems in in Sask but hopefully the landowners resistance movement to protect property rights in Alberta keeps growing by all the modern forms of movement. Twitter, Social media.

The awareness you people raise in Alberta---the movement for landowners has to begin in Alberta first before there is any chance of a spin-over to other provinces.

[forage]

Another land agent expresses his or her concerns ,just how many land agents are on this site ? Sorry for the rants but I really cann't believe just how invasive this Bill 2 really is and that is why it really hasn't been out in the public for people to actually know what to hell is really going on. I wish hughes would come to my neighborhood and explain just how good this bill is for farmers and ranchers. Notice he stated he would come to rural communities and tell us but isn't it a little late after they pass the Bill.

[ASRG]

Whoa....forage! I said I took the land agents course....I never worked at it! And while I have helped lots of landowners negotiate deals I have NEVER charged anyone one red cent....in fact I have always refused money when offered. Furthermore I paid for my own tuition and books!
I'm not some kind of saint. I have strong beliefs in freedom and rights. It is the reason I am involved in property rights and the Wildrose party. I spent some serious time and money working to get my WRP candidate elected.
A good portion of my income comes from oil and gas, through both surface and mineral rights......but my heart is with crops and livestock!

[SADIE]

I too took the land agents course only to protect myself. I paid for it at my own expense and again I never have charged anything for information when asked by another landowner.

It sure helps to understand terms like:

1)Keeping "landowner whole".

2)Pattern of dealing---

3)Quiet enjoyment of the surface of the land.

Once you understand the tactics used by land agents in trying to obtain a landowners signature you can turn that around and use it against them or the energy company and help other landowners along the way.

The course and experience also helps one understand how the regulator in this case THE NATIONAL ENERGY BOARD operates.

Like posted earlier. Having the privilege to work with the CAEPLA group on a volunteer basis I have experienced how corruption of governments work at both the federal and provincial levels.

An experience of working with the media also has been a benefit as well.

[forage]

ASRG I stated another land agent expresses their concerns and indeed they should. The olds college has turned out alot of land agents year after year the main theme that landowners are nothing but a greedy ,mindless group who deserve to be lied to and screwed for their greed. There is a well known saying among the practicing land agents that farmers are like *****s they well do anything for a dollar. We need more rural people like you and Sadie to take this propaganda course to educate the rest just how bad it is and when find out just how much money the Encana's of world donate to this course every year no wonder the profs are teaching the mind set of the oil and gas sector is the almighty

[ALLFARMER]

Forage if farmers "one day have no rights" then
the land would be worthless. I don't see land
being worthless any time soon.

I hope your enjoying fighting the gov. Some days I
do the same myself...I have fought and beaten
over a dozen speeding tickets.

I also fought the gov. for 10 years over a bridge
that leads to my property. I had to sign and accept
responsibility for a full size rural road bridge when
I decided to buy this farm. I actually decided not to
buy this farm because the only access to this
property is from a bridge that is not even on my
land. After a month of looking around I came back
to this property (a cheap buy because of the
bridge issue and a hog barn one mile away.....I
also never fought the hog barn) So I bought the
farm and go stone walled by the municipal and
then the provincial gov ...my MLA. He already
heard of this bridge and said he wouldn't touch it.
So I waited..then when he retired I wrote a letter
to the new MLA Frank Oberle and asked him one
simple question, who owns this bridge? Within
days there was a survey crew out. He wrote me
back and it's a provincial bridge. Maintained by
the county. Then I fought for a couple years to get
maintenance done. The provincial bridge
department said the county was saying it was low
priority. I said its more like no priority. Alright he
says what does it need ....well there is a retaining
wall completely in the creek, on and on. Now it
gets inspected yearly and has been fixed up
some. The bridge foreman said this was the
worst bridge he has seen his 30 years. It needs
dynamite lol. The hog barn only ran 4yrs after I
bought this place and then it went broke. So with
these 2 issues resolved guess what my land value
has done 160k now like 650k on the original 1/2
section. Plus I fought for another 5 quarters of gov
land to adjoin that. Currently I have 1.5 miles of
land touching up against a gov bush bush
township, lots of room for expansion on this outfit.

The moral of this big long story is to pick your
battles wisely.

[per]

Don't forget Forage that ALSA passed 3rd reading in 2008 and we are still having the conversation and affecting changes that included amendments. The land assemblies act was also reopened and changed as is the Electric Statues Act. It is never to late on these things but for sure it would be nice if government would listen and get it correct from the get go.

Allfarmer is right about picking your battles and this is one worth battling for a bunch of us. We do however have only so much capacity and can get too stretched.

[grassfarmer]

The moral I read in your story Allfarmer was that you
are only interested in things directly affecting you.
That's quite a difference from most of the other
commentators on this post.

[ALLFARMER]

With all the gas, diesel, natural gas, health care,
roads, plastic products, good paying jobs that the
oil patch provides there are trade offs.

If Wiebo Ludwig hated the oil patch so much why
the heck did he buy a farm in the middle of it???

Wait till highway 2 needs a third lane. Alberta tax
payers are gunna pay thru the nose for that.

[SADIE]

Just a comment "food for thought".

We live in central Saskatchewan and not anywhere near the activity of Pump Jack and oil wells, flares, oil patch jobs close by, sponsorships from oil companies.

My only expertise and knowledge comes from the experience of three pipeline corridors ENBRIDGE---now two easements and 6 pipes dating back to 1951. Alliance 48 inch built in 1997 and Kinder Morgan (cochin) built back in 1976. We are in Saskatchewan and Powerlines cross the countryside not following lot lines, diagonnally crossing open quarters of farm land.
There is "0" annual payment to the pipeline landowners. This area of landowners now has approaching 70 years of pipes in the ground and now are seeing in one generational lifetime the lifecycle of a large diameter pipeline on their properties.

Most landowners with utilities like myself purchased lands and were "un informed landowners"

With the implementation of the Sask/Canada Environmental farm plans in 2005-07 there has been a huge wake-up call on proper land stewardship through our countryside.

My question is and what I have learnt from having CAEPLA coming in and working and educating pipeline landowners on the ALBERTA CLIPPER PROJECT is why does any landowner accept a utility company and sign a new easement agreement that was prepared only by the utility company whose only interests on that proposed easement agreement looks after the utility or energy companies interests and not the interests of the landowner whose name is on the land title?

On the Alberta Clipper project landowners got involved as a collective group, where able to have proper legal counsel (paid for by the energy company) to make up clauses on the new easement agreement that both parties signed and there was protection for future environmental impacts, a proper and better construction proceedures and land reclaimation.

Most landowners are busy and the land agents arrive (planned) when landowners are busy, short notice and shove a piece of paper with poor wording and printing in your face, drawn up by the energy or utility company Highlighting only the Compensation package and asking a landowner to sign.

Not signing----Right of Entry Order which informed landowners refer to this as **** AND PILLAGE ORDER can be served to acquire this land. This is not expropriation order because then the name on the title would change to the energy company and then the company would be on the hook for future cleanup and environmental issues.

Informed landowners are becoming more pro-active in learning and studying into these easement agreements. Some of these informed landowners have potential for inter-generational transfer of property.

We are seeing Albertan after Albertan come into this area and purchasing or trying to purchase land, block it up very trained and informed on their concern of not acquiring land with utility or energy corridors on their new property.

I had the privelige of spending 20 years in a veterinary business in east central Alberta and seeing all aspects of the oil patch come through the communities---the jobs, the sponsorships, the spinoffs and yes the concerns that ranchers had dealing with the invasion of pump-jacks on their lands.

Now I watch on agriville--the last couple of years was it bill 18, 24, 36 46 & 50 concerns to you Alberta Landowners and now the invasion of BIll 2 coming down your throats.

IT has become a fulltime job for many concerned landowners in Alberta and yes Saskatchewan to even to try and keep somewhat current on protecting ones property.

What ever ground landowners in Alberta loose in ALberta----I am really concerned on what the spin-offs will be in this province.

Just an early morning post--morning rant.