Ray to Grassfarmer ... RFID

[grassfarmer]

Here hopefully will appear some of Ray's pictures. I'll let him explain what they show.
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I would be interested in knowing the timeline on having the system up and running commercially, a ballpark cost of the system for say an auction mart situation. Also is there Government funding/backing behind this development in Australia or is it all free enterprise?

[grassfarmer]

Picture posting reminder:
Go to your photobucket library, select the picture you want then click(or Ctrl C)on the HTML code (3rd box down)for that picture and it will copy it . Then paste it into the Agriville box(Ctrl V). Seems to me that you need to type a word or two of text in the Agriville box before pasting the code in.
I couldn't get it to work on the MAC but it does with a PC.

[SADIE]

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My questions to you Ray.

Are we still talking an eartag?

Is the Manutfacturer Allflex?

What are the environmental Operating conditions?---What are the specs on the product you are using as far as operating conditions.

Our climate in Canada is much different than in Australia. Correct?

Is this product if it is an eartag is it plastic? If it is this type of product there is likely a washer in the center of the Male component that is then covered with plastic. That is the base for the pin that pierces the cartilage in the ear of the animal.

Have these products been tested in Canadian winters that the temp with a wind reaches much lower than 0C to 50 C conditions.

If it is not an eartag and an implant under the skin than I will start to take interest. If it is another type of plastic allflex style eartag than back to the same problems identified in the past. Short term tag only. Short term animal Id and traceability.

[RaySeidel]

Hello Sadie

I think you "should not" pierce either
of the two cartlige ribs in the ear
...but rather into the webbing between
these ribs.... I will double check this
for you.

Yes, the tags "like" those shown
"/1mg137 "in your "Bucket.

This "Button" concept is duplicated
world wide.

I starting to see how to use this
"Bucket thing"...it seems if I click on
the image you publish (as above) then I
can scan/roll/peek at ALL your other
images in this Bucket... I better remove
my holiday Bucket snapshots of the wife
and her sheep!!! (thanks GrassFarmer)

Concerning ISO 1175/84 compliance, these
documents are like a recipe for making
your own tag there are many companies
who make tags...

how they make them is their "look-out"
provided they comply with the basics.

However, here each tag type must be
"type approved" or you/us simply will
not be able to move/buy/sell beasts...

Concerning glass capsule implants, they
ok for dogs/cats/pets BUT implants into
cattle not allowed as if they break it
introduces splinters of glass into the
food chain.

Besides, at the Abattoir, it is
difficult to "find" these little glass
capsules... and doing so slows down the
"speed of commerce"

Also the ceramic Bolas RFID tags are not
favoured (in breeding bulls is ok but
not in industrial food chain meat)...
again hard to find in a carcass.

I think your concern relates to
temperature? ... do these Buttons stop
working outside the limits 0-50
degrees... (not sure this spread is an
ISO criteria, I will check for you)

At one psst time we put Tags in the
refrigerator to mimic the
"CanadianCold", pretty sure they kept
working well down below 0 degrees...I
will check... yes we shared your concern
on this.

We do know that temperature does "detune
all types of tags as the copper wire
shrinks/expands slightly to shift the
free running oscillator frequency (134.2
/- 3khz...I think)

We intend to employ three receiver
channels 132/1134/136 khz to catch these
off tune tags...this is a lesson we
learnt when pondering what causes "non-
reads"...you/others will benefit from
this.

Sadie, we do not make tags... we are
developing our own Readers and must deal
with what we are given or presented with
in the way of what's in the cows ear...
all a bit hard, but that's how it is.

Again, I just not sure about this "metal
washer business" show me one.
I think you are concerned about tags
falling out as well as tags not custom
made for Canada?

Use Bucket (but take care)

GrassFarmer, we are 2/3 in our
venture... our own money...our own
risk... we don't sleep well at night
however we are bravely confident...we
are a David up against Goliath's...bring
it on...

Oh, yes Sadie, I am typing in shorts
it's 32 degrees here... what is that
white stuff outside your window?

Kind Regards
Ray

[grassfarmer]

You make a good point about photo bucket Ray. This
site really is from the dark ages - half the time
pictures/videos don't show up and if they do then
your entire photobucket account is available to the
world. I removed the pictures accordingly - sorry.

I think Sadies point about the operating temperature
range 0-50C on the ISO is based on his belief that the
tags don't last/stay on when it is that cold. I don't
know if he has ever checked to see if what they really
mean is the RF part doesn't work outside that
temperature range. Did you ever check that Sadie?

[RaySeidel]

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[RaySeidel]

Sorry guys...just trying to implant this
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[RaySeidel]

Last try

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[RaySeidel]

if this fails lets draw pictures with
words....tried you procedure
GrassFarmer.

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[RaySeidel]

errr .....errrr

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