Safety around bulls

[furrowtickler]

Paul from Nufarm was there - 1st time in 10 years no one from BASF though - lol
What were thoughts on tour sask can ??

[Cowcrazy100]

grassfarmer - I get what you are saying but how do you train a bull? Does it have to be done when they are young? What training tactics can you do to get them to respect you and still be safe?

Btw that’s nuts about your experience in England. Just curious, what were you there for?

15444 Who is our Limo gal on here (remember I am a newbie to this chat forum) ;-)

[kato]

Could be me. We use Limo bulls on our Char heifers. We don't find them any different from other cattle, disposition wise. I think the breeders have worked hard on getting the trait out of the breed, and it's more of a stereotype than anything else.

Now, let's have a discussion about Angus cows. Lol. We've ended up with a few over the years, and have yet to come across one we would go into a pen with when she calved. Not sure if it's just the luck of the draw or not. We have never kept any daughters, so can't say if it's genetic. We will not be buying any more of them. Getting too old for the drama.

There's an Angus heifer out in the feedlot right now, come to think about it, who likes to think she can take on my German Shepherd. 92 run away, and 1 comes for the dog. We bought this sweetie this spring, and the feedlot is the proper place for her.

Let the bickering begin! Lol.

[Cowcrazy100]

Bingo!

Now I know who Limo gal is ;-)

This could get fun!

[saskcanfarmer]

It was all good. Always some good information and good networking to be had. I'm still calling kugler a "snake oil" until I see some true third party out of arms length data. Thou the science behind it may have some merit.

[grassfarmer]

As I said I "train" them merely by being around them on a daily basis and observing. Learn how much pressure animals can take before they move away from you. Start with a cow out in the field if you don't have the experience. Lots of places on the internet where you can watch Bud Williams style low stress livestock handling demonstrations.
I regularly load bulls into my stock trailer out in the pasture with 4 panels, a fence corner and some patience. It's a big time saver once you master it.

I grew up in Scotland and farmed there before moving to Alberta. We sold cattle occasionally at this auction in northern England as it was only 50 miles from us.

My Limo experience was all in the UK - can't speak for the Canadian variety. In the UK they were universally nuts. We had a quiet, gentle Limo bull and the calves were all lunatics, all runners and on occasion had yearling heifers and steers charge you if they were in a confined area.
I think it comes from selection for extreme leanness as the Salers, Blondes etc were little better. Salers were worse actually.

On the Angus cows I've only had reds since I came to Canada and on the whole they have had decent temperament . Saying that the biggest wreck I was ever in was when I got steamrolled by a recently calved red Angus. Lucky to get out of that one alive. I don't really blame her - she came from a cowboy outfit that had a big range permit in bear, wolf and cougar country and wasn't used to people close up on foot.
Other cows from that group were really quiet and gentle though so it wasn't all environmental.

[furrowtickler]

Lol - time will shove the snake down the hole I hope
We had 14 guys use it in canola and wheat with different rates - should have a ton of good data for this falls meeting - most will be 'third party numbers' and most of those guys will be there to discuss results .
We will be following our data up with all tissue samples taken so far along with protein , disease and yeild .

[furrowtickler]

We will have feedback from Turtleford, Whitkow, Cutknife , Wilkie, Maidstone and east out to Simonds plus the local area

[saskcanfarmer]

That's exactly what I'll need to hear. Excited to hear the results. Like I said the science makes some sense but no/limited data to support it. How big of an area do you have rights to for the product?

[Cowcrazy100]

Thanks grassfarmer! I will be sure to check out Bud Williams demo videos. Will let you know if I have any more specific questions after that.

That’s really neat about Scotland. What made you want to move to Alberta, Canada and raise cattle? And what is your set up like now? How many cows to you run? I am assuming you are cow-calf right?