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May 2, 2007 | 20:50 1 well willowcreek came a live again
he only knows when canada reports a b-s-e case .
what happend in the u-s-a no reporting of new b s e !
this one in b-c canada is of normal happening and never ended up in the foodchain ,so our testing is of the best in the world . Reply With Quote
May 2, 2007 | 21:47 2 Except for the 100's of infected ones that go to slaughter that are not yet showing symptoms or effects...

jerry-- with all the ones you've found do you really believe that their aren't infected ones that have slipped into your foodchain, since you don't test all?

Many down south here would not prefer to have that added risk put into our meat supply-- or at the very least have it labeled to the Country of Origin so we can make the choice.... Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar May 3, 2007 | 07:37 3 Galesburg, ND

CURRENT FERTILIZER PRICES: NH3 $550./TN UREA $440/TN 28-0-0 $300/TN MAP $440/TN 10-34-0 $360/TN 0-0-60 $250/TN 21-0-0-24 $240/TN CASH PAY PRICE

2007 Spring Fertilizer Prices 04/30/2007 8:25:39 AM

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2007 SPRING FERTILIZER PRICES

PRODUCT PRICE/LB PRICE/TON


UREA 46-0-0 $0.483 $444.00


NH3 82-0-0 $0.302 $495.00


MAP 11-52-0 $0.460 $478.00


POTASH 0-0-60 $0.221 $265.00


UAN 32-0-0 $0.540 $345.60


UAN 28-0-0 $0.440 $302.40 Reply With Quote
May 3, 2007 | 08:00 4 You'd much rather eat the hundreds of infected US cows, OT? Does it really matter if its a US infected cow or a Canadian infected cow? <chuckle> You R-Quackers will think of anything to maintain your protectionist crap.

Rod Reply With Quote
May 3, 2007 | 08:18 5 I have phoned my MP and also Strahl`s office. Reply With Quote
Ron
May 3, 2007 | 09:48 6 phoned both offices, they will get back to me.
Makes more sense to bitch to them than everybody at the coffee shop. Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar May 3, 2007 | 09:49 7 Excellent I too have phoned my MP Not Useless Ralph Goodale but a Conservitive MP and my MLA not a useless NDP but a Saskparty MLA.

I hope everyone else does the same. This is just plain wrong. Wrong Wrong. Reply With Quote
May 3, 2007 | 10:10 8 No matter if we have 1 or 100 in the US- why would we want to take a bunch more and raise the risk factor?-- thats just idiotic.....

Canada needs to test all until they can show their feedban is definitely working. They've already admitted and shown that the old feedban did not work- now they need to try and enforce this new July feedban and see if it will work...

One thing about Canuck BSE- every time the news gets a little dull on the websites, you can count on the bimonthly POST feedban positive to stir things up..LOL

And USDA is saying that could happen for the next 20 years.... Reply With Quote
May 3, 2007 | 10:38 9 Saskfarmer3,

We simply do not have competition or laws that have any teeth... the US has much stronger legal and precedent that disciplines business and property rights there.

Liberal/NDP theology of tax and grab... plus the colonial treatment of the "outer reaches" of Canada... all add up to the "special treatment" growers... especially grain growers are treated to in the "designated area".

We don't help by sending Left Wing Communists to the CFA that the centralists can use at their beaconed whim to keep us in our place! If the words "Property Rights" are mentioned... their eyes glaze over

It realy is all about the colonial "Command and Control" economy... gov'ts take all they can... and only give back what they feel they must... determined by the ballot box.

What % of the population are grain farmers... and how important are they?

Just think about the negative kickback the Conservatives are hammered with; by reinsituting property rights over the CWB Monopoly in the "Designated Area".

SM5 is taking them to the cleaners... for just being Conservatives and talking about "Property Rights"!

We all should know... monopolies create more monopolies; the base CDN legal system that will allow the CWB/SM5, allows the same concentration in other areas of our AG society.

Consitutionally... Federal Income tax on the individual person never was voted on by the people of Canada and properly enacted, it is technically a federal breach as is the GST...

Simply: a JUdge said the Canadian Gov. "Couldn't" survive without these taxes... and placed them under "Peace, order, and good government" Consitutional Clause as acceptable.

Obviously the majority of Canadians agree... as do the majority of MP's in Ottawa.

Why do you think we don't enforce the "Canadian Bill of Rights"?

My Rant for the day! Reply With Quote
May 3, 2007 | 12:57 10 I can't help but wonder what would happen if the US tested all or even as big a percentage of their 'at risk' stuff as Canadians do. Without losing the results. Reply With Quote
wd9
May 3, 2007 | 20:00 11 Sure, now you guys all of a sudden don't want an open and free market. What is your MP supposed to do? Regulate the inputs market? Reply With Quote
May 3, 2007 | 21:04 12 posted May 3, 2007 12:57
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I can't help but wonder what would happen if the US tested all or even as big a percentage of their 'at risk' stuff as Canadians do. Without losing the results.

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smithy- probably should have been done/should be happening- but as long as you've sold out lock, stock, and barrel to the multinationals, you'all north of the 49th are all small potatoes- and expendable-- and they'll protect their big interests first-- until they get access to and their hands on the cheaper Argentine and Brazilian product...At which time they'll dump us both if things aren't going right!!!

The reason both countries need M-COOL now......... Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar May 4, 2007 | 07:19 13 WD are you just plain stupid.
In a open free market their wouldn't be a difference between one side of the border and the other.
Their is something with the Canadian system that's wrong on this one.
In a open system I could redirect the truck leaving belleplain to head east instead of south and then just send the check to the guy south instead of local. Reply With Quote
May 4, 2007 | 10:17 14 Saskfarmer, thanks for keeping this issue alive.

WD9, Saskfarmer is right in a properly functioning open market prices are allowed to arbitrage. Yet by talking to my dealer earlier, he told me he tried to book all he would need for this spring last fall, his best deal by a long shot was sourcing from a US dealer, who was sourcing from Brandon.But the fert had to be shipped from Brandon to the US then back, but because of some kind of screwy transportation law he couldn't do it.

That's his story, whether it's right or not? who knows?

Irregardless we are being gouged. And WD9 without competitive disciplines the open market looses it's appeal.

As staunch of an advocate for the open market as I am, this NH3 market is giving the open market a black eye.

I know open markets, and the Canadian Fertilizer Industry ain't functioning like one at all.

No, I don't want to regulate the market, but they sure are inviting that outcome by overcharging with no good reason. Wouldn't you agree? Reply With Quote
May 4, 2007 | 10:26 15 wd9, You have made a GOOD point with your comment. It is exactly the problem. These guy, agri-business people are all connected, in lots of cases they are major grain companies selling inputs fertilizer etc, and gouging us. These guys are our FRIENDS!
What I find that is totally out of wack, is the fact that a farmer organization the cwb, directed and operated by farmers, is in fact being torn apart and dismantled by farmers. All in the name of positive progress, lets turn it all over to the private sector they'll fix things for us, the open market, grain companies, railroads, brokers, machine companies, banks, fuel suppliers, government ag departments, and their research buddies. Just like the breaking up of Co-ops across the country, and deregulation, once the business is up and running, assets are in place, the private sector moves in and scoops up the good stuff, telling us how well they can run the business so much better. Guess what? Service levels drop and prices go up and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it, once its gone, its gone, then let the whinning and sniveling begin. Where is the gov't they should do something about these high prices. You know what they'll do, study the hell out of the problem, for a long, long, long, time, then maybe it will go away or people will lose interest!!! Gouging plain and simple is the order of the day, in this case. Reply With Quote
May 4, 2007 | 10:41 16 tomcwb

dont you think it is a bit of a stretch to blame the ndp for price fixing of big bussiness.
of course their big business freindly attitude is to blame.

the conservitives and liberals have been in power in ottawa since canada began. Any blame for weak competition laws rests with them.

I would commend the stance of con. MPs on the OUI debate . But remember it was Mulroney that gave away the farm to the chemical companys in the first place.


free trade was designed so that big business could move money jobs products and factories around and out muscle local competition.
once that is done , they can do whatever they damn well please. Reply With Quote
wd9
May 4, 2007 | 13:22 17 SF3, ouch. Some would say as much as the day is long but I digress.

When you say 'something', what is that something? What exactly is wrong with the system that MP's and MLA's can do?

I can't tell my MP to do something and hope to have something fixed and expect a positive result. Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER3's Avatar May 4, 2007 | 13:41 18 Whats ticking me off WD is that farmers are just laying down and dying and not standing up and doing something about it.
This is plain highway robbery. Reply With Quote
May 4, 2007 | 14:28 19 The MP's are too busy debating whether or not Shane Doan should be wearing the captains C for team Canada to be bothered with something like the price of fertlizer. Reply With Quote
wd9
May 4, 2007 | 14:28 20 What is the something you suggest? Reply With Quote
May 4, 2007 | 17:10 21 Canadian Fertilizer Institute Annual Conference will be held from August 13-15, 2007 at the Fairmont Banff Springs, Banff, AB

www.cfi.ca

Parsley Reply With Quote
May 4, 2007 | 17:15 22 Right on Saskfarmer and sewen, In regards to the hockey thing what a complete joke, but anything to appease the Quebec population, my how nothing has changed since the last election, it's freakin embarrassing hopefully people in other countries don't watch cpac and missed this embarrassment. We have troops risking their lives over seas and have little or no debate but sit and go through this joke. Good thing those idiots in our capital don't here all the things said during hockey games the nation would come to a standstill.
In regards to input prices, it's time for our new federal government to start showing they actually understand what is going on. Where the hell are all of those Conservative MP's, who had all those big ideas of improving the farm situation. OOPS i'm sorry I forgot, if you want a majority government you must have in government MP's that have no tongue and no brain out west, so we can feel a part of the government of Canada. Reply With Quote
May 4, 2007 | 17:23 23 Go to:

http://www.cfpf-fcpf.ca/

Look at their Mission Statement, and in particular #3.

Direct feedback from farmers should be able to have some impact here.

Parsley Reply With Quote
wd9
May 4, 2007 | 23:04 24 They are charging what the market will bare. We pay it so where is the problem? Price is OK because we all are fertilizing like we did last year.

Same thing with $6.50 a pound canola seed. Who is in the wrong, the company that charges for it or the farmer that buys it - and it is usually the first one sold. Sounds like an open market in action. It doesn't have to be fair, just open.

Market signal therefore is charge more because the volume hasn't decreased. In fact the most expensive canola seed is bought before the last crop is even combined.

Mission statement of CFPF #3: Plan for the future by analyzing emerging opportunities, new technologies and strategies on how agricultural producers can remain competitive.

Competitive doesn't mean profitable.

What is your MP supposed to do? Are there import regulations that hamper access? Transportation act issues? Hazardous goods cross-border issues? I have not researched the regs at all, what are the issues? Reply With Quote
ColevilleH2S's Avatar May 4, 2007 | 23:06 25 Competitve? Thats a laugh I just paid $75USD/tonne more than the price quoted at the top of this thread for 11-52-0. A guy could truck that stuff from North Dakota to the Peace River and back to my farm for less than that.

Anyone read the front page of the last last Western Producer. PMRA is trying to pull the same shortage scare with pesticides. I have yet to see any mention of this "shortage" in any posting on the US ag sites. The tighter they can keep that boarder shut the easier it is for them to have their way with us.
"divide and conquer" (Just thought I'd throw that in for dramatic effect) Reply With Quote
May 5, 2007 | 09:26 26 glyphosate prices, low end or wherever are going up, based on elasticity of demand....get yours now for the whole season..we filled the shed already to make sure....higher prices will curb demand to balance the equation....and before you start the conspiracy theory rant the same economic principle is what will bring about the rebound in our commodities that we sell...ala feed and peas and others

thanks SKfmr for keeping the heat on the topic...wd9...YOU ARE RIGHT THE BUYING GOES ONE AT THESE HIGH PRICES....but what percentage of volume will be done at these high margins....

we are not effectively arbritraging the price across the border, ours and the US and the continent and the rest of the world when it comes to nitrogen.and other ferts...all most all global new production of nitrogen in the last many years have been offshore....reason is cheap energy both gas and power...and that will not change.....

as buyers we must look forward for solutions...we must plan six to eight months ahead to secure off shore urea to arbritrage this market...we need to have on farm storage and even blending capability...trackside where feasible....

we need to be able to get fert inland to Canada without using the mississipi and new orleans ports...no fert comes from the west coast that I know of....this has all changed with the bursted gas bubble and higher electricity cost....

if they are planning or building LNG(liquid nat gas) unload facilties on our west and east coasts that should tell you something...and as others have suggested, and we are doing on our farm, we have increased our pulse acres, feed more cows on forage/grass and are using our cows to spread the fert around....certainly not the total solution for the large landbase of our farm operates on and i still search other solutions

we should complain to our politicians, but complaning without a strategy for the solution will lead us no where...my thought is this ....the basic transportation infrastructure for western Canada is rail and highway for the movement of bulk commodities...improvements of this to bring about more competitive and cost efficient two way movement of commodities is a public good and the govts should have a role in development of policy for this.....an example of this is the value the US govt brought to the plains of the Midwest and the key industrial and ag regions with the dredging and subsequent development of the Mississipi river....the Army crop of engineers was involved I believe....

there was an intersting story in the seducer about hoppered containers...this may hold promise for both crops and fert to be moved....we have brand new container port being built in Rupert...the best deep sea port on the west coast...and my question will the high speed intermodal trains even stop on the Prairies before they hit Chicago?

too much rain....too much time to think...good luck all! Reply With Quote
May 5, 2007 | 15:57 27 Free enterprise in the farming inputs industry? One of the above posters has it right wrgs to PMRA and their crop life chem. lobby group teaming up to end own use for chemicals. I can see the reason for higher fertilizer prices if there actually is a shortage, but the chemical side is blatent government sanctioned manipulation. There are many generic herbicides (especially ones for wild oats) that are used in the states, and will not be allowed into Canada for years to come if this goes through. Just to put it in perspective... You can buy generic medication/drugs from your drug store after the patent has expired, why should farm chemicals be any different? Is PMRA not doing their job? Thats big bucks out of your pocket. This is a serious threat to the long term profitibiliy to farming. Call & write your M.P. and MLA - I did. Reply With Quote
May 5, 2007 | 16:48 28 So was anyone here affected last week when a "phonecall" was made to Transport Canada shutting down farmers along the US border who where bringing nh3 across with US tanks which where not TC certified?
I find this pretty outrageous when a guy is able to save in some cases $200/tonne on his nh3 and then the local nh3 supplier doesnt like it and makes a call and shuts the border on a technicality. Reply With Quote
wd9
May 5, 2007 | 18:54 29 There is, but what is the technicality? Is there a reg preventing it and if so what is it and under which agency?

Nicolaas, you should start another thread on the Ppip issue as it warrants a discussion of its own for sure. Reply With Quote
May 6, 2007 | 08:59 30 The technicality has nothing to do with the nh3 itself but with the US tank/wagons which are certified by the D.O.T. in the US but not by Transport Canada. Reply With Quote