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Jun 2, 2023 | 07:01
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Just a few questions about spraying canola. It hasn't been part of a regular rotation on this farm. Things have changed.
1. does a guy have to spray 1.6 litres per acre of liberty ? When it first came out wasn't it 0.8 of a litre?
2. Do you automatically throw in the insecticide for hoppers and beetles?
3. Are you guys adding in a grass spray was well?
4. How many passes of liberty?
This year is a little different , weeds are actively growing. Moisture is OK , still on the dry side.
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Jun 2, 2023 | 07:18
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 Originally Posted by bucket
Just a few questions about spraying canola. It hasn't been part of a regular rotation on this farm. Things have changed.
1. does a guy have to spray 1.6 litres per acre of liberty ? When it first came out wasn't it 0.8 of a litre?
2. Do you automatically throw in the insecticide for hoppers and beetles?
3. Are you guys adding in a grass spray was well?
4. How many passes of liberty?
This year is a little different , weeds are actively growing. Moisture is OK , still on the dry side.
1) 1st pass 1.35l followed by 2nd pass 1.62l or 1 pass total 1.62l depending on weed preasure and flushes.
2) No spray for situational pressures, save your money and health if unwarranted
3) Yes 100% but we have wild oats here. Liberty is poor on grasses.
4) It's a 1 pass or 2 pass system depending on preasure.
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Jun 2, 2023 | 07:20
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Originally Posted by bucket
Just a few questions about spraying canola. It hasn't been part of a regular rotation on this farm. Things have changed.
1. does a guy have to spray 1.6 litres per acre of liberty ? When it first came out wasn't it 0.8 of a litre?
2. Do you automatically throw in the insecticide for hoppers and beetles?
3. Are you guys adding in a grass spray was well?
4. How many passes of liberty?
This year is a little different , weeds are actively growing. Moisture is OK , still on the dry side.
1. Personally I find it works more consistently at 1.6. 1.1 or less is a waste of time and fuel in my opinion.
2. Never use insecticide unless absolutely necessary. Always do it in a separate pass if required.
3. Usually add grass spray in first pass.
4. Depends on the year and the weeds. If wild oats present usually 2 passes of 1.6. Trying some generic Liberty this year, $2 a litre cheaper at present. See how it works.
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Jun 2, 2023 | 07:28
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Does a guy add in the micro nutrients, boron, G22, Alpine to prevent any flashing?
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Jun 2, 2023 | 07:32
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Originally Posted by bucket
Just a few questions about spraying canola. It hasn't been part of a regular rotation on this farm. Things have changed.
1. does a guy have to spray 1.6 litres per acre of liberty ? When it first came out wasn't it 0.8 of a litre?
2. Do you automatically throw in the insecticide for hoppers and beetles?
3. Are you guys adding in a grass spray was well?
4. How many passes of liberty?
This year is a little different , weeds are actively growing. Moisture is OK , still on the dry side.
1. I dont recall 0.8, standard rate was always⁷ 1.33l, if its hot and sunny the standard rate will work well.
2. Maybe once in 15 years, on small drought stricken plants. If they aren't stressed beatles can't keep up.
3. If grass is bad I chuck it in, if hot and sunny and all the grass is smoked in 3 days you probably wasted money.
4. Depends, most the time you are probably upside down ROI on a second pass, but if you see a sencond flush of something I would.
In the US I think its on the label to chuck in AMS to improve efficacy. Never tried it, if hot and sunny I've never had a problem. If cool temps better off waiting if you can and remember its a contact herbi, you need good coverage. I use a twin number 15 teejet and 50-60 psi. Trying a product called interlock this year with the glufonisate, supposed to reduce evaporation od the fines, reduce drift and improve contact. Girl says it provides great results, will see.
Last edited by biglentil; Jun 2, 2023 at 07:42.
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Jun 2, 2023 | 07:41
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Originally Posted by bucket
Does a guy add in the micro nutrients, boron, G22, Alpine to prevent any flashing?
emerging canola likes boron in the soil so pre planting or at flowering or tissue damage. Phos with fulvic acid is the answer for flash
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Jun 2, 2023 | 12:18
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Originally Posted by biglentil
1. I dont recall 0.8, standard rate was always⁷ 1.33l, if its hot and sunny the standard rate will work well.
2. Maybe once in 15 years, on small drought stricken plants. If they aren't stressed beatles can't keep up.
3. If grass is bad I chuck it in, if hot and sunny and all the grass is smoked in 3 days you probably wasted money.
4. Depends, most the time you are probably upside down ROI on a second pass, but if you see a sencond flush of something I would.
In the US I think its on the label to chuck in AMS to improve efficacy. Never tried it, if hot and sunny I've never had a problem. If cool temps better off waiting if you can and remember its a contact herbi, you need good coverage. I use a twin number 15 teejet and 50-60 psi. Trying a product called interlock this year with the glufonisate, supposed to reduce evaporation od the fines, reduce drift and improve contact. Girl says it provides great results, will see.
Interlock helps some but not the complete answer. It is a little pricey.
I am going to try valid this year. It is cheaper and you get an antifoamer for the same price.
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Jun 2, 2023 | 15:18
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Valid works
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Jun 2, 2023 | 20:00
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Surfact-on also.
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Jun 2, 2023 | 20:11
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1st pass I usually go with 1.6L of Liberty with Centurian or equivalent.
2nd pass 1.35L of Liberty, Centurion if needed
We use a minimum of 10 gal/acre.
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Jun 2, 2023 | 22:16
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Originally Posted by Sodbuster
1st pass I usually go with 1.6L of Liberty with Centurian or equivalent.
2nd pass 1.35L of Liberty, Centurion if needed
We use a minimum of 10 gal/acre.
Same here
Hot day
Has worked well
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Jun 2, 2023 | 23:20
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We bought a bunch of liberty from Johnsons last January, will let you know in the coming weeks how effective it is. After going to the one pass Liberty system shit show last year we made sure to secure early. If the weather cooperates hope to do all our canola starting Monday.
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Jun 3, 2023 | 06:09
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Originally Posted by Sodbuster
We bought a bunch of liberty from Johnsons last January, will let you know in the coming weeks how effective it is. After going to the one pass Liberty system shit show last year we made sure to secure early. If the weather cooperates hope to do all our canola starting Monday.
Same here, all RR first shot done , now get one going on liberty and the other can finish wheat this week coming up
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Jun 3, 2023 | 09:38
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Originally Posted by Sodbuster
We bought a bunch of liberty from Johnsons last January, will let you know in the coming weeks how effective it is. After going to the one pass Liberty system shit show last year we made sure to secure early. If the weather cooperates hope to do all our canola starting Monday.
Works exactly the same as the expensive stuff
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Jun 3, 2023 | 10:49
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When BASF announced that they were increasing the Liberty price by 20% last fall it was a a
easy decision to buy generic.
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Jun 3, 2023 | 16:38
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I guess I am the odd ball.
1.6 one pass.
The way it works for me is to wait until the canola is big enough to be competitive.
The liberty knocks everything down and the canola take over.
For this to work your fields have to be fairly clean because if there is heavy weed pressure early you have to spray early.
I have never put grass killer in and have never needed to. I don’t have many wild oats and volunteer cereals are mainly only on the outside border. If grass weeds do get ahead I will spray the outside border.
I won’t buy Centurion. I never worked good here when it was called Select and I don’t think changing the name made it worked any better.
As far as spraying twice. I find it hard enough getting over the fields once let a lone twice.
Tramping canola down once into the mud it might grow back and fill in but do it twice and those ruts will be black all summer.
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Jun 3, 2023 | 21:00
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I remember the .8 rate.
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Jun 3, 2023 | 21:49
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I had a neighbour ask if we use centurion both passes of interline ( upl 's liberty) and i asked why anyone would ever do that? If you have such grassy problems just separate the grass pass from liberty. Chlethodim ( centurion) is a fantastic chem on its own..but the liberty burns the leaf too quickly and really reduces the clethodim efficacy ( same reason we cant spray liberty/ lontrel together). If you are 2 passing liberty then go with centurion and 2nd pass assure. 2 different modes of action atleast in same chem group and will help reduce any wild oat resistance buildup.
Plus assure smokes foxtail barley ( if you have) and it sort of just chuckles at centurion.
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Jun 3, 2023 | 22:06
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Originally Posted by wiseguy
Furrow ( coach ) what's you using for broad leaf chemical for wheat ?
Best bang for the buck ?
We are using Tridem this year . Seems decent so far on the first 1/3 of wheat sprayed .
No crop flash , not a fan of group 2 grass control but so far seems ok .
Will know more in a week or so
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Jun 4, 2023 | 07:22
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Originally Posted by wiseguy
Furrow ( coach ) what's you using for broad leaf chemical for wheat ?
Best bang for the buck ?
Seems to be working very well and zero crop injury
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Jun 4, 2023 | 08:09
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1.08 was the second pass recommendation iirc, not .8.
I use 1.35 rate with facet. Kills cleavers dead. No need for 1.6 rate with that. Will use centurion on barley stubble or if grassy weeds are really bad.
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Jun 13, 2023 | 16:20
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What’s hot for kochia in durum?
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Jun 13, 2023 | 17:42
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Originally Posted by sumdumguy
What’s hot for kochia in durum?
Fluroxypyr
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Jun 13, 2023 | 18:22
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Originally Posted by sumdumguy
What’s hot for kochia in durum?
Authority in the fall. Kinda giving up for in crop kochia for durum. Kochia is a biological problem not a chemical problem.
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Jun 14, 2023 | 08:29
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Originally Posted by TASFarms
Authority in the fall. Kinda giving up for in crop kochia for durum. Kochia is a biological problem not a chemical problem.
Ive used Authority before with good results but has a 12 month recropping restriction on canola and a 24 month recropping restriction on lentils.
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Jun 14, 2023 | 09:56
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Originally Posted by biglentil
Ive used Authority before with good results but has a 12 month recropping restriction on canola and a 24 month recropping restriction on lentils.
Is that dependent on organic or PH numbers?
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Jun 14, 2023 | 10:32
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High rate durum 12month restriction as well.
 
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Jun 16, 2023 | 07:43
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Originally Posted by sumdumguy
What’s hot for kochia in durum?
Occtain works well in durum at 4 leaf and beyond
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Jun 16, 2023 | 09:29
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Lots of Kochia never gets sprayed, that sneaky shit doesn't germ until late after spraying when everybody has gone fishing.
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Jun 16, 2023 | 09:32
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And wind storms tumbling that crap over the road and fence from the neighbors doesn't help either !
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