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May 10, 2023 | 10:02
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Interesting that the Edson Hospital is reopened today… but may have to be evacuated again next weekend.
The peat bogs are a complete nightmare…. Except for Evansberg the power infrastructure is mostly in tact… Edson supplies Hinton and Jasper electricity.
Concrete or steel power poles should be mandatory. This becomes even more critical as everything becomes electrocuted… it is suicidal to not have fossil fuels power emergency equipment.
My sister is tending many neighbors livestock and farmsteads… the private fire fighters saved $100’s of Millions of losses… generally the voluntary fire fighters were allowed to work when they had the resources to fight the fires.
The ashes are a huge problem… they can be live fire and travel for miles if the wind is blowing and humidity is low.
Edson airport is the alternative for Edmonton if it gets bombed… so has very good infrastructure to support the air water bombers.
Alberta is very short on air fire fighting equipment… Quebec is lending us equipment now.
The crack druggies are a big problem with farm equipment theft… parking doing campfires… stealing copper from oil and gas facilities and farms.
Our crazy civilization is going on drugs and has no ethical backstop… God help us if the new green deal actually gets implemented.
Praying for rain, mercy, and wisdom for all those in danger… Victims and all fighting this unending battle… fire , drought…and peat bogs are a recipe for pain, suffering and the perfect inferno conditions.
Blessings, Praying for safety, mercy and grace… they got about a quarter of an inch of rain… which won’t last long… God have mercy on us!
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May 10, 2023 | 10:54
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Praying for rain for all of Alberta Tom, feel for you
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May 10, 2023 | 17:53
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 Originally Posted by cropgrower
purely obsessed with Danelle Smyth , likely dreaming about her every night !
This is progress. Remember when he used to be obsessed with Donald Trump, and before that with Stephen Harper?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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May 10, 2023 | 18:21
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in fairness she is far better looking than the other option Rachel ! pastor Art calls Rachel the wicked witch of the west ! recently watched a vid of CBC giving him an interview just after his last time in court , was very intertaining , dont think CBC published much of what he said tho !
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May 10, 2023 | 18:31
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Why does it matter what they look like.
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May 10, 2023 | 19:24
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Originally Posted by Blaithin
Why does it matter what they look like.
That is an excellent question for all of the media and voters who have been fawning over Trudeau all these years.
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May 10, 2023 | 19:43
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It could also be directed to those who criticize his looks…
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May 11, 2023 | 07:15
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So I see nobody came up with an answer to my questions. Instead we get the usual juvenile distractions.
It must be a fun and interesting job running an Alberta county when a significant portion of the residents don't believe governments have any authority! LOL
And Danny Smith nor any other politicians are talking about taking away mandatory evacuation powers in the face of fire or floods in Emergency Management Act.
So that shows that the fringe view that governments don't have the authority to enforce mandatory evacuations in the interest of public safety doesn't have any significant support.
One county official on the news said they can let residents go back to some communities, but if things take a turn for the worse there is no guarantee they will be able to provide rescue or fire fighting resources in every community.
And if the worst happens and some people lose their lives authorities will probably be blamed for not doing enough.
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May 11, 2023 | 08:00
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
And if the worst happens and some people lose their lives authorities will probably be blamed for not doing enough.
Now there is something we can agree on. Those decision makers have a very thankless job, with everything on the line. And when something inevitably goes wrong, they will be blamed no matter what outcome and which decision they took. It is easy to be Monday morning quarterback when we aren't the ones who will be blamed if someone dies.
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May 11, 2023 | 08:15
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
So I see nobody came up with an answer to my questions. Instead we get the usual juvenile distractions.
Did you ask questions? All I see is you popping in with a handful of posts that seem entirely rhetorical in a crowd of people that you have trained to ignore you.
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May 11, 2023 | 14:00
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Originally Posted by Blaithin
Did you ask questions? All I see is you popping in with a handful of posts that seem entirely rhetorical in a crowd of people that you have trained to ignore you.
That is the post of the month! Good job
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May 12, 2023 | 07:42
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I sure get a lot of responses and push back for a guy being ignored! LOL
The evacuees in some counties west of Edmonton won't be going back home untill at least a week because the fires are not under control and hot a dry weather is returning. Residents will justifiably be unhappy.
But residents elect their county councilors and reeves from the communities they serve and the counties are the ones that are declaring states of emergencies and mandatory evacuations.
So if the mandatory evacuations aren't needed, why are the councilors and reeves from the very communities supporting them?
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May 12, 2023 | 08:09
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have you any new report on Danny for us ?
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May 12, 2023 | 10:49
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Originally Posted by cropgrower
have you any new report on Danny for us ?
Some of the evacuees are blaming the provincial and county governments for not providing enough fire fighting resources. No surprise there. There is never enough in a crisis.
Its gotta be the UCPs and Danny Smith's fault don't you think?
That wont be good for Danny's election hopes. But since Calgary is not on fire maybe it wont matter.
So what is wrong with all those county reeves and councilors who don't agree with the anti government types who don't support mandatory evacuations and emergency maesures?
Where is the anti government revolution so many of you talk about and want in rural Alberta?
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May 12, 2023 | 11:03
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Originally Posted by cropgrower
have you any new report on Danny for us ?
Perhaps he has taken his obsession of the premier to a whole new level of stalking. Did anyone recognize Chuck's face amongst the protesters who crashed Danielle Smith's speech yesterday?
Because I would really be jealous if he came all the way to Alberta to stalk the premier, and didn't even stop by to stalk me in person. We were rained out after all, I had the time.
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May 12, 2023 | 14:01
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But you still haven't answered the question. Probably because you know that the libertarian view of evacuations doesn't cut it. Even in rural Alberta.
So if the mandatory evacuations aren't needed, why are the councilors and reeves from the very communities supporting them?
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May 12, 2023 | 14:16
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
But you still haven't answered the question. Probably because you know that the libertarian view of evacuations doesn't cut it. Even in rural Alberta.
So if the mandatory evacuations aren't needed, why are the councilors and reeves from the very communities supporting them?
To cover their asses so they don’t get sued by someone who’s an idiot and claims they weren’t told how serious the issue is.
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May 12, 2023 | 14:51
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For the 85-90% of emergency workers who use a little common sense… thanks for your : patience, help, dedication, and sacrifice.
We are blessed to have spirited passionate people who do care and are humble enough to know when those who are themselves sacrificing to provide backup and very needed resources …. In extremely difficult situations.
God Bless Alberta…. Many did get enough rain to green the grass and trees… we are thankful for these blessings!
Cheers
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May 12, 2023 | 15:37
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Originally Posted by Blaithin
To cover their asses so they don’t get sued by someone who’s an idiot and claims they weren’t told how serious the issue is.
Blaithin, that's a pretty cynical view of your fellow citizens and county councilors!
The only reason they support mandatory evacuations is they don't want to be sued? Huh? You would say that in a public meeting?
You don't think that they might also think public safety might be a good reason?
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May 12, 2023 | 15:58
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Blaithin, that's a pretty cynical view of your fellow citizens and county councilors!
The only reason they support mandatory evacuations is they don't want to be sued? Huh? You would say that in a public meeting?
You don't think that they might also think public safety might be a good reason?
A county councillor is a politician. They’ll say whatever they think people want them to say, and do whatever they have to do to cover their asses.
Cynical, sure. Realistic, also sure.
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May 12, 2023 | 16:17
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Just like many of the rural Alberta citizens they represent! Self interest first. Public safety second.
In Saskatchewan public safety takes priority. Its the legacy of our grandparents generation.
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May 12, 2023 | 16:30
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Just like many of the rural Alberta citizens they represent! Self interest first. Public safety second.
In Saskatchewan public safety takes priority. Its the legacy of our grandparents generation.
Do you feel most people are not predominantly out for themselves/their small inner circle?
Or you just feel urban residents are giving and caring while us rural counterparts are purely self motivated?
When does an individual become “private” instead of “public”. Their homes? Yards? Who is a private citizen with private safety.
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May 12, 2023 | 16:47
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CC:
Your argumentative attitude certainly has an unfortunate impact… trust is earned… words are cheap.Arrogant Power plays are difficult to miss.
People with genuine sacrificial actions speak magnitudes more. Pain and suffering are potent motivation for the passionate who care.
Blessings and Prayers.
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May 12, 2023 | 17:40
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Originally Posted by Blaithin
Do you feel most people are not predominantly out for themselves/their small inner circle?
Or you just feel urban residents are giving and caring while us rural counterparts are purely self motivated?
When does an individual become “private” instead of “public”. Their homes? Yards? Who is a private citizen with private safety.
Ask your county councilors. Let us know what they say.
This really isn't such a difficult decision is it? Out of control fire is threatening. We/you cant stop it from coming into your yard or town. And Jeez maybe we should evacuate those in danger if there is no hope of containing the fire?
Are you going to call up your local reeve and councilor and discuss it for a couple of hours while the flames get closer?
Good Luck!
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May 12, 2023 | 17:46
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Ask your county councilors. Let us know what they say.
This really isn't such a difficult decision is it? Out of control fire is threatening. We/you cant stop it from coming into your yard or town. And Jeez maybe we should evacuate those in danger if there is no hope of containing the fire?
Are you going to call up your local reeve and councilor and discuss it for a couple of hours while the flames get closer?
Good Luck!
I’m asking you because you’re the one here saying it.
Well let’s see… my landlord is my councillor. My house and yard is his property. He does have the ability to stop a fire from getting to my yard by creating a firebreak. I’m sure he would be doing the exact same for his yard.
Any other questions? Or you want me to call him up while he’s seeding and see what he would do if we lived in a forest?
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May 12, 2023 | 17:51
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Here’s an example from last fall when it was hot and fires were popping up everywhere. They had all their equipment ready and easily accessible to go.
Perhaps I should let them know that someone on the internet says they shouldn’t bother because they aren’t trained professionals. It’s best to wait for the (volunteer) department to get there.
This photo is take from the end of my driveway, immediately across from my yard. They also brought the equipment across the road when they did my quarter. Just in case you’re going to say they wouldn’t bother with my yard.
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May 12, 2023 | 17:53
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If you can safely stop the fire from coming into your yard or town by all means go for it.
Why wouldn't the County allow this?
But aren't we talking about evacuations where the county has decided that evacuation is the prudent and safest thing to do? Otherwise why would they evacuate?
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May 12, 2023 | 17:56
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Originally Posted by Blaithin
Here’s an example from last fall when it was hot and fires were popping up everywhere. They had all their equipment ready and easily accessible to go.
Perhaps I should let them know that someone on the internet says they shouldn’t bother because they aren’t trained professionals. It’s best to wait for the (volunteer) department to get there.
This photo is take from the end of my driveway, immediately across from my yard. They also brought the equipment across the road when they did my quarter. Just in case you’re going to say they wouldn’t bother with my yard.
Fire prevention and having equipment in the field is a great idea on the farm. We do that ourselves. Field fires are not usually as risky as forest fires though.
In a forest its not quite that simple when an out of control fire is raging your way. Aren't most of the evacuations in semi forested or forested parts of the counties?
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May 12, 2023 | 18:01
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
If you can safely stop the fire from coming into your yard or town by all means go for it.
Why wouldn't the County allow this?
But aren't we talking about evacuations where the county has decided that evacuation is the prudent and safest thing to do? Otherwise why would they evacuate?
Are they not turning people away from coming in to help make fire breaks?
Are you not saying people MUST be forced to leave and are not allowed to use their discretion to stay and try and protect their property.
You’re saying as soon as a county decides the risk is too great, it now trumps each individuals ability to make decisions and they must leave the area and leave it up to professionals.
I ask why.
If individuals think a fire here is too great a risk and just run away, it’s almost guaranteed to become out of control. Individuals (private) are the first defence until the volunteer (public) professionals can get there. If they can get there. Not to mention the fire departments do not have the equipment to make fire breaks so we’d be waiting on that.
Who are you Chuck, to tell people what’s too dangerous for them? Who are the councillors? The MLAs?
I mean, first you say we can’t stop it from coming into my yard and now you’re saying if we can, go for it.
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May 12, 2023 | 18:03
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Fire prevention and having equipment in the field is a great idea on the farm. We do that ourselves. Field fires are not usually as risky as forest fires though.
In a forest its not quite that simple when an out of control fire is raging your way. Aren't most of the evacuations in semi forested or forested parts of the counties?
You said ask my councillor. It’s not my fault you transposed me to living in a forest.
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