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May 9, 2023 | 07:58
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Chuck, you ought to read the comments on CBC article calling out Trudeau government for not appointed new judges as judges leave the bench for whatever reason. Even CBC can’t find anyone who likes or defends your boy wonder. Seems everyone has had about 7 years too much of the human wrecking ball.
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May 9, 2023 | 08:00
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 Originally Posted by blueversi
Wasn’t the Fort Mcmurray fire also because of a controlled burn?
I don’t recall that it was a controlled burn, I thought it was just an idiot that didn’t put their fire out properly during a fire ban. But I’m not sure if I ever seen anything confirming that either so it could have been an escaped control.
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May 9, 2023 | 08:08
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So in today's society, the government is openly encouraging dangerous drug use, then spending enormous police, and medical resources dealing with the predictable consequences. Creating huge waiting lines for emergency rooms, police who are too busy to respond to genuine criminal activities, while these drug addicts become career criminals, overwhelming the court system, and creating a homeless pandemic, straining all the resources that go along with that.
But when productive law abiding citizens are heroically willing to risk their own lives and livelihoods to protect public and private property, livestock, infrastructure etc, they are demonized and threatened. Under the excuse that by doing the right thing, they are risking straining the resources of the emergency response services who may need to intervene if things go wrong.
Does anyone see any hypocrisy in this?
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May 9, 2023 | 08:14
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 Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5
So in today's society, the government is openly encouraging dangerous drug use, then spending enormous police, and medical resources dealing with the predictable consequences. Creating huge waiting lines for emergency rooms, police who are too busy to respond to genuine criminal activities, while these drug addicts become career criminals, overwhelming the court system, and creating a homeless pandemic, straining all the resources that go along with that.
But when productive law abiding citizens are heroically willing to risk their own lives and livelihoods to protect public and private property, livestock, infrastructure etc, they are demonized and threatened. Under the excuse that by doing the right thing, they are risking straining the resources of the emergency response services who may need to intervene if things go wrong.
Does anyone see any hypocrisy in this?
Whoa. This needs distinguishing.
BC is opening encouraging dangerous drug use.
AB is actually trying to pass involuntary commitment for addicts.
This is why people can’t compared all governments as the same. Each one has its different approaches and those approaches can and do change.
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May 9, 2023 | 08:17
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 Originally Posted by Blaithin
Whoa. This needs distinguishing.
BC is opening encouraging dangerous drug use.
AB is actually trying to pass involuntary commitment for addicts.
This is why people can’t compared all governments as the same. Each one has its different approaches and those approaches can and do change.
They are changing out of necessity because they have been an unmitigated disaster.
But first, governments had to repeat the experiment all over the developed world.
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May 9, 2023 | 08:57
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 Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5
They are changing out of necessity because they have been an unmitigated disaster.
But first, governments had to repeat the experiment all over the developed world.
Alberta never encouraged dangerous drug use. Unless you’re calling pot dangerous?
BC is not changing. Them and Trudeau have criticized ABs approach as barbaric and inhumane. They are fully invested in the give them drug access, give them safe consumption sites, path.
Within AB you will find some cities that created safe injection sites, like Red Deer, but the legalization of small amounts of hard drugs was never implemented or even brought forward as a provincial bill.
There are two places in the world with involuntary commitment. Alberta working towards it, and Paraguay I believe, that implemented it years ago.
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May 9, 2023 | 10:11
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if you drive around in the hood of Regina, drugees huddled behind garbage bins and in school grounds, parks, everywhere shooting up. The emergency wards of Regina hospitals filled with the results and then there’s the ones beat to a pulp, get patched up and back the next weekend.
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May 9, 2023 | 10:42
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 Originally Posted by sumdumguy
if you drive around in the hood of Regina, drugees huddled behind garbage bins and in school grounds, parks, everywhere shooting up. The emergency wards of Regina hospitals filled with the results and then there’s the ones beat to a pulp, get patched up and back the next weekend.
And all of those people are tying up emergency rooms and hospital beds and ambulances. Meanwhile, we shut down the entire economy to keep from overwhelming the medical system for a cold. And now we won't allow people to save their own property in case they become a victims and need the medical system or emergency services to help them.
Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; May 9, 2023 at 14:19.
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May 9, 2023 | 13:24
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Shes Fort Mac all over again. Govt caught flat footed, authority's have no communication, RCMP belligerent and blocking all local help. Feds a lost cause. Contractors with a bunch of equipment evacuated out of the areas and blocked.
Locals saying they could have snuffed it out in half a day.
Town halls; https://twitter.com/ploughing12
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May 9, 2023 | 18:07
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May 9, 2023 | 20:12
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Sounds like a shit show.
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May 9, 2023 | 22:29
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Sounds like a clown show in Grande Prairie. Guys got turned away sending cats in to make firebreaks to save properties. Properties burned because of it. Chuck you should go up there and see the situation. You have no goddamn idea what you are talking about. My uncle has equipment at Rainbow making firebreaks and on standby.
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May 9, 2023 | 23:31
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 Originally Posted by Taiga
Yup, seen several times last week , on video to boot .
They shot at a band member
But ohhhhhhhhh , let’s not put blame on how most of these fires got going , can’t do that
Should be 5 year prison sentence minimum
Plus pay damages
Local Arsonists, end of story for most of these fires .
I wonder why the media says zip about this …. Hmmmm
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May 10, 2023 | 04:51
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Not prison, just a deep dark hole.
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May 10, 2023 | 05:52
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Sounds like the fire response from our elected officials is just let er burn.
Much the same attitude towards this country in general. Incompetence at all levels.
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May 10, 2023 | 07:03
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According to the news many property owners seem to be working on protecting their property and fighting fires.
In other cases the authorities have evacuated communities and properties. Probably because the assessed risks are too high.
Who on this site thinks they have more training and experience assessing, coordinating, and fighting fires than the fire crews and authorities from the Counties and the Province?
Would you allow property owners and community residents to stay, when your training and experience says that they would be at serious risk? Your job and their lives depends on you making the best decision possible at the time in a volatile situation.
You have the overview and information from the air and central coordination. The property owner is likely exhausted from work, likely isn't sleeping well and is very scared. Would you let property owners make that life and death decision on when to evacuate?
Your number one job is to protect people. How many of you would allow residents to potentially become victims trying to save their home and property in an unpredictable and dangerous fire?
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May 10, 2023 | 07:11
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There’s chuck right on cue with govt knows best.
Sure let’s send the guy with 100 dozers home. Trust the experts.
I have never seen the local RM put out a fire without a ton of farmers helping out. And no they don’t wait for directions from inept govt officials and RCMP.
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May 10, 2023 | 07:17
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 Originally Posted by chuckChuck
According to the news many property owners seem to be working on protecting their property and fighting fires.
In other cases the authorities have evacuated communities and properties. Probably because the assessed risks are too high.
Who on this site thinks they have more training and experience assessing, coordinating, and fighting fires than the fire crews and authorities from the Counties and the Province?
Would you allow property owners and community residents to stay, when your training and experience says that they would be at serious risk? Your job and their lives depends on you making the best decision possible at the time in a volatile situation.
You have the overview and information from the air and central coordination. The property owner is likely exhausted from work, likely isn't sleeping well and is very scared. Would you let property owners make that life and death decision on when to evacuate?
Your number one job is to protect people. How many of you would allow residents to potentially become victims trying to save their home and property in an unpredictable and dangerous fire?
Adults are capable of making their own decisions. Not like you can say them staying in their homes is putting everyone else at risk like the house of cards built around a certain germ.
Consider it like a DNR. The property owners inform emergency services they are staying to fight, they don’t want to be rescued and therefore use up and put emergency services at risk, just leave them be.
Everyone has their own priorities. Some people are ok with leaving their livestock behind, others will stay and try and keep as many alive as possible and protect their homes. It’s not for you or the government to tell someone their priorities are wrong.
The #1 responders out here for grassfires are farmers. Farmers are generally closest to the scene, they have the equipment available to assist, they are typically fairly prepared. Are you saying they should stop responding and sit and wait because someone more knowledgeable will eventually show up?
Volunteer stations have been run ragged last week with grass fires. I’m sure they were quite thankful that many times the fires were under control or almost out by the time they arrived on scene. It saves having to call 3 stations from different towns to one location and allows them to cover 3 fires instead of 1.
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May 10, 2023 | 07:34
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So Danny Smith is saying no to mandatory evacuations and that provincial emergency laws are out the window?
That everyone has the right to stay and protect their property even if they are going to die?
And the ones that stay and get caught in a fire and are injured or needing to be rescued? They wont be calling emergency services? You are certain of that? They will have signed a document to that effect?
I think everyone sympathizes with the terrible situation that residents who have been evacuated are faced with.
But suggesting that everyone should have the right to face floods, fires and other natural disasters and that the authorities don't have the right to evacuate them is a big step backwards in emergency planning.
Is any provincial politician saying this is a good idea?
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May 10, 2023 | 07:38
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 Originally Posted by chuckChuck
According to the news many property owners seem to be working on protecting their property and fighting fires.
In other cases the authorities have evacuated communities and properties. Probably because the assessed risks are too high.
Who on this site thinks they have more training and experience assessing, coordinating, and fighting fires than the fire crews and authorities from the Counties and the Province?
Would you allow property owners and community residents to stay, when your training and experience says that they would be at serious risk? Your job and their lives depends on you making the best decision possible at the time in a volatile situation.
You have the overview and information from the air and central coordination. The property owner is likely exhausted from work, likely isn't sleeping well and is very scared. Would you let property owners make that life and death decision on when to evacuate?
Your number one job is to protect people. How many of you would allow residents to potentially become victims trying to save their home and property in an unpredictable and dangerous fire?
Can someone edit this statement, every time Chuck says property owners, change it to say drug addicts. And see if he still agrees with his authoritarian assessment of the situation.
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May 10, 2023 | 07:39
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Try to stay focused A5! LOL
So which politicians and local authorities are saying that we don't need the power to evacuate residents under the Emergency Management Act?
And that emergencies should be best handled by local residents and that the province should have no role in emergencies?
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May 10, 2023 | 07:44
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purely obsessed with Danelle Smyth , likely dreaming about her every night !
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May 10, 2023 | 07:46
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That's all you got crop? LOL
Danny Smith is as close as you will get to a libertarian premier and far as we know she hasn't repealed the powers in the emergency management act.
So the opinions on Agrisilly don't seem to have much traction.
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May 10, 2023 | 07:53
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i will let you rant away about how government shud run our lives in every way
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May 10, 2023 | 07:56
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 Originally Posted by chuckChuck
So Danny Smith is saying no to mandatory evacuations and that provincial emergency laws are out the window?
That everyone has the right to stay and protect their property even if they are going to die?
And the ones that stay and get caught in a fire and are injured or needing to be rescued? They wont be calling emergency services? You are certain of that? They will have signed a document to that effect?
I think everyone sympathizes with the terrible situation that residents who have been evacuated are faced with.
But suggesting that everyone should have the right to face floods, fires and other natural disasters and that the authorities don't have the right to evacuate them is a big step backwards in emergency planning.
Is any provincial politician saying this is a good idea?
Right to evacuate them…
Why is that a right?
I mean, rights are pretty feeble claims anyway and subject to personal discrepancies, but why would a government have a right to evacuate anyone for anything?
It can be said they have a responsibility to evacuate those who cannot evacuate themselves, such as hospitals. But the right to enforce their beliefs on people, in a crisis?
The information should be given, the evacuation alert given, but to enforce it, no. If you start forcing people from their legally owned property and say it’s your right to do so, you’re towing a very dangerous line.
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May 10, 2023 | 07:58
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In Every way? LOL Who said that?
You really are out of your league here Crop.
You gotta come up with some better responses.
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May 10, 2023 | 08:00
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 Originally Posted by Blaithin
Right to evacuate them…
Why is that a right?
I mean, rights are pretty feeble claims anyway and subject to personal discrepancies, but why would a government have a right to evacuate anyone for anything?
It can be said they have a responsibility to evacuate those who cannot evacuate themselves, such as hospitals. But the right to enforce their beliefs on people, in a crisis?
The information should be given, the evacuation alert given, but to enforce it, no. If you start forcing people from their legally owned property and say it’s your right to do so, you’re towing a very dangerous line.
Which politicians are saying that the emergency management act should not have the power to evacuate during floods and fires?
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May 10, 2023 | 08:09
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Funny how we can get an amber alert instantly and it takes a day to get a fire alert in a community.
The RCMP shouldnt be in charge of anything. These guys should stick to harassing protestors and the unvaxxed. The local fire dept with community volunteers should be leading this charge.
Just like in Fort Mac, the contractors pleaded with the authorities to take every cat in the area and knock down a ring of of forest around the town. Request denied, we know better, surprise town burned to the ground.
Somebody explain it to chuck like he is 4yrs old, people dont recover from these losses no matter what insurance you have. So they have an interest in protecting it, not standing by while some egghead does a Trudeau talk to them.
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May 10, 2023 | 08:10
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 Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Which politicians are saying that the emergency management act should not have the power to evacuate during floods and fires?
I have no clue, I don’t pay attention to politicians.
Power to evacuate is not the same as Right to evacuate everyone.
One offers resources to assist those who wish to evacuate to do so safely. The other is enforcing the decision on people who may not wish to do so for various reasons.
You can have the first without the second.
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May 10, 2023 | 09:19
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 Originally Posted by Blaithin
Adults are capable of making their own decisions.
You Start out your argument with the assumption that we are all adults. While you are responding to the poster who was banished to the children's daycare because he had proven over and over again that he was completely unable to act like an adult.
Most children require and expect some higher authority to make all important decisions on their behalf.
They do not want to take on the burden and consequences of being responsible for their own actions and decisions.
This concept of personal responsibility is so completely foreign to intellectual children such as chuck, that this discussion is futile.
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