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Mar 14, 2023 | 02:05
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I wasnt in this town on holidays but one with similar problems.
First hand good to see not really "good" but to see it in the flesh.
The guy that tweeted is a indigenous character. Never gives up trying to help his fellow mob.
Sorry glenn before ya go off the deep end.
https://twitter.com/bouta_nt/status/...726339584?s=20
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Mar 14, 2023 | 02:15
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Some slight parrallels to your great land and its indegenous issues.
Went fishing with a husband and wife , the wifes grandmother was a full blood, but natasha just had darkish skin and just identifies as australian not indigenous even though she is. Has full blood cousins.
Wow to some of the stuff she told me, local adult prison and juvenille detention centre has kids as young as ten, rarely get held for more than a week.
A badge of honour or rite of passage to go to juvey she said, the younger you go the higher up the pecking order you are. Car theft and break ins mostly.
Kids walking down the street with packet of smokes in there tshirt sleeve wow some must have been well under 10 having a gasper, get older people bought them or they stole em.
Back to natasha she was ostrasiced in her teens for not partaking in shoplifting etc what the women do.
She added maybe 90% of cousins school friends had been in jail at least twice, some come out the other side some dont in and out.
Anyway hope ya enjoy the tweet and comments
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Mar 14, 2023 | 02:21
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From the author "a proud blackfella" and quote
"This behaviour has nothing to with colonisation. It has everything to do with entitlement"
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Mar 14, 2023 | 07:44
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The idea that all the problems of idigenous people in Canada and Australia are caused by a lack of personal responsibility is at best a naive view of the issues facing indigenous people.
If it was only indigenous people who commit crime and make mistakes you might have a point. But that is not the case. If you are poor, have nothing to lose and need to survive people will do all kinds of things regardless of the colour of their skin.
I have been coaching youth sports and over the winter and we had a couple of racist incidents that for the players and their parents involved were very upsetting and had a very negative impact on the kids involved.
I don't think anybody who hasn't experienced racism, can imagine the impact of racism has on the lives of those that experience it.
In Canada you can add in the genocide, loss of land and resources, poverty, dysfunctional reserves, underfunded education and healthcare, a shortage of housing, pervasive social problems, residential schools and abuse, MMIW, the sixities scoop and the outdated Indian act and many other things.
It's not just a matter of personal responsibility. It's a shared responsibility to end racism and make the lives of indigenous people better.
Last edited by chuckChuck; Mar 14, 2023 at 08:02.
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Mar 14, 2023 | 15:06
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did you view the tweet and read many of the indigenous people commenting.
many here in idigenous community are over the the "past history" stuff
bungy mean one indigenous freind to another even though they dont know each other.
and "deadly" means great or awesome.
natasha the girl with indigenous heritige also added most present day indigenous dont give a stuff about what happned 100 years ago only the do gooder whites do.
was a interesting 7 hours fishing with her and listening to a different opinion is she right or wrong niether just another opinion.
Last edited by Landdownunder; Mar 14, 2023 at 16:18.
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Mar 14, 2023 | 16:14
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Chuckroach needs to hang out in moccasin flats North Battleford a little more often, he won’t be banned from the adult section he would soon cease to exist, problem solved!
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Mar 14, 2023 | 16:21
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 Originally Posted by TSIPP
Chuckroach needs to hang out in moccasin flats North Battleford a little more often, he won’t be banned from the adult section he would soon cease to exist, problem solved!
they gave me a tour of the bad parts of this outback town and said never walk here at night you will get tapped. Didnt think was this bad in 2023 and fueds between warring clans are full on still going in this day and age
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Mar 14, 2023 | 16:32
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Originally Posted by Landdownunder
they gave me a tour of the bad parts of this outback town and said never walk here at night you will get tapped. Didnt think was this bad in 2023 and fueds between warring clans are full on still going in this day and age
I lived in Regina for 15 years, lots of bad parts when it gets dark. If you’re looking for trouble it’ll find you quickly, in reality you don’t have to look.
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Mar 15, 2023 | 08:00
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No doubt the majority of first nation people are fed up with the crime and social dysfunction and want to have safer and successful communities to live in.
It's not surprising that crime and violence are a problem where ever you find a marginalized racialized group that suffer from poverty and social dysfunction.
But how come indigenous people in Canada and Australia have a lot of the same problems?
It wouldn't have anything to do with how they have been treated by the colonizers, the current society and the dominant governments would it?
Any suggestion that their history under colonization and the current society have nothing to do with the issues at hand is misguided.
There is a mentality amongst some people that their situation is all their own fault. And many of the same people dispute and downplay the harms indigenous people have experienced and are experiencing.
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Mar 15, 2023 | 09:03
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
No doubt the majority of first nation people are fed up with the crime and social dysfunction and want to have safer and successful communities to live in.
It's not surprising that crime and violence are a problem where ever you find a marginalized racialized group that suffer from poverty and social dysfunction.
But how come indigenous people in Canada and Australia have a lot of the same problems?
It wouldn't have anything to do with how they have been treated by the colonizers, the current society and the dominant governments would it?
Any suggestion that their history under colonization and the current society have nothing to do with the issues at hand is misguided.
There is a mentality amongst some people that their situation is all their own fault. And many of the same people dispute and downplay the harms indigenous people have experienced and are experiencing.
Not disagreeing with any of this. Seems though playing the same old tune on the same old violin especially on this forum is counterproductive. Instead of being a perpetual complainer why not highlight some of the successes First Nations communities have had both on and off reserve. Think a lot of us root for the successful more so than want to cry for the failures. Highlight those who want to get ahead but are hampered by the Indian Act, internecine affairs, or government. Colonialism messed a lot of shit up all around this world and we are paying for it today. It’s not a problem exclusive to First Nations in Canada. Better off to study the successes and use that as a guideline to fixing the mess.
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Mar 15, 2023 | 10:04
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Chuck likes to play the racism card. A timely story from a black friend of mine.
He is ambitious, honest, generous, has his own business, and was working on one of the local reserves, leaving his equipment there when required. Recently, he was broke down on the side of the road. The only vehicle to stop didn't offer help, but instead, just stopped to yell every racial slur imaginable at him, to tell him he wasn't welcome on their reserve because of his skin colour, threaten him etc. Once his race was known to the locals, then his equipment was sabotaged, property stolen etc. He is afraid to even go back.
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Mar 15, 2023 | 13:07
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He simply didn't have the right connections or kickbacks. That's just business. Anybody with iron up north will tell you that.
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Mar 15, 2023 | 14:59
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Maybe if everybody paid their fair share of taxes like the rest of us it would go a LOOONNNGGG way in the way this country is run also. Sorry Chuck2 but 33% of the people can't keep paying 110% of the bills. I shouldn't even have to tell you that.
My Great Grandfather , Grandfather ,Dad, and myself have paid for the land I'm standing on , and nobody better come here and tell me they are "entitled" to it.
Question : If you aren't willing to work for something , why are you "entitled " to it ?
Just my opinion , sorry some of the Trudeau supporters don't like it.
Take care all.
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Mar 15, 2023 | 15:29
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Glenn there were 780 replies huge amount from ingigenous people.
They are over the colonisation and what happened 100 yrs ago.
its now and how do they fix it.
doubting you even read any of them mate.
the inner city do gooder whites hate it when ingigenous people disagree with them, like the author has said many times we cant keep saying sorry every 20 yrs and hoping it all comes good with a apology
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Mar 15, 2023 | 18:13
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Every little function I attend and the mc starts with thanking all the treaties whose land we're on. My mind thanks my forefathers who built everything on it that we're using today.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 00:20
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Originally Posted by blackpowder
Every little function I attend and the mc starts with thanking all the treaties whose land we're on. My mind thanks my forefathers who built everything on it that we're using today.
Enough with the land acknowledgements..
Either give it back or shut the F up.
And i say this with full metis friends and family ( through marriage). They feel the same way!
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Mar 16, 2023 | 07:21
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First nations in Canada are still very aware of the impact of colonization and the Indian act in Canada. So no Landownunder, they are not over it. As much as you would like it to be.
And according to some "Australia’s indigenous people say they’re still suffering legacy of British colonialism" too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1p0jJg8fRM . So it doesn't sound like Aboriginals in Australia are over it.
Learning and accepting our history whether good or the bad is hard for some people.
I can understand some of the lack of empathy and backlash coming from people who are not doing so well and see first nations as not sharing their same political views or culture.
But when the negative backlash comes from successful farmers and non indigenous people who who are relatively well off and have all the advantages and relatively little to complain about, it is difficult to understand.
The good thing is the younger generations are learning the history and are much more aware of indigenous issues and are much more sympathetic and supportive.
Last edited by chuckChuck; Mar 16, 2023 at 07:23.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 07:31
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Originally Posted by goalieguy847
Enough with the land acknowledgements..
Either give it back or shut the F up.
And i say this with full metis friends and family ( through marriage). They feel the same way!
It's a way too build understanding and learning about our history and the history of the treaties. That history was neglected and never really taught in schools.
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that many of us live on indigenous treaty and non treaty land.
We don't have to give it back and we shouldn't shut up about it and hide it either.
The Metis also have several outstanding land claims issues and were not given all the land they were promised.
Last edited by chuckChuck; Mar 16, 2023 at 07:43.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 07:50
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From Wilton, "Not disagreeing with any of this. Seems though playing the same old tune on the same old violin especially on this forum is counterproductive. Instead of being a perpetual complainer why not highlight some of the successes First Nations communities have had both on and off reserve. Think a lot of us root for the successful more so than want to cry for the failures. Highlight those who want to get ahead but are hampered by the Indian Act, internecine affairs, or government. Colonialism messed a lot of shit up all around this world and we are paying for it today. It’s not a problem exclusive to First Nations in Canada. Better off to study the successes and use that as a guideline to fixing the mess."
I am in agreement. We should be looking at successes and solutions. There are many.
We now have a movent and a duty to consult and include first nations in resource development on ancestral lands and these are positive developments.
But you should also ask your fellow posters and Landownunder why they keep posting the negative stories about first nations people and almost ignore all the success stories?
Last edited by chuckChuck; Mar 16, 2023 at 08:39.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 08:28
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"First nations in Canada are still very aware of the impact of colonization and the Indian act in Canada. So no Landownunder, they are not over it. As much as you would like it to be."
Where did he offer an opinion on our natives and what they 'should' be doing?
A good professional might help you find the root of all that passive aggressive anger.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 08:34
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Landownunder drew a slight parallel with Canada.
And it's not hard to find Aboriginals on the internet in Australia who disagree with the statement that they are over colonization
It's a bit of laugh that Landownunder thinks he can be a spokesperson for all Australian aboriginals based on the comments on his twitter account?
And the parallel between indigenous Canada and Aboriginal Australia is not slight its very strong.
Last edited by chuckChuck; Mar 16, 2023 at 08:46.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 11:18
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
It's a bit of laugh that Landownunder thinks he can be a spokesperson for all Australian aboriginals based on the comments on his twitter account?
Your complete lack of self awareness is truly a sight to behold!
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Mar 16, 2023 | 14:21
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Landownunder quoted just one tweet from a "proud black fella" Just one! So that must be the truth? Or just the one Downunder agrees with? LOL
"This behaviour has nothing to with colonization. It has everything to do with entitlement"
That's his opinion, but the assumption that this likely represents the range of opinions of all aboriginals is a bit of stretch. Most twitter comments were about the bad behaviour.
But it's a complete pile of BS by anyone to say that the impact of colonization has nothing to to do with the present day lives of first nations in Canada or Aboriginals in Australia.
Of course many people who share a certain point of view, want to deny the wrongs and sweep the history under the rug and forget about it.
But at least in Canada, Conservative Prime Minister Harper apologized for the harm and legacy of residential schools based on the Truth and Reconciliation commission findings.
But try to keep denying that none of this had anything to do with colonization.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 15:53
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weve had quite a few apologies over the years.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 16:26
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Originally Posted by Jordy2323
Your complete lack of self awareness is truly a sight to behold!
That went right over his head. I wonder if he ever bothers to read what he posts? He's literally guilty of the very thing he's accusing others of doing, and hasn't got the slightest clue, even when you so tactfully brought it to his attention, just doubled down instead.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 17:39
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So funny how some people can’t avoid dog whistles with animalistic devotion. With chat gpt now you wonder what was Glenn has been uploaded into ai to spew the same stuff. Then again some fellow lefties whom we both know are just as entrenched so I it’s still old Glenn on his one man crusade fighting all the wrongs by acting like the evil people he fights.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 19:44
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all good glenn.
was just trying to point out many indigenous have different opinions.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 22:03
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i wish i could find a video on youtube i watched about two years ago , it was a native talking and he said most of their problems are their own fault
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Mar 17, 2023 | 07:30
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Did I say indigenous people don't have a variety of opinions? Nope.
And Downunder I think you were well meaning, but you posted one guy's opinion when we know there are people who disagree with the aboriginal guy who said it was all just "entitlement" and had nothing to do with Australia's colonial past. Why just focus on the opinion you probably agree with but ignore the other opinions you might not agree with?
And of course there are a lot people like Crop grower who want to believe that first nations have caused a lot of their own problems and don't want to admit that colonization, racism and government policies have anything to do with the present day realities of first nations.
I have said it many times. It is a shared responsibility to make the lives of first nation people better. That means they have some responsibility and so does everyone else.
Last edited by chuckChuck; Mar 17, 2023 at 08:05.
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Mar 17, 2023 | 08:05
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Coming from the thought cop who is the first with derogatory sarcasm.
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