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Feb 18, 2023 | 09:19
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Great article on driving.ca. Goes into the nuts and bolts of how electricity is consumed as you drive. At 5 Celsius 10% of electricity in the ford truck was used just to keep the battery warm. Going highway speed you lose almost 50% of your range. Ideal speed is 30 kmh. We are definitely governed by morons, EV’s would be useless outside the city in the dead of winter imo. 
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Feb 19, 2023 | 11:29
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Tis true. And its roughly 50% of that goes to cabin heating... guess just have to wear a heated jacket!
That being said... gas cars at 20 degrees F lose roughly 15% of their mileage so its not like ICEs are immune to the cold. On short trips (3-5 miles) its closer to 25 %.
However.. we cant pretend like EV range isnt going to keep on increasing and battery tech isnt going to get better.
Right now they arent feasible in the country... but.. when will they be?
The vast majority of my trips are under 200 kms.. well under..but i live only 35 ish outside of a big city. I could easily get my with a ford lightning truck.. and at fuel costs vs electrical costs i am wayyyy further ahead to have an EV.
But even for those of us who live further out where its less feasible and to play devils advocate ..
How many km range would you need to consider it? 800? 1200? And how many of us drive more than the range of the long range motors/batteries in a given day?
I would absolutely love to drive an ev truck.. but for me currently, it just doesnt quite make sense. But lets be honest with ourselves... in the not too distant future... it sure will!
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Feb 19, 2023 | 14:36
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Hand tools to air operated tools to electric tools that almost break your wrist.
EV will in 20 yrs time will be different than today
Issues above yes same here for keeping car cool apparently.
And recyling btteries is the real issue as well not possible at moment
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Feb 19, 2023 | 16:19
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 Originally Posted by goalieguy847
Tis true. And its roughly 50% of that goes to cabin heating... guess just have to wear a heated jacket!
That being said... gas cars at 20 degrees F lose roughly 15% of their mileage so its not like ICEs are immune to the cold. On short trips (3-5 miles) its closer to 25 %.
However.. we cant pretend like EV range isnt going to keep on increasing and battery tech isnt going to get better.
Right now they arent feasible in the country... but.. when will they be?
The vast majority of my trips are under 200 kms.. well under..but i live only 35 ish outside of a big city. I could easily get my with a ford lightning truck.. and at fuel costs vs electrical costs i am wayyyy further ahead to have an EV.
But even for those of us who live further out where its less feasible and to play devils advocate ..
How many km range would you need to consider it? 800? 1200? And how many of us drive more than the range of the long range motors/batteries in a given day?
I would absolutely love to drive an ev truck.. but for me currently, it just doesnt quite make sense. But lets be honest with ourselves... in the not too distant future... it sure will!
I agree , but at $30,000 more than the equivalent F-150 there is no way anyone would be further ahead . If they were priced equally, then it makes sense somewhat .
I looked at lightning F-150 and a similar gas F-150 . $90,000 plus for the EV version, $60,000 for the gas . Dodge even cheaper
You can buy fuel for a lifetime for $30,000 and have a reliable truck regardless of weather .
Ended up with a 3L Duramax GM . About the same cost as the F-150 and double the fuel mileage. Farm diesel now below $1.20
Maybe in 5-7 years E trucks will make sense
Unless you live in or near a city , still need a truck and somehow get the purchase pricing more equivalent .
I would still be very concerned on the resale price on an E truck . If it needs battery replacement after 5-7 years that truck will be worth zero .
But I also agree , things are changing fast , so time will tell . I , like you will wait this out for at least 5 years and see how things play out for E trucks
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Feb 19, 2023 | 16:29
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That’s minus five C. What if you’re towing a trailer and it’s minus thirty five C? They don’t say a thing about that?
Sure they will improve. No doubt about that.
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Feb 19, 2023 | 16:39
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Originally Posted by Sheepwheat
That’s minus five C. What if you’re towing a trailer and it’s minus thirty five C? They don’t say a thing about that?
Sure they will improve. No doubt about that.
Actually Sheepwheat I reread the article and the temperature was 5 Celsius not -5 Celsius. My apologies but it does confirm for me that when someone posts an article to read few read it lol. I corrected my initial post.
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Feb 19, 2023 | 16:42
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If you can only utilize it as a second or third vehicle that gets rich.
If I lived in California it would be a no brainer first choice and the only vehicle you would need.
I keep looking but it doesn't make sense to me to spend that kind of money and have 2 or 3 vehicles.
Not even mention of range anxiety out here with only occasional chargers every 1hr or 2 down the road. If you get there and somebody is charging your there for 1 1/2 hrs.
Not ready.
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Feb 19, 2023 | 17:03
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Originally Posted by shtferbrains
If you can only utilize it as a second or third vehicle that gets rich.
If I lived in California it would be a no brainer first choice and the only vehicle you would need.
I keep looking but it doesn't make sense to me to spend that kind of money and have 2 or 3 vehicles.
Not even mention of range anxiety out here with only occasional chargers every 1hr or 2 down the road. If you get there and somebody is charging your there for 1 1/2 hrs.
Not ready.
Agree , not ready yet , not even close to have them shoved down our throats by virtue signaling politicians that have no clue about real life for most of us within the next 8 years .
Especially when there is no climate emergency as being preached by the same politicians and climate crusaders
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Feb 19, 2023 | 17:17
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If you are interested, then go to Leasebusters and see what vehicles people are trying to dump.
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Feb 19, 2023 | 19:16
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Originally Posted by sumdumguy
If you are interested, then go to Leasebusters and see what vehicles people are trying to dump.
Interesting website
Without having to sign up , what’s the Cole’s notes version of vehicles getting dumped ?
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Feb 20, 2023 | 08:08
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Plug in Hybrids with longer range will cover off a lot of the issues in colder rural areas.
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Feb 20, 2023 | 09:04
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Plug in Hybrids with longer range will cover off a lot of the issues in colder rural areas.
What I don’t understand Chuck2 is why governments are pushing the plug in EV as the main option, that is what they subsidize. I agree on a plug in hybrid but why not build a vehicle with a smaller battery and a gas power generator made to charge the battery only. Most plug in hybrids combine the ice and electric propulsion system and use the ice motor most of the time. Cars like a BMW I3 have a small generator and it only has a 40 horsepower motor running the generator. The car could be lighter as well. As an example a Mercedes ESQ580 weighs 5600 lbs roughly but at 0 Celsius only has a range of just over 300 km and a price tag that starts at $136000 CAD. My son and I ran to Edmonton on Friday, 365 km round trip, the Mercedes couldn’t make it without stopping to charge.
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Feb 20, 2023 | 10:22
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I did see the new Dodge ETorque 1/2 ton .
Never took it for a drive . Has the 5.7 Hemi with ETorque assist to reduce fuel consumption on stop / starts and when high torque is needed .
Price tag was very high . Salesman was not even real sure how well it performs.
Neat idea , but doubt the hefty price tag would ever pay for itself .
The new 6 cyl Hurricane motor will blow it away in fuel economy and power apparently.
Changes are coming , but most trucks coming to market are to be full electric not hybrid I was told.
A hybrid truck will make sense if it’s not grossly overpriced where it will never pay for itself in a lifetime.
I guess those who do buy one could virtue signal everyone else to justify it .
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Feb 20, 2023 | 22:12
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Read to the end , interesting, maybe self driving not that great
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Feb 21, 2023 | 02:16
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Originally Posted by caseih
Read to the end , interesting, maybe self driving not that great
Are first responders trained about how to use the jaws of life on EVs without shorting high voltage wiring, or compromising the batteries?
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Feb 27, 2023 | 17:11
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https://thedriven.io/2023/02/26/history-in-the-making-tesla-may-deliver-biggest-moment-in-car-industry-since-model-t/
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Feb 27, 2023 | 18:15
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Originally Posted by Bin Lurking
https://thedriven.io/2023/02/26/history-in-the-making-tesla-may-deliver-biggest-moment-in-car-industry-since-model-t/
The parts of the article referencing the manufacturing process were really interesting. Thanks for posting.
But I wonder how many readers made it past the beginning?
Statements such as this using the term "fart boxes" make it sound like it was written by a 3rd grader. A 3rd grader who doesn't understand the difference between toxic chemicals, and plant food no less.
That’s a billion exhaust pipes spewing out toxic pollution into the air we all breathe every day.
A billion exhaust pipes pumping carbon dioxide into the earth’s atmosphere making up over 20% of annual global emissions.
If humans want to get the cancer causing toxic air pollution out of our cities, and if we want to maximise our chances of halting the climate crisis and having a liveable planet, we need to get the billion petrol and diesel fart boxes off our our roads ASAP.
The most logical first step in achieving this is to stop selling new toxic fart boxes which just make the problem worse.
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Feb 27, 2023 | 18:44
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The video's were great.
Efficient production gains are what makes the richer countries able to enjoy a high standard of living.
Farmers have enjoyed some quantum leaps since direct seeding was adopted.
Musk has no drag from old ideas.
Affordable Glyphosate made a lot of it possible.
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Mar 4, 2023 | 12:47
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From the link above;
"An 8R tractor can put in a 14-hour day, running continuously at 75 per cent of its peak power, or 230 kilowatts. That’s equivalent in energy to 38 Tesla Model 3 long-range batteries, said Hindman. Together, those batteries would be 48,000 pounds, double the weight and size of the tractor, and would make the tractor four times more expensive."
48,000 pound is a tandem trailer load of batteries.
We are investing trillions to perpetuate this bullsht.
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Mar 4, 2023 | 18:29
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Noticed that Davidson Coop has at least six charging stations, completely surrounded by 5-foot snow bank.
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Mar 4, 2023 | 19:20
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Originally Posted by shtferbrains
From the link above;
"An 8R tractor can put in a 14-hour day, running continuously at 75 per cent of its peak power, or 230 kilowatts. That’s equivalent in energy to 38 Tesla Model 3 long-range batteries, said Hindman. Together, those batteries would be 48,000 pounds, double the weight and size of the tractor, and would make the tractor four times more expensive."
48,000 pound is a tandem trailer load of batteries.
We are investing trillions to perpetuate this bullsht.
Taking these numbers at face value.
Any semi truck has to run similar hours ( or longer if running tag team), with similar horsepower. So it takes the entire freight load of the truck and trailer just to carry enough batteries to power itself.
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Mar 4, 2023 | 22:04
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Anyone that can reason, will understand the total insanity of even talking about such crazy ideas. IMPOSSIBLE.
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Mar 5, 2023 | 18:37
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The rich nations can huff and puff all the want about achieving 2030 or 2050 targets but it is meaningless if the nations that know they have growth to keep their people fed ignore the bullshit.
"China's state planner underlined a greater role for coal in its power supply on Sunday, saying the fossil fuel would be used to improve the reliability and security of its energy system."
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Mar 5, 2023 | 22:10
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Plug in Hybrids with longer range will cover off a lot of the issues in colder rural areas.
When they are ready sure.
Have you ever kept equipment working at -50?
Everything runs all night. Whatever it takes.
Hopefully an all new energy source too. Thinking that's going to be the answer.
Portable, compact, efficient for weight.
Current industrial use can't have extension cords nor enough electricity distributed or stored from fossil fuel generation.
A new form of energy source. Until then we're fooling ourselves outside the 15 minute city.
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Mar 5, 2023 | 23:34
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Originally Posted by shtferbrains
The rich nations can huff and puff all the want about achieving 2030 or 2050 targets but it is meaningless if the nations that know they have growth to keep their people fed ignore the bullshit.
"China's state planner underlined a greater role for coal in its power supply on Sunday, saying the fossil fuel would be used to improve the reliability and security of its energy system."
I've got an idea.
Why don't we tax the crap out of all our clean safe, responsible, environmentally conscious energy intensive industries, making them so uncompetitive that they are forced to relocate to China, where they can instead burn dirty coal forever more, and in the process save the environment.
Isn't it funny how China still thinks that reliability and security of its energy system are important. They must not have got the memo that our leaders did.
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Mar 6, 2023 | 07:00
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European Companies are looking for new homes to get away from the high energy costs their government has imposed on them.
This announcement will be directed at them.
The political solution will not be to provide lower cost energy to attract the Europeans.
Easier to join a campaign to demonize the Chinese and impose high tariffs on their production.
Are the Bric countries planing a takeover or we giving it to them?
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Mar 14, 2023 | 17:16
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Ctv news.
Regina buying Electric buses.
1 bus costs 1.3 million.
1 diesel bus costs 750,000..
Interesting cost comparison.
News makes it sound like charging is free...
Good way to brain wash people..
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Mar 14, 2023 | 19:36
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It’s a little like last week when CTV was reporting about the guy near Saskatoon that built his own greenhouse, it was 32 degrees inside but CTV totally forgot to mention the greenhouse has a wood stove and a natural gas furnace. CTV=fake news.
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