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Mar 14, 2023 | 19:37
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EV’s should be cheaper than ICE vehicles.
They will put a severe strain on the grid that’s going to cost everyone even more . Just look at Western Europe, the numbers don’t lie … politicians do .
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Mar 15, 2023 | 08:16
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Transitioning the grid and producing more electricity will definitely cost more just like fossil fuels and ICE vehicles cost more. Every utility is already making plans for the transition.
But you wont stop the transition to EVs. Every automotive company is planning on releasing many EV options.
The amount of investment in Ontario is starting to look impressive with the VW investment in batteries in St Thomas.
For most of us we can still drive our ICE vehicles. Or choose a plug in hybrid. Or wait for more affordable and efficient EVs.
And battery technology will improve. Are you still using a bag cell phone or the first generations of smart phones? Probably not.
I see a few of the F 150 Lightnings are starting to show up on lots. They will sell quickly.
Truck sales in general are slowing due to higher fuel prices. Who really wants to spend a fortune on fuel if you really don't need a truck?
Heavy trucks will probably switch to hydrogen fuel cells or interim cleaner fuels.
The ag machinery side is developing cleaner tech as well.
It will be interesting to see how the electric buses perform in Regina.
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Mar 15, 2023 | 08:28
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 Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Or wait for more affordable and efficient EVs.
And how is that working out for you so far?
Originally Posted by chuckChuck
And battery technology will improve. Are you still using a bag cell phone or the first generations of smart phones? Probably not.
No, because along with all the rechargeable tools, they were discarded when the batteries failed. Because it was cheaper to buy new tools than replace the battery. Saving the environment one disposable EV at a time.
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Mar 15, 2023 | 09:49
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On the ctv news of course they interviewed a grey long haired fellow who only uses the bus all winter..appeared to be home less or job less..
How about asking what many others think?
Typical media..
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Mar 15, 2023 | 09:50
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Instead of "change to green", or climate BULLSH IT, we could have just gone on living the dream. Less stress, less taxes or debt, keeping our short life simple. Change making a phucking mess of lives everywhere. Shame on those promoting this horrendous waste of resources for an IDEA. Making a solution for problem we don't have.
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Mar 15, 2023 | 12:10
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Regina wants 26 total buses.
That is 19.5 million more than diesel.
Plus rebuild the infrastructure.
So how many yrs to recoup the extra cost?
Before savings start?
Chuck must have a formula for this.
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Mar 15, 2023 | 12:41
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Originally Posted by Partners
Regina wants 26 total buses.
That is 19.5 million more than diesel.
Plus rebuild the infrastructure.
So how many yrs to recoup the extra cost?
Before savings start?
Chuck must have a formula for this.
My guess about a 100 Year recovery if ever ?
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Mar 15, 2023 | 12:46
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Originally Posted by Partners
Regina wants 26 total buses.
That is 19.5 million more than diesel.
Plus rebuild the infrastructure.
So how many yrs to recoup the extra cost?
Before savings start?
Chuck must have a formula for this.
I assume that Regina was like most cities, and once had a fleet of clean, quiet, low maintenance, zero emissions electric trolley buses which never needed to stop to recharge or refill and weren't negatively impacted by cold weather?
And in the name of progress, all of the infrastructure was torn down.
And now, this is considered progress?
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Mar 15, 2023 | 13:07
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Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5
I assume that Regina was like most cities, and once had a fleet of clean, quiet, low maintenance, zero emissions electric trolley buses which never needed to stop to recharge or refill and weren't negatively impacted by cold weather?
And in the name of progress, all of the infrastructure was torn down.
And now, this is considered progress?
Yes you’d wonder in the long run if scrapping the pointless bike lanes and laying light rail in its place would be more cost effective than buying electric buses. Get the vibes of NG, and Ballard hydrogen fuel powered city buses. Buses fill a need that rail probably can’t economically but if the technocrats get their way no one will be more than 15 minutes from anything they need.
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Mar 15, 2023 | 18:41
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Transitioning the grid and producing more electricity will definitely cost more just like fossil fuels and ICE vehicles cost more. Every utility is already making plans for the transition.
But you wont stop the transition to EVs. Every automotive company is planning on releasing many EV options.
The amount of investment in Ontario is starting to look impressive with the VW investment in batteries in St Thomas.
For most of us we can still drive our ICE vehicles. Or choose a plug in hybrid. Or wait for more affordable and efficient EVs.
And battery technology will improve. Are you still using a bag cell phone or the first generations of smart phones? Probably not.
I see a few of the F 150 Lightnings are starting to show up on lots. They will sell quickly.
Truck sales in general are slowing due to higher fuel prices. Who really wants to spend a fortune on fuel if you really don't need a truck?
Heavy trucks will probably switch to hydrogen fuel cells or interim cleaner fuels.
The ag machinery side is developing cleaner tech as well.
It will be interesting to see how the electric buses perform in Regina.
Oh where do I start.
First you state ICE vehicles and fossil fuels cost more yet in a previous post it is stated the electric bus is $1.3 million and a diesel bus $750000. Hmmm, yup ICE vehicle definitely more money, fml!
Then you talk about the VW battery plant in Ontario. I just read an article by Tristin Hopper in the National Post this morning. He was talking about how nobody in the government will reveal how much money the federal government gave to VW to build the plant. VW didn’t build in Europe because they claimed they could get $10 billion to build the plant in North America, wow! Yeah impressive investment by Canadian taxpayers lol!
Then as always you bring up phones, not sure why. Well a good example of your great advancement in technology is wind generated electricity. Yesterday during the day in Alberta windmills were doing pretty good producing 2000 megawatts out of a potential 3600. By last night that production was down to 750 megawatts or 20% of nameplate capacity. Today production ranged between 300 and 350 megawatts or less than 10% of nameplate capacity all day. So when you talk about how cheap renewable energy is to produce, numbers like 4 cents a kilowatt I shake my head. I am very interested to know how this number is arrived at because some days like today there is very little wind power being generated!
The difference between you and me Chuck2 is I use real world actual numbers, you use computer models lol!
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Mar 16, 2023 | 08:07
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Hamloc we already know renewables are often intermittent. Stop repeating yourself! LOL
Hydro isn't though. Nor is geothermal. They all have a fit if we are going to need more electricity.
So stop worrying you are not going to freeze in the dark before you die!
And why are you only ranting on about the subsidies to the new battery plant in Ontario? Conservative Doug Ford was very happy to get the plant and put lots of money in.
But what about the subsidies and give aways to the oil industry in Alberta? Crickets!
Danny Smith is giving millions to the oil industry to clean up existing oil wells they own and should pay for themselves.
You can't stop EVs and the transition away from ICE cars no matter how much you complain.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 16:24
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Life expectancy of a EV bus is 12 yrs.
Never going to break even on the additional cost compared diesel.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 17:43
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"Stop repeating yourself! LOL"
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Mar 16, 2023 | 17:54
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Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5
I assume that Regina was like most cities, and once had a fleet of clean, quiet, low maintenance, zero emissions electric trolley buses which never needed to stop to recharge or refill and weren't negatively impacted by cold weather?
And in the name of progress, all of the infrastructure was torn down.
And now, this is considered progress?
Used to ride those old Trolleys in Vancouver. It was the best way to get around the City as there is no where to park. If you do find a spot it is expensive.
They are a great system there as they have high population density and a bus comes about every 5 minutes. You don't have to stand waiting for 1/2hr like Saskatoon. Sometimes they drop you off in some scary spots .
Still use them when I go there.
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Mar 16, 2023 | 19:07
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"You can't stop EVs and the transition away from ICE cars no matter how much you complain. "
Oh ya, consumer revolt will kill them. Sky high prices of minerals needed as they get scarce.
FIRES in batteries. Expensive disposal, ridiculous complex repair protocols. Electrical grid FAILURES, need to chose between a car and heat?
Shit storm of costs coming...
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Mar 17, 2023 | 07:35
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Hamloc we already know renewables are often intermittent. Stop repeating yourself! LOL
Hydro isn't though. Nor is geothermal. They all have a fit if we are going to need more electricity.
So stop worrying you are not going to freeze in the dark before you die!
And why are you only ranting on about the subsidies to the new battery plant in Ontario? Conservative Doug Ford was very happy to get the plant and put lots of money in.
But what about the subsidies and give aways to the oil industry in Alberta? Crickets!
Danny Smith is giving millions to the oil industry to clean up existing oil wells they own and should pay for themselves.
You can't stop EVs and the transition away from ICE cars no matter how much you complain.
Interesting that you bring up hydro. In Alberta we have a potential 894 megawatts of potential generation from hydro. This morning Hydro is producing 93 megawatts out of a potential 894 or 10.4% of capacity. Wind at 255 megawatts is producing at 7.1% of capacity. What is left of our coal generators is producing 815 megawatts out of a potential 820, so 99.5% of capacity. Huh, maybe the bag phone wasn’t so bad after all! 
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Mar 17, 2023 | 07:43
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Originally Posted by Hamloc
Interesting that you bring up hydro. In Alberta we have a potential 894 megawatts of potential generation from hydro. This morning Hydro is producing 93 megawatts out of a potential 894 or 10.4% of capacity. Wind at 255 megawatts is producing at 7.1% of capacity. What is left of our coal generators is producing 815 megawatts out of a potential 820, so 99.5% of capacity. Huh, maybe the bag phone wasn’t so bad after all!
So hydro is no good now too! And there are no gas plants in Alberta? You should be running the AESO because they obviously don't know what they are doing! LOL
Cant wait to hear how you like using your old bag phone!
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Mar 18, 2023 | 07:30
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
So hydro is no good now too! And there are no gas plants in Alberta? You should be running the AESO because they obviously don't know what they are doing! LOL
Cant wait to hear how you like using your old bag phone!
Actually Chuck2 I have no issue with hydroelectric generation. My point was, which you chose to ignore, that Alberta has 3 main sources of renewable electricity, wind, solar and hydro. When I looked at the AESO supply demand page none of the 3 was producing at much over 10% of capacity. I was simply pointing out that coal(the electrical generation equivalent of the bag phone in your world) was producing very close to 100% and renewables (the electrical generation of a smart phone in your world) was producing at 10% or less.
Getting back to hydro. Site C dam in B.C. was originally envisioned back in the early 80’s. I believe it was decided somewhere around 2010 to build it and completion date is now 2025. How long do you think in today’s Canada it would take to build the next hydroelectric dam? Incompetence is king in today’s federal government in Canada!
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Mar 18, 2023 | 11:22
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
You can't stop EVs and the transition away from ICE cars no matter how much you complain.
Spoken like a true communist. You would have really been right in your element on the central planning committee in charge of the 5-year plan.
You peasants will drive a Lada and you will like it. We will only build enough to meet 10% of demand, and you will be on a waiting list for 10 years to get the Lada. Anyone who complains that they want more vehicles or more suitable or more reliable vehicles, or shorter waiting lists will be sent to the gulag. I'm from the government and only I know best what's best for you.
Wait a minute, this isn't entirely fiction, given your history with the CWB.
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Mar 18, 2023 | 12:37
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Consumers will vote with their wallets..
Long lines of EV vehicles on dealers lots will change things.
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Mar 18, 2023 | 12:40
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Everything that is suppose to SAVE THE WORLD costs more.
Restaurants using paper straws, those weird containers for food, all more expensive than plastic and Styrofoam..
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Mar 18, 2023 | 12:53
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Originally Posted by Partners
Consumers will vote with their wallets..
Long lines of EV vehicles on dealers lots will change things.
Consumers having a choice and voting with their wallets is the problem. The consumers won't switch to an inferior technology if they have a choice. Therefore, they cannot be permitted to have a choice. See Chuck's statement above about consumers complaining not changing anything.
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Mar 18, 2023 | 15:36
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Want a F 150 gas burner..2 to 6 months wait.
Want a lightning? 2 sitting on Humboldt lot for 2 months now..
People just flocking for them ..not..
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Mar 18, 2023 | 15:56
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Originally Posted by Partners
Consumers will vote with their wallets..
Long lines of EV vehicles on dealers lots will change things.
What do the 98% of the population that don't drive $125k autos do?
I don't see being able to get by with an EV as your only vehicle.
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Mar 18, 2023 | 17:28
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Unfukingbelievable
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Mar 18, 2023 | 17:40
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Don't forget to add the luxury tax.
And the battery life on my latest phone is awful.
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Mar 18, 2023 | 18:11
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I have some fond memories of those old bag phones.
Antenna on the roof they were much more dependable than the intermittent service from a hand held.
Not great for internet.
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Mar 18, 2023 | 18:21
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Originally Posted by shtferbrains
I have some fond memories of those old bag phones.
Antenna on the roof they were much more dependable than the intermittent service from a hand held.
Not great for internet.
I don't seem to recall the bag phones having a battery. Perhaps there was a portable model and one meant to be left in the car? All the ones I remember using took power from the vehicle.
And don't use it unless it's an emergency because airtime was very expensive.
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Mar 18, 2023 | 19:05
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Originally Posted by shtferbrains
What do the 98% of the population that don't drive $125k autos do?
I don't see being able to get by with an EV as your only vehicle.
QUICK buy both of the trucks at Humboldt Chuck! Hell of a deal!
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Mar 19, 2023 | 08:46
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Here's a better option for those who are already feeling nostalgic for the era of overpriced ICE trucks! LOL
Its a deal!
Ram today unveiled three special editions of the popular Ram 1500 (as if there weren’t enough already) at the annual State Fair of Texas. Two of them will go on sale in Canada including one that is the most expensive and exclusive pickup ever offered by the brand.
We’re talking about the 2022 Ram 1500 TRX Ignition Edition, which is priced from $125,075 (plus $2,795 destination and handling). Canadian buyers will have to act quickly since there will only be 100 units available.
No doubt many of "boys" love their overpriced trucks that depreciate at an alarming rate with some of the highest costs of ownership of any vehicle on the market, aside from the luxury vehicle market.
When some of the boys get the big first job, its time to buy a truck, quad, snowmachine and maybe a boat all on credit. All them will pay for themselves in time! And when they get laid off, they can survive on their savings for about 5 minutes! LOL
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