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Landdownunder's Avatar Jan 14, 2023 | 20:54 1 not sure in UK tanks pledged is turn for worse or better.

Fast becoming a war ukraine and russia both cant win and both cant lose.

but wow reading on a left wing russian leaning site who much wealth Putin personally has and how much russia has "tucked away" for the advent of war. Hes one of the richest men on the planet. There there for the long haul.

Perversley most of it is "western money" squirreld away. Reply With Quote
Landdownunder's Avatar Jan 14, 2023 | 20:55 2 PS i dont beleive all i read on internet but seemed a valid site and author. Reply With Quote
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  • Landdownunder's Avatar Jan 14, 2023 | 21:03 3 PPS my friend who films for a network here owned by paramount is going back for his second tour of duty in 2 weeks a three week stint less if to dangerous more if not to bad.

    Got sent home last time did 1st of march to 15th. Got called out when US camera men died think 14th. Was in same "evening compound "as them

    Bit of a thrill seeker maybe super well paid for it and "non insurable" if you go past certain lines regions.

    Been to plenty of hot spots over the years. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 15, 2023 | 19:59 4 You have a very brave friend Downunder, please keep us informed when he comes back with his stories.

    The truth coming from an actual eye witness is certainly better than all the internet cut and pastes and video B.S. the Putin supporters bombard us with on Agriville.

    Dictator Putin's missiles hit an apartment block in the city of Dnipro on Sunday killing 30 innocent Ukrainian civilians.

    Ukrainians facing genocide daily from Putin's unjustified invasion. Reply With Quote

  • Jan 15, 2023 | 20:24 5 I am as far from Ukrainian or other such Eastern European ancestry but can’t help but support Ukraine against Russian imperialism. The Russian cuks are just that cuks. Russias greatness in the eyes of Putin and previous rulers is an empire which they control but can’t bring to full potential. Going back from the Golden Horde to today it’s the same bullshit. In fact the same mongol tactics are applied today and their entire doctrine is based upon it. Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Jan 15, 2023 | 21:01 6 This is not genocide. It is war.
    I don't condone it. But it is not new. And will not be the last.
    I certainly don't have a guess as to what things look like in the future specifically. But it's all just a wash rinse repeat cycle. Reply With Quote
    Jan 15, 2023 | 21:07 7 Watched a live interview Fareed had with Olena Zelenska the First Lady of Ukraine and she stated that 50% of Ukrainian families are separated because of Putin's invasion.

    Putin's so-called all mighty army can't defeat the Ukraine forces so he continues to fire missiles daily trying to defeat the will of the Ukrainian people through unbearable suffering.

    The First Lady stated the Ukrainian sprit will never be broken by Putin.

    But, we have those on Agriville watching TV or videos in the warm comfort of their living rooms with their families who have justified Putin's invasion. Reply With Quote

  • Jan 16, 2023 | 00:06 8 What does it matter what we think or, “ condone”? Doesn’t make a hill of beans difference to Putin.
    Dictators dictate and if you want to pontificate about it, go stand on the mountain and spew all you like, ain’t gonna matter, they aren’t listening to you or me. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 16, 2023 | 00:44 9
    Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
    What does it matter what we think or, “ condone”? Doesn’t make a hill of beans difference to Putin.
    Dictators dictate and if you want to pontificate about it, go stand on the mountain and spew all you like, ain’t gonna matter, they aren’t listening to you or me.
    Is it any different than talking shop on here? Reply With Quote
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  • Landdownunder's Avatar Jan 16, 2023 | 01:53 10 He films thats his job,what the journalists and networks do with it is not up to him.

    Another wish of his but not granted is to go into say st peterburg or the likes and see what general "run of the mill" russians think. Hes sure he would get both sides of the views.

    He gets horrified by some of the "news" on the internet.

    He can watch clips of some footage, say a 30 second clip. half way through he might say see the shadows different, and ever so slighly different sound in same clip. Been joined in the middle of the clip, completely different artillery sound from start of clip "could be from any war anywere"

    Interesting guy.

    Hes neither a right winger or a left winger just a normal guy who cares, and pursues truth and loves photography thats how he started.

    Another thing hes hoping for , made friends with his bodyguards hopes he has same ukrainian guys but not even a slim chance he said but some how hopes to contact them.
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  • Jan 16, 2023 | 06:01 11
    Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
    What does it matter what we think or, “ condone”? Doesn’t make a hill of beans difference to Putin.
    Dictators dictate and if you want to pontificate about it, go stand on the mountain and spew all you like, ain’t gonna matter, they aren’t listening to you or me.
    What's the difference between you continually spewing on your mountain top regarding the Covid vaccines and mandates on here?

    Sum, aren't your ancestors from Ukraine?

    Update,

    The death toll of the apartment bombing is now 40, which includes mothers with their children, not a genocide?
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    Jan 16, 2023 | 07:42 12 Targeting civilians is a war crime. Reply With Quote
    Jan 16, 2023 | 07:53 13 Forage, the point I wanted to make is that to start fighting amongst ourselves is futile. Warring has gone on for decades between many nations ad nauseum. I hate to say it and even think it but I wonder if Putin would have tried this invasion if Trump had been in power. Was this the opportunity that he was waiting for? And yes my relatives did have Slavic background. I studied European History some time ago and there have been people who have made it their life’s work to study nations that are continuously fighting with their neighbours. We live what we are taught. Reply With Quote

  • jazz's Avatar Jan 16, 2023 | 08:10 14
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Targeting civilians is a war crime.
    Hmm, i dont remember it being a war crime when Obama drone striked a wedding party in Iraq killing almost 100 people, including women and children.

    You NPCs are hilarious. You have no idea whats going on the the world. Just CNN brainwashing.

    2.5 millions Ukrainians hate russia so bad that...wait for it, they moved to russia during this conflict.
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  • Jan 16, 2023 | 08:20 15 Jazz are you getting your "news" from the Kremlin? LOL

    We all know you are a Putin supporter Jazz so you want to deflect.

    Putin is losing the war and is purposely targeting civilians and infrastructure to terrorize the Ukrainians into submission.

    And the hard right support Putin because they are political wackos. Reply With Quote
    Jan 16, 2023 | 08:48 16 Now chuck and forage think they are experts on War !

    God help us ! Reply With Quote

  • jazz's Avatar Jan 16, 2023 | 09:08 17
    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguy View Post
    Now chuck and forage think they are experts on War !

    God help us !
    Well they sure as hell dont know wtf is actually going on other than what Fareed told me. Maybe Zelenskys wife needs another shopping trip in Paris on Natos dime.

    The so called missle strike went off course due to anti aircraft missle striking it mid flight. Putin has had 11 months to kill civilians. He is so inept he cant event kill people right. His cancer must be getting bad.

    The russian main force hasnt even crossed over the border yet. Its 500k strong sitting in western russia with another 100k or more gathering in Belarus. The bulk of the fighting is done by Wagner group and local Donbass militias.

    In a few months Russia will be up to the Dnieper and effectively control most of the country. Zelensky probably has suitcases packed already. And the deep state scumbag project will be nullified. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 16, 2023 | 09:23 18 You do know Russia has the same GDP as Canada or a better comparison might be Brasil.
    They can't print rubles to support a war or they will be worthless.
    They couldn't support military expansion last time they collapsed.

    You are correct about there being a lot more at play. Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Jan 16, 2023 | 10:47 19 I suppose I should consider the audience before I get worked up.
    Frequent incorrect use of a word changes it's meaning over time.
    Genocide last I looked is the extermination of an ethnicity or nationality.

    War crimes is being modified for the times but equally disserved by dumbing it down.

    We will soon have to find new terms and qualifiers for the major instances.
    Or lessen their significance.
    Murders are happening in this war as has always been.

    The cheapest commodity in our history is human life at times. I don't like it but I don't deny it's existence.
    Doing so makes you a victim current or future. Reply With Quote

  • Jan 16, 2023 | 12:00 20
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Well they sure as hell dont know wtf is actually going on other than what Fareed told me. Maybe Zelenskys wife needs another shopping trip in Paris on Natos dime.

    The so called missle strike went off course due to anti aircraft missle striking it mid flight. Putin has had 11 months to kill civilians. He is so inept he cant event kill people right. His cancer must be getting bad.

    The russian main force hasnt even crossed over the border yet. Its 500k strong sitting in western russia with another 100k or more gathering in Belarus. The bulk of the fighting is done by Wagner group and local Donbass militias.

    In a few months Russia will be up to the Dnieper and effectively control most of the country. Zelensky probably has suitcases packed already. And the deep state scumbag project will be nullified.
    You are definitely certifiably mad or dillusional. Where do you get 500 hundred thousand? Get off whatever drugs you are on. You must be sharing Putin's prescription. Your theories are the way a crazy Hitler was calling for imaginary forces to attack at the end of the war.
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  • jazz's Avatar Jan 16, 2023 | 12:13 21 You are well on your way to being full NPC agstarr. After 3 yrs you still cant find the real news.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-mobilize-new-conscript-military-intelligence-war-ukraine/

    Russia has captured the extensive interconnected salt mines in the area, so now they have cover for men and equipment and a protected transport corridor into the front line. Reply With Quote
    Jan 16, 2023 | 12:17 22
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    You are well on your way to being full NPC agstarr. After 3 yrs you still cant find the real news.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-mobilize-new-conscript-military-intelligence-war-ukraine/

    Russia has captured the extensive interconnected salt mines in the area, so now they have cover for men and equipment and a protected transport corridor into the front line.
    Almost a year into the invasion and this is what one of the biggest militaries in the world has accomplished? Reply With Quote
    Jan 16, 2023 | 12:26 23 How long was the USA in Iraq? And tens of thousands civilians killed, this Ukraine thing is rookie numbers so far. Reply With Quote
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  • jazz's Avatar Jan 16, 2023 | 16:34 24
    Quote Originally Posted by TSIPP View Post
    How long was the USA in Iraq? And tens of thousands civilians killed, this Ukraine thing is rookie numbers so far.
    Russias foray into Ukraine last winter was a head fake. Putin thought that Zelensky was a reasonable man and wouldnt risk a war over joining nato. Turns out Zelensky really is a crack pot crack head, so Putin is forced to go through the motions for real now.

    Look at the chechnya war if you want to know how this will play out. A slow grind of attrition.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtmvCaI9oV4
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  • Jan 16, 2023 | 17:10 25 Nothing will change until they run off the ‘hero’ Zelensky. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 16, 2023 | 18:17 26 Will you guys be spouting the same stuff in future years when Russia makes a run for Poland or the Baltic states? It’s a long game cut a bit shorter because of collapsing demographics and population. Putin will be long gone as some of us on here as well but Russian empire building will continue. All anyone can do is stand united and be prepared to fight long term.

    The hate on for Ukraine has been masterfully engineered. So implicit yet so effective. Russia is a master of deceit and destabilization from within, and with the internet and social media so easy. China is even worse as they have their people living all over the world which through sympathy to the country or coercion and blackmail by agents can be mobilized to destabilize countries. I dont understand how some here but into the poor Russia argument but are critical of china. My eyes they’re both the same. The west is their means to an end until the time is ripe for conquest. Reply With Quote
    Jan 16, 2023 | 18:56 27 I don’t think I’ve seen any cheering about Russia but anyone thinking the coke head in high heels is a hero is just fooling themselves. Reply With Quote
    Jan 16, 2023 | 19:05 28 How about if the Russians send in more troops and the Americans consider that destabilizing and give the Ukrainians the 100 surplus A-10 Warthogs they requested that were specifically developed to kill Russian tanks?
    Fairly scary to troops in formation on the ground too.
    1 example of many of the equipment that is currently surplus that was developed to defeat Russia on the open plains.
    Putin is emboldened by widespread incompetent leadership at a level never before seen.

    Nuclear deterent only goes so far and Putin knows it. Reply With Quote
    jazz's Avatar Jan 16, 2023 | 19:18 29
    Quote Originally Posted by shtferbrains View Post
    How about if the Russians send in more troops and the Americans consider that destabilizing and give the Ukrainians the 100 surplus A-10 Warthogs they requested that were specifically developed to kill Russian tanks?
    Fairly scary to troops in formation on the ground too.
    1 example of many of the equipment that is currently surplus that was developed to defeat Russia on the open plains.
    Putin is emboldened by widespread incompetent leadership at a level never before seen.

    Nuclear deterent only goes so far and Putin knows it.
    The S400 anti air craft system picked up F22 raptors 200km outside Syrian airspace in 2015. You think the A10 would have a chance? It’s dead slow and only used after complete air superiority has been achieved.

    Same thing with apaches.

    Russia ain’t Iraq. Reply With Quote
    Jan 16, 2023 | 22:44 30
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Well they sure as hell dont know wtf is actually going on other than what Fareed told me. Maybe Zelenskys wife needs another shopping trip in Paris on Natos dime.

    The so called missle strike went off course due to anti aircraft missle striking it mid flight. Putin has had 11 months to kill civilians. He is so inept he cant event kill people right. His cancer must be getting bad.

    The russian main force hasnt even crossed over the border yet. Its 500k strong sitting in western russia with another 100k or more gathering in Belarus. The bulk of the fighting is done by Wagner group and local Donbass militias.

    In a few months Russia will be up to the Dnieper and effectively control most of the country. Zelensky probably has suitcases packed already. And the deep state scumbag project will be nullified.
    I read the Politico link you provided.

    I guess this article has all the facts and is superior to any other media source reporting on the Russian invasion because you're reading it.

    The 100K number in the article is the number of Russian soldiers kill in battle by Ukrainian forces. No mention of 100k Russian soldiers gathering in Belarus.

    Jazz if your going to provide a link at least read it and understand WTF is printed in it before you post your own B.S. Reply With Quote
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