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jazz's Avatar Jan 10, 2023 | 15:27 1 Name:  gst.jpg
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  • Jan 10, 2023 | 15:56 2 Just burn coal, if the the electricity is used far away from the generating station half of the electricity is lost during transmission. Reply With Quote
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    We always do our best to contribute. Reply With Quote

  • Jan 10, 2023 | 19:25 4 What insanity. If someone is concerned about smoke and combustion gases… when cooking…

    most Intelegent cooks turn on the ventilator fan in the overhead hood over the cooking range… to exhaust the smoke /exhaust…outside….

    Blessings and Salutations Reply With Quote
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  • makar's Avatar Jan 10, 2023 | 19:32 5 40 years ago bacon was killing us all, still here. Reply With Quote
    makar's Avatar Jan 10, 2023 | 19:35 6 Actually lived first 1/4 of my life with a stove like that no vents still here. Reply With Quote
    Jan 10, 2023 | 22:33 7 To be honest, I wouldn’t have a gas stove because the heat comes up around the outside of the pot and makes handles burning hot, Can’t leave a spoon in the pot either and just time one of those burners when wanting to boil a big pot of water. Won’t break my heart, turfing them. Reply With Quote
    Jan 10, 2023 | 22:33 8 Need one of those just about as much as I need a Liberal kicking around. Reply With Quote
    Jan 10, 2023 | 22:43 9 Commercial kitchens, fast food with grills and friers,anywhere producing high volumes or factory production?
    Be like the steel mills. Government will fund the changeover.
    Funding is not money.
    They print it out of thin air. No problem. Reply With Quote
    Jan 11, 2023 | 07:47 10 Change is hard!

    Took a awhile for some people to admit smoking was dangerous or that seat belts save lives too.

    Its a question of indoor air quality.

    Do you run your engines in the shop without an exhaust line or fan for very long? Most people at least open the door.

    We have a gas cook top. Nice to have gas when the power goes out.

    Electric induction stove tops are another option that probably make more sense. They are more efficient and safer. Reply With Quote
    Jan 11, 2023 | 10:26 11
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Change is hard!

    Took a awhile for some people to admit smoking was dangerous or that seat belts save lives too.

    Its a question of indoor air quality.

    Do you run your engines in the shop without an exhaust line or fan for very long? Most people at least open the door.

    We have a gas cook top. Nice to have gas when the power goes out.

    Electric induction stove tops are another option that probably make more sense. They are more efficient and safer.
    We switched to induction 8 years ago. We would not go back to electric , safer and faster. Reply With Quote
    jazz's Avatar Jan 11, 2023 | 19:20 12 Some farmers gas bill....

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    Jan 11, 2023 | 19:50 13 that must be one wh-ore of a shop ? Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 11, 2023 | 20:03 14 2 shops , house , total for dec,(cold cold month), $568. total tax paid of that = $155.55(27.5% of bill)
    , of that $7 was GST on carbon tax , what kind of idiot would ever come up with GST on a carbon tax ??????????. what kind of special idiots (us) would pay it
    chucky , is this what you asked for ? Reply With Quote

  • Jan 11, 2023 | 21:37 15 It’s ok case, you’ll get back more than you pay in, right? Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 11, 2023 | 21:55 16 Meanwhile, these same climate clowns are denying the developing world access to clean affordable fossil fuels, in the name of saving the climate. So they are cooking and heating with wood and dung without ventilation and are suffering horrific health consequences as a result. While simultaneously resulting in deforestation and erosion and soil degradation.

    And not just the developing world, the horrific price increases resulting from the renewable energy disaster in Europe is driving people in first world countries to go back to burning wood and dung and coal and peat moss. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 12, 2023 | 06:06 17 It’s only going to get worse as the Liberals have free reign to continue to hike the carbon tax Reply With Quote

  • Jan 12, 2023 | 08:27 18
    Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
    2 shops , house , total for dec,(cold cold month), $568. total tax paid of that = $155.55(27.5% of bill)
    , of that $7 was GST on carbon tax , what kind of idiot would ever come up with GST on a carbon tax ??????????. what kind of special idiots (us) would pay it
    chucky , is this what you asked for ?
    Caseih, 2 shops and a house. 1300 sq. ft. house well insulated and protected, 2880 sq. ft. shop R50 ceiling, R28 walls and a 1500 sq. ft. shop. Dec. gas bill was 925.05. Carbon tax 192.51, 21% of the bill. I did notice I pay $2.55 a gigajoule for delivery and maintenance, $1.45 a gigajoule more than on the above bill from Blackie. In 2030 Justin Trudeau’s carbon tax will be $170 a tonne of C02. The carbon tax then on the same 73.22 gigajoule of natural gas will $654.53, more than the combined cost of natural gas and delivery and maintenance of $636.35 on my bill today. Yes absolutely ridiculous today, way more ridiculous by 2030!!! Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 12, 2023 | 08:34 19 Just wait till carbon tax is 50% of the bill …. Won’t have to wait long .
    How much of this carbon tax do you think will be rebated ? My guess near zero Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 12, 2023 | 08:50 20 I have a well insulated passive solar 1400 square foot house 1600 square foot heated shop and my total gas usage was only 18.16 gigajoules for a total of $176.00 in December. The carbon tax was 47.62. Significant but hardly going to change my fortunes on a mid sized farm.

    The usage on the Blackie area farm was massive and on Hammy's farm is significantly higher than mine with only a second bigger shop.

    On my electricity bill because my solar pv system covers the average annual usage most years I paid no carbon tax in 2022.

    The best way to cut carbon taxes is to use less carbon. Because a price on carbon is here to stay in some form. Every province including Alberta and Saskatchewan have a price on carbon for large emitters. Reply With Quote
    jazz's Avatar Jan 12, 2023 | 09:11 21 chuck, maybe you haven't noticed the month long daily hoar frost event we have been getting.

    I call bullshit on your solar.

    All the rooftop panels here were covered with layer of ice after the rain in december and a coating of frost all day long for a month. They are producing zero and nobody is brave enough to go up there and clean them off.

    On top of that, there has been like 2 sunny days in that time.

    BIG FAT ZERO ENERGY
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  • Jan 12, 2023 | 09:18 22
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    I have a well insulated passive solar 1400 square foot house 1600 square foot heated shop and my total gas usage was only 18.16 gigajoules for a total of $176.00 in December. The carbon tax was 47.62. Significant but hardly going to change my fortunes on a mid sized farm.

    The usage on the Blackie area farm was massive and on Hammy's farm is significantly higher than mine with only a second bigger shop.

    On my electricity bill because my solar pv system covers the average annual usage most years I paid no carbon tax in 2022.

    The best way to cut carbon taxes is to use less carbon. Because a price on carbon is here to stay in some form. Every province including Alberta and Saskatchewan have a price on carbon for large emitters.
    thats what they said in australia also , but its gone
    how in **** do you think we can compete on the world stage
    even sleepy joe knows better Reply With Quote

  • Jan 12, 2023 | 10:47 23 Alberta has the highest use of natural gas as a principle source of energy in households (72%) yet asthma rates in Alberta are lower than the national average.

    Ontario has the top asthma rates.

    Natural gas isn't the bogeyman folks.


    https://health-infobase.canada.ca/da...thma-blog.html Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 12, 2023 | 10:58 24 Maybe time to look at the bale burning furnaces again . Let’s see them tax that carbon …. LOL Reply With Quote
    Jan 12, 2023 | 11:45 25
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Maybe time to look at the bale burning furnaces again . Let’s see them tax that carbon …. LOL
    Seen a setup years ago guy had one tied into his shops and aeration bins. He had a manufacturing business and built the boiler himself. Looked like it worked. If you grow flax it would be a great opportunity. Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Jan 12, 2023 | 11:50 26 House on $80 per month year round. Dec shop 2560 ft2, $138, 25% C02 tax plus GST.

    This is so ridiculous, but only our COMPLIANT selves to blame. Pure evil libtards.

    CC "Nice to have gas when the power goes out." and solar does SFA...

    C02 is NOT pollution! .004 of the air in your face, OOH that's scary high! Get a brain people!
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  • jazz's Avatar Jan 12, 2023 | 16:21 27 Pls explain chuck....LOL

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  • fjlip's Avatar Jan 12, 2023 | 17:31 28 Think the EV sh it just CRASHED into a wall of NFW, reality check libtard/green/lefties
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    Jan 12, 2023 | 17:34 29 JFC FJ
    Don’t bring facts into the daycare
    You’ll have chucky rocking the doll again Reply With Quote
    Jan 12, 2023 | 18:31 30
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Pls explain chuck....LOL

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    The new green economy is going to look after all that.

    As soon as China gets it all under control.

    Emphasis on the control. Reply With Quote