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Jan 13, 2023 | 08:26 61
Quote Originally Posted by seldomseen View Post
Since no one here has a solution that is satisfactory to you Chuck why don’t you tell us your solution?
I don’t know why you started this? We all know the natives got a shitty deal and I am sure everyone on this site would change it if we could.
If you can’t offer any better solution then shut up!
Finally someone who agreed first nations got a shitty deal! We are making progress. At least you didn't agree with "personal responsibility" is the only issue BS.

Whats wrong with having the discussion about how many people don't really know the history of what happened nor do they know the current issues that are still making it difficult for first nations to succeed?

Without that discussion its hard to move to forward with solutions with people who's first thought is to blame first nations for all their problems.

Its a shared responsibility. Reply With Quote
cropgrower's Avatar Jan 13, 2023 | 08:39 62 so the only solution you can come up with is to talk about it ? Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 13, 2023 | 08:52 63
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Finally someone who agreed first nations got a shitty deal! We are making progress. At least you didn't agree with "personal responsibility" is the only issue BS.

    Whats wrong with having the discussion about how many people don't really know the history of what happened nor do they know the current issues that are still making it difficult for first nations to succeed?

    Without that discussion its hard to move to forward with solutions with people who's first thought is to blame first nations for all their problems.

    Its a shared responsibility.
    You forgot to tell us your proposed solution. Reply With Quote
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  • jazz's Avatar Jan 13, 2023 | 09:02 64
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    You forgot to tell us your proposed solution.
    We all know what that is. We all pay the natives to be even bigger marxists. Ratchet the Indian Act up to full power like the CWB was and let the socialist chips fall where they may.

    Too bad the natives cant recognize socialism is their real problem. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 13, 2023 | 09:05 65
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    And the Irish did terrible things to themselves as well.

    Look beyond your own experience and try to see the world from someone else perspective.

    Its starts with understanding the history and current situation.
    Better brush up on your history there or you’re just a typical Englishman thinking the Irish are a bunch of inferior beings. Don’t f with the Irish. Reply With Quote
    Jan 13, 2023 | 09:39 66
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    We all know what that is. We all pay the natives to be even bigger marxists. Ratchet the Indian Act up to full power like the CWB was and let the socialist chips fall where they may.

    Too bad the natives cant recognize socialism is their real problem.
    You stole my punchline. We all know that Chuck's proposed solution to everything is more marxism, more big government, more wealth redistribution, more interfering with the free market, less personal responsibility, less capitalism, more big brother knows best.
    But in Chuck's very first post, in the story of the native farmer who attempted to be successful, but was subverted by the very factors Chuck proposes as solutions to everything.
    Been a few posts later, the age of who was trying to be a cattle farmer, but the band kept redistributing his hey production making it impossible to make a living.
    The recurring theme is that no one can borrow money or invest money when the land is owned collectively.
    It seems that they have already identified that more communism is not the solution to their problems.
    I suspect we are never going to hear a solution coming from chuck.
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  • cropgrower's Avatar Jan 13, 2023 | 10:01 67 yes the only solution in his mind would make things even worse Reply With Quote

  • blackpowder's Avatar Jan 13, 2023 | 10:48 68 All chuck really wants is for everyone to agree with him. Bait, berate, disdain. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 13, 2023 | 11:04 69
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
    All chuck really wants is for everyone to agree with him. Bait, berate, disdain.
    No, because that would take all of the fun out of stirring the pot. If we all agreed with him, he would promptly change sides. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 13, 2023 | 13:08 70
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    No, because that would take all of the fun out of stirring the pot. If we all agreed with him, he would promptly change sides.
    Any time we waste our time taking Chuck's bait, always remember the saying about wrestling with a pig. Which doesn't mean we can't have fun l mocking his self importance and ignorance. Reply With Quote
    Jan 13, 2023 | 13:21 71
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    No, because that would take all of the fun out of stirring the pot. If we all agreed with him, he would promptly change sides.
    The time we did on thatcher , he immediately started arguing with himself Reply With Quote

  • Landdownunder's Avatar Jan 13, 2023 | 13:24 72 We had a indigenous chap here for hmm maybe 2 yrs lived in a spare house. Black as the ace of spades great guy.

    Crazy knack of tracking animals i was in awe sometimes.

    Unbeknown to us he was a ice user got taken away and locked up bashed his girlfriend.

    Used to do a little mechanical work in lue of rent.

    Gifted sportsmen.

    Used to tell of his growing up and struggles in his late 30s.

    Was on the wrong side of the tracks as young person.

    Sadly still is. Sadly i should have done more. Would still be here aint heard from him since. Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Jan 13, 2023 | 14:11 73 I had an employee with substance abuse problems. History was FAS and childhood trauma. Familial alcoholism. Skin color irrelevant.
    All I could give him was leadership and dignity. He fired himself. Glad to see his taillights.
    A few years go by. He still visits once a year with his son. Which is lots.
    Doing very well finally. All him. Reply With Quote
    Jan 13, 2023 | 15:22 74
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
    I had an employee with substance abuse problems. History was FAS and childhood trauma. Familial alcoholism. Skin color irrelevant.
    All I could give him was leadership and dignity. He fired himself. Glad to see his taillights.
    A few years go by. He still visits once a year with his son. Which is lots.
    Doing very well finally. All him.
    That is the really unfortunate part. FAS is a huge hurdle to even attempt to overcome. No amount of money or opportunity or apologies is ever going to right that wrong.
    And trying to hold me and my ancestors responsible for the actions of the current generations isn't going to help.
    Breaking that vicious cycle would probably be the most productive step possible. And I don't profess to know how that could be accomplished. Especially if Chuck etc al continue to be violently against anything related to personal responsibility. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 13, 2023 | 17:49 75
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Finally someone who agreed first nations got a shitty deal! We are making progress. At least you didn't agree with "personal responsibility" is the only issue BS.

    Whats wrong with having the discussion about how many people don't really know the history of what happened nor do they know the current issues that are still making it difficult for first nations to succeed?

    Without that discussion its hard to move to forward with solutions with people who's first thought is to blame first nations for all their problems.

    Its a shared responsibility.
    I have read a lot of different books on the history of Western Canada and our native peoples.
    One thing that always shines through is what a disaster the Canadian government was and how it screwed everything up when dealing with our native people.
    The government hasn’t changed and will still screw up everything it touch’s so I can’t see where adding more government to this problem would be a benefit.
    From what I have read the best the natives have had it was when the HBC company ran Western Canada and their big problems started after Canada bought the West.
    Last edited by seldomseen; Jan 13, 2023 at 17:52.
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  • blackpowder's Avatar Jan 13, 2023 | 18:17 76
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    That is the really unfortunate part. FAS is a huge hurdle to even attempt to overcome. No amount of money or opportunity or apologies is ever going to right that wrong.
    And trying to hold me and my ancestors responsible for the actions of the current generations isn't going to help.
    Breaking that vicious cycle would probably be the most productive step possible. And I don't profess to know how that could be accomplished. Especially if Chuck etc al continue to be violently against anything related to personal responsibility.
    I could add. He was from a different culture. Overseas. But it didn't come with a members only card. Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Jan 13, 2023 | 18:19 77
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Finally someone who agreed first nations got a shitty deal! We are making progress. At least you didn't agree with "personal responsibility" is the only issue BS.

    Whats wrong with having the discussion about how many people don't really know the history of what happened nor do they know the current issues that are still making it difficult for first nations to succeed?

    Without that discussion its hard to move to forward with solutions with people who's first thought is to blame first nations for all their problems.

    Its a shared responsibility.
    Sharing is not a one way street.
    I don't see anyone in the middle on this actually. Reply With Quote
    Jan 13, 2023 | 18:34 78
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    That is the really unfortunate part. FAS is a huge hurdle to even attempt to overcome. No amount of money or opportunity or apologies is ever going to right that wrong.
    And trying to hold me and my ancestors responsible for the actions of the current generations isn't going to help.
    Breaking that vicious cycle would probably be the most productive step possible. And I don't profess to know how that could be accomplished. Especially if Chuck etc al continue to be violently against anything related to personal responsibility.
    FAS is insidious and papas sperm if he’s drunk supposedly contributes as well. Oh no! Wonder how pronounced FAS is in the Russians especially Siberia. Sensible undamaged people are known to make poor decisions let alone FAS affected. Read a stat that 85% of native gang members were FAS affected. Perfect foot soldiers for the Posse and related gangs. Local rez has been dry forever. We kept cows on rez and not far off as well. Lots of party sites back in the bush. Elders and well meaning folks try but families have trouble keeping kids away from gangs. Same Rez though dry is bad for drugs and murders. One instance guy was bumped off on the road off the Rez they cut off his face and smeared on his windshield. Don’t get me wrong a lot of folks work off Rez or on the Rez in the patch. Lots of employment opportunities. They’re trying but between gangs, drugs, and half corrupt leaders it’s tough. A lot of people send their kids to school in the city for a better education and less negative influences. Reply With Quote
    Jan 13, 2023 | 18:59 79
    Quote Originally Posted by WiltonRanch View Post
    A lot of people send their kids to school in the city for a better education and less negative influences.
    Didn't some well meaning educators try something like that in the past too? Reply With Quote

  • Jan 15, 2023 | 09:06 80
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    That is the really unfortunate part. FAS is a huge hurdle to even attempt to overcome. No amount of money or opportunity or apologies is ever going to right that wrong.
    And trying to hold me and my ancestors responsible for the actions of the current generations isn't going to help.
    Breaking that vicious cycle would probably be the most productive step possible. And I don't profess to know how that could be accomplished. Especially if Chuck etc al continue to be violently against anything related to personal responsibility.
    More exaggeration? LOL Do you understand what shared responsibility means? It includes personal responsibility.

    Many of the problems are current issues.

    And we already know that many people blame first nations for all their problems denying the situation many first nations experienced.

    But then forget about the things we heard and experienced when Gerald Stanley shot and killed Colton Boushie. It was blatant racism.

    Even the Premier had to warn that a lot of the racism crossed the line.

    So we all share some responsibility for the problems and current state of affairs even though many on the right would like to deflect, dismiss and deny. Reply With Quote
    cropgrower's Avatar Jan 15, 2023 | 09:09 81 you still have not told us what will fix everything for them
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    Jan 15, 2023 | 09:16 82 First thing stop the racism and denial. And there is nothing or no one that will fix everything.

    First nations have many of the solutions themselves. Are you listening to them and do you support them? Reply With Quote
    cropgrower's Avatar Jan 15, 2023 | 09:45 83 everybody is equal to me , and you have no right to call me rasist , i dont care what colour sombodys skin is , live within the law and make a living by honest means , i wish them all the best Reply With Quote

  • jazz's Avatar Jan 15, 2023 | 10:19 84 CG, as you can see, nothing starts with a solution with a marxist lunatic like chuck until you denounce yourself, admit you are a racist and deplorable human being and that you and all your family continue to commit genocide on a global scale.

    So basically conversation over before it begins.

    Good luck on your woke crusade chuck. You are on your own. Take it up with the govt not us. But private land stays private and reparations are not happening if thats what you are angling for. Govt owns 89% of the land in canada. Let them give a few million km2 back first.
    Last edited by jazz; Jan 15, 2023 at 10:22.
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  • Jan 15, 2023 | 12:24 85 Yeah our friend comes here with an agenda. There is little discussion except defending his point or when you agree he finds more ways to scold people. I know some just like him in fact I think he knows them quite well and they are of the same ilk. Just looking for the next cause to throw themselves at to stroke their hero complex or differentiate themselves from all the pillocks. Like a JW getting hero points for every door closed in their face it only fuels their desire to push whatever narrative they support until people are forced to believe. Reply With Quote

  • cropgrower's Avatar Jan 15, 2023 | 12:57 86 yes if we are white we are rasist , our skin colour is all it takes Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 16, 2023 | 08:00 87 Are you guys saying racism doesnt exist or have a negative impact on the lives of many people?

    And I didn't call anyone specific a racist, so why are you so sensitive to what is a well known issue?

    More denial and deflection? Because you don't want to admit racism is real?

    You asked for solutions but when I suggested one that involves all of us you don't agree.

    Personal and systemic racism exists against first nations. What are you going to do to reduce racism? Reply With Quote
    cropgrower's Avatar Jan 16, 2023 | 09:25 88 notting because as i said before everybody is equal to me , what about all the hate and name calling that has been hurled at them that decided not to take useless jab ? and you crapchuck have been forefront at that , is one type of hate OK and another not ? Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 17, 2023 | 08:49 90 I guess you think there is no racism against fisrt nations or people of colour then? LOL Reply With Quote