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Jan 10, 2023 | 08:15
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Easy to say Tom because you probably had all the privilege of growing up in a stable family, with a good home, education and a supportive successful community that didn't have as many social problems to overcome.
Now try to imagine what it is like for many first nations children who through no choice of their own live in a dysfunctional family and community with poorer educational opportunities and then are expected to succeed while facing system racism in the wider community?
If it was just a lack of personal responsibility then explain how taking kids away from their family and culture and forcing children into often abusive residential schools was their personal responsibility? Residential school survivors have well documented the experience and outcomes.
But you are blaming the individual without acknowledging the other forces at work.
Its pretty clear that people no matter who they are, who are poor, who grow up in families and communities that have a lot of social problems and obstacles to success are often trapped.
Of course there are many success stories amongst the many first nations who struggle.
But you have to see the big picture and stop with the overly simplistic explanation that is simply wrong.
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Jan 10, 2023 | 08:27
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As long as you use history as a crutch,you never walk on two feet.
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Jan 10, 2023 | 08:46
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 Originally Posted by kANOLA
As long as you use history as a crutch,you never walk on two feet.
Another overly simplistic uninformed view? LOL
Whats happening now on first nations is not history!
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Jan 10, 2023 | 10:23
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Sounds like that white privilege card getting heavy to carry.
Are you ever going to post solutions?
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Jan 10, 2023 | 13:23
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I’ll post a basic solution. Chuck you’re right it’s a complex situation but you’re as much part of the problem as the rest of it doing nothing or trying the same things which don’t work. I’ve said this countless times education is paramount. Showing up to school is step one. Building pride and a positive personal mindset is another. For those trapped in some fly in shithole with no prospects is no good. Neither is being on a reserve trapped by family situations, lack of education, crime, corruption, or no mental wherewithal to get out. It’s no different than an inner city hood. If it takes building some cultural awareness and pride in oneself by all means. However, blaming previous generations and calling everyone colonizers does nothing for anyone. 40 years later it’s still the same if not worse. No one is going back to Europe and no one is going back to living like they did 150 years ago. It is complex to fix but the rubber needs to hit the road and both sides need to contribute to the solution or it then looks like another failed attempt by the white man to right wrongs done years ago.
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Jan 10, 2023 | 13:59
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Originally Posted by blackpowder
Sounds like that white privilege card getting heavy to carry.
Are you ever going to post solutions?
hey, i know one
make chiefs and councils accountable for the massive amounts of money that never makes it to the good citizens on reserves
wonder why no one has ever thought of doing that ? wait now .........
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Jan 10, 2023 | 22:44
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Originally Posted by caseih
hey, i know one
make chiefs and councils accountable for the massive amounts of money that never makes it to the good citizens on reserves
wonder why no one has ever thought of doing that ? wait now .........
Chiefs family treated one way, the weak underlings treated much differently - maybe?
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Jan 11, 2023 | 00:46
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I have a neighbour [CPA] that did audits in NWT ... during the Harper years. A little accountability in budgets and how funds were spent... went a long way to guiding leadership in their northern communities.
JT soon ended that... and the gong shows returned in short order. Sad.
We get the governments and leadership we deserve/elect... what we sow... we reap. Universal application....
Liberals historically are 'looking' for 'low hanging fruit' on election day in native communities.
Blessings and Wisdom to those folks... it is a wild struggle to administrate those funds fairly... when JT boasts 'the budget balances itself'.
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Jan 11, 2023 | 08:02
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For sure accountability on many reserves is lacking.
But so is governance and accountability in some RMs. Should the provincial government enforce more accountability at the RM level because in many cases there is almost no understanding of what conflict of interest means. Most Councillors would complain like hell if the province stepped in.
Again its not just a question of accountability with first nations. Many of you including Tom fail to understand that the problems facing first nations goes well beyond the running of reserves.
Systemic racism in the wider community is one of the problems. Along with under funding of housing, infrastructure, education and healthcare.
It is a shared responsibility.
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Jan 11, 2023 | 08:28
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
For sure accountability on many reserves is lacking.
But so is governance and accountability in some RMs. Should the provincial government enforce more accountability at the RM level because in many cases there is almost no understanding of what conflict of interest means. Most Councillors would complain like hell if the province stepped in.
Again its not just a question of accountability with first nations. Many of you including Tom fail to understand that the problems facing first nations goes well beyond the running of reserves.
Systemic racism in the wider community is one of the problems. Along with under funding of housing, infrastructure, education and healthcare.
It is a shared responsibility.
Which side is raised and taught to detest the other side? That needs to stop. Good luck with that.
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Jan 11, 2023 | 08:32
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Even with the obvious problems at RM'S they are the most accountable for our tax dollars we provide.
Please don't get the federal or provincial governments any more involved as that never makes thing more efficient.
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Jan 11, 2023 | 08:35
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That is what reconciliation is about.
And the younger generations are learning the history and stories and attitudes are changing on both sides.
When Conservative Steve Harper made that apology for residential schools it was a watershed moment.
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Jan 11, 2023 | 08:55
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Some interesting hypocrisy from the left related to this topic in the news lately.
Friedland is publicly upset that people keep bringing up her Nazi grandfather.
And I happen to agree with her on this one. It is not fair to smear her with the crimes of her grandfather from 80 years ago.
However, as we see from the discourse on this thread, all white people are being accused of the crimes of our ancestors. Even white people whose ancestors weren't even in this country when these crimes took place.
In both cases, it is not fair to judge the actions by the standards of today. It is not hard to understand how ethnic ukrainians could have had sympathies for the Nazis as the lesser of the two evils, after all they had been through at the hands of the soviets. What a terrible situation to be in, you have to choose allegiances, between two different monsters.
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Jan 11, 2023 | 09:11
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
That is what reconciliation is about.
And the younger generations are learning the history and stories and attitudes are changing on both sides.
When Conservative Steve Harper made that apology for residential schools it was a watershed moment.
Nothing changed. Since the apology, it’s gotten worse. The apology meant nothing to one side, nothing at all.
Revised history is different than true history.
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Jan 11, 2023 | 09:22
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These people must have been at your place yesterday Chuck.
You have a very clear view of what is going on out at the rez.
But maybe viewed from a long ways away.
More the big picture?
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Jan 11, 2023 | 09:22
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[QUOTE=chuckChuck;557679]Easy to say Tom because you probably had all the privilege of growing up in a stable family, with a good home, education and a supportive successful community that didn't have as many social problems to overcome.
Yes, you are right, we live what we are taught. There is a genuine will in the native community amongst some to live a good life and that should be supported. You just have to look around and see both good and bad in all communities. The other day I had to slip a poor white guy a nice Uk Xmas present cause he was so destitute. We do care about our fellow man but we can’t do everything for them. Our welfare system is there to look after unfortunates and some depend on that safety net. And that’s fine but some are striving to overcome the effects of their upbringing and that too must be supported. I’d rather support the natives who need help before others.
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Jan 12, 2023 | 08:10
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Its not just the history of mal treatment of fist nations, it's the current treatment and systemic racism as well.
But of course a lot of conservatives want to make it an issue of personal responsibilty and blame fisrt nations instead of accepting that we created a lot of the problems and continue to cause a lot of the problems.
Its a case of blaming the victim instead of admitting we were and are complicit as a society of mistreating first nations.
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Jan 12, 2023 | 08:39
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well i grew up in ireland , i am certainaly not to blame for anything that was done to the first nations folk here , in fact the irish folk had terrible things done to them also
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Jan 12, 2023 | 08:46
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Hiring natives to tin my barn roof is for sure “systemic racism”.
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Jan 12, 2023 | 08:56
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And the Irish did terrible things to themselves as well.
Look beyond your own experience and try to see the world from someone else perspective.
Its starts with understanding the history and current situation.
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Jan 12, 2023 | 09:13
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you dont have a clue what you are talking about
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Jan 12, 2023 | 09:15
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And the Irish did terrible things to themselves as well.
as did the natives (i.e. comanche)
Last edited by caseih; Jan 12, 2023 at 09:22.
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Jan 12, 2023 | 09:53
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
And the Irish did terrible things to themselves as well.
Look beyond your own experience and try to see the world from someone else perspective.
Its starts with understanding the history and current situation.
It starts at home , no matter what nationality , race , whatever
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Jan 12, 2023 | 12:14
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Originally Posted by furrowtickler
It starts at home , no matter what nationality , race , whatever
Post of the year thus far.
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Jan 12, 2023 | 13:10
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Since no one here has a solution that is satisfactory to you Chuck why don’t you tell us your solution?
I don’t know why you started this? We all know the natives got a shitty deal and I am sure everyone on this site would change it if we could.
If you can’t offer any better solution then shut up!
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Jan 12, 2023 | 14:07
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Gee dad when i grow up i wanna be a doctor. Gee dad i wanna be a fireman. Gee dad i wanna be a millwright. Gee dad i wanna be a career criminal.
i have a good indigenous friend hes a truck driver hauls cattle his wife works. They own there own magnificent house and part of rodeo scene.
His son works in mining. His daugher just left school and she wants to become a lawyer for indigenous people. She just landed her first job as shop assistant in local chemist before she starts university.
Some how parents mind set is different and so are the kids.
They should be a case study.
Dad was in jail or juvenille detention at either 13 or 14
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Jan 12, 2023 | 16:10
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Originally Posted by Landdownunder
Gee dad when i grow up i wanna be a doctor. Gee dad i wanna be a fireman. Gee dad i wanna be a millwright. Gee dad i wanna be a career criminal.
i have a good indigenous friend hes a truck driver hauls cattle his wife works. They own there own magnificent house and part of rodeo scene.
His son works in mining. His daugher just left school and she wants to become a lawyer for indigenous people. She just landed her first job as shop assistant in local chemist before she starts university.
Some how parents mind set is different and so are the kids.
They should be a case study.
Dad was in jail or juvenille detention at either 13 or 14
There are many like that here as well , but they get shunned by their own .
Much like chuck shuns all those around him he deems more successful than him . It’s a mindset , they despise success of others .
Quite sad actually
Make your own path , and show your kids how to stay on that path , don’t let others drag you down
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Jan 12, 2023 | 17:29
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Another overly simplistic uninformed view? LOL
Whats happening now on first nations is not history!
It’s funny when I mention history it has nothing to do with First Nations issues,but all you talk about is history in your last three or four posts kind of a hypocrite.
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Jan 12, 2023 | 19:24
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CC… the Reformation of economics for First Nations ,PM Harper started , was historically progressive….
PM Trudeau ended constructive economic and leadership reformation… yet I get the insinuation from you CC… that the Conservatives initiative was not genuine….???
Blessings and Salutations
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