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Nov 27, 2022 | 11:33
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Didn't realize there was EV at that time. 
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Nov 27, 2022 | 19:46
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I do believe Jay Leno has a few antique EVs. I just googled it and one looks like the pic you shared.
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Nov 27, 2022 | 21:02
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 Originally Posted by Partners
Didn't realize there was EV at that time.
shit , i didn't either ??
range on a charge abut the same as now!
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Nov 28, 2022 | 08:48
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The EVs of yesterday are like the thinking of many posters on Agrisilly. Out of date and irrelevant to the 21st century. LOL
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Nov 28, 2022 | 09:05
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
The EVs of yesterday are like the thinking of many posters on Agrisilly. Out of date and irrelevant to the 21st century. LOL
Not unlike the CWB ….. LOL
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Nov 28, 2022 | 09:58
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
The EVs of yesterday are like the thinking of many posters on Agrisilly. Out of date and irrelevant to the 21st century. LOL
Just shows you we are going full circle.
EV was tried.
Wind chargers and wind mills were here in the 50's..
Oh ya climate change was also in those yrs..
People worked hard to get to where we are now..
But you want to go in reverse..
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Nov 28, 2022 | 10:53
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College in Nunavut, roof covered in solar panels, for a year...not ONE watt generated!
Dumb and dumber, dumbest are green left libtard covidiots.
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Nov 28, 2022 | 12:57
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absolutely f u c k i n amazing !
grants woulda been huge !
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Nov 28, 2022 | 17:07
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Originally Posted by fjlip
College in Nunavut, roof covered in solar panels, for a year...not ONE watt generated!
Dumb and dumber, dumbest are green left libtard covidiots.
https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/...qaluit-QEC-NNC
Disagreement with the utiities about using the grid as free storage. And how much that will drive up costs to all the other electricity users.
I seem to recall explaining this to Chuck many times in the past.
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Nov 28, 2022 | 18:54
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Originally Posted by furrowtickler
Not unlike the CWB ….. LOL
Not quite, the CWB was never relevant in any century.
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Nov 28, 2022 | 19:09
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Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5
don't think it sunk in , lol
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Nov 28, 2022 | 22:11
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Originally Posted by caseih
don't think it sunk in , lol
I don't think anything sinks in with this one.
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Nov 29, 2022 | 08:04
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And the flat earthers don't even read the whole article! They can only think of the negative because Canada is a shithole country don't you know. LOL
https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/features/diesel-solar-wind-electricity-remote-Iqaluit-QEC-NNC
"Remote communities take action
Despite these challenges, some remote Canadian communities are beginning to slash their diesel use.
In Old Crow, Yukon, a community about 130 kilometres north of the Arctic Circle, a solar project provides about 25 per cent of the electricity and reduces the amount of diesel they need to fly in by almost 200,000 litres. The community continues to rely on its own isolated grid.
After construction was completed in 2021, the diesel power plant went silent during the summer months for the first time in 50 years.
Jay Massie describes it as “a beautiful silence in the community.” Most importantly, he says, the lights are still on.
He’s the vice-president of northern development and Indigenous relations with ATCO Electric, which built the project and buys the electricity. He’s also a member of the Ta’an Kwäch’än Council in Whitehorse.
A close-up shot of solar panels.
A sign on the side of a building welcomes visitors to the community of Old Crow, Yukon.
Old Crow's solar farm is made up of over 2,000 panels, a 616kW battery energy storage system and micro-grid controller to help power the community of about 235 people. The panels provide about a quarter of the community's electricity needs. (CBC)
There were challenges with construction in such a secluded location, he said, but the solar facility is working as expected. Similar projects are now being designed for three other remote communities in the territory.
The Vuntut Gwitchin First Nation owns the facility and earned about $400,000 in profits in the first year, which was re-invested in the community. Utility rates have remained unchanged.
Batteries are overcoming any intermittency issues, Massie says, and storage technology will have an important role to play for years to come as renewable energy expands to other remote communities in Canada.
There was a time when I didn’t believe 25 per cent [renewables] was going to happen. So yes, I do believe at some point 100 per cent is going to be able to happen from renewables.
Jay Massie, vice-president of northern development and Indigenous relations with ATCO Electric
For now, renewables can help reduce diesel use, he says, and maybe one day they will allow communities to shut off their diesel power plants entirely.
“There was a time when I didn’t believe 25 per cent [renewables] was going to happen. So yes, I do believe at some point 100 per cent is going to be able to happen from renewables,” he said.
“The key item in these communities is how we store that energy so it’s able to be used right when we need it.”
In Old Crow, the community is now exploring the development of a wind farm."
Last edited by chuckChuck; Nov 29, 2022 at 16:40.
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Nov 29, 2022 | 16:44
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Hey where did all the complainers and shit holers go after I posted the whole story about how renewables are starting to replace diesel generators and providing alot of electrcity in some communities in the north?
Maybe they are busy on their party lines or sitting in their outdoor toilets reading the Eatons catalogue for Christmas shopping? LOL
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Nov 29, 2022 | 17:58
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A population of 221 in 2016, with solar available part of the year.
A start to be sure, but more of a research size than a commercial test.
And limitless space for the solar/wind generation units for a fairly small demand.
Sorry, looks like nuclear the solution so far.
Last edited by blackpowder; Nov 29, 2022 at 18:04.
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Nov 29, 2022 | 18:27
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Hey where did all the complainers and shit holers go after I posted the whole story about how renewables are starting to replace diesel generators and providing alot of electrcity in some communities in the north?
Maybe they are busy on their party lines or sitting in their outdoor toilets reading the Eatons catalogue for Christmas shopping? LOL
Or trying to figure out when their CWB instalment is coming on their grain they sold them 9 months ago that joe public thought was a subsidy
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Nov 29, 2022 | 18:34
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You neglected to mention $6.5 million price tag funded by govt’s (taxpayers)
I bet they haven’t calculated in $520000/year interest into this feel good story
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Nov 29, 2022 | 20:52
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Maybe they are busy on their party lines or sitting in their outdoor toilets reading the Eatons catalogue for Christmas shopping? LOL
It'll be a cheap Christmas for me, most of the pages in my catalogue are gone, but I do see an Etch-a-Sketch for $5.39, the nephew might like.
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Nov 30, 2022 | 08:30
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I see Case is firmly stuck in the past and still can't move on from issues that are long in the past. Kinda like most of his other thinking.
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Nov 30, 2022 | 09:11
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like trying to resurrect the windmills that were on every Sask farm in the 30's & 40's , and were scrapped when reliable power came about
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Nov 30, 2022 | 09:40
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Originally Posted by caseih
like trying to resurrect the windmills that were on every Sask farm in the 30's & 40's , and were scrapped when reliable power came about
It's easy to brain wash people who didn't live through it..
Same people who are banning plastic and going paper.
Thought we were all about saving the trees yrs ago?
Another full circle..
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Nov 30, 2022 | 12:37
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Hey where did all the complainers and shit holers go after I posted the whole story about how renewables are starting to replace diesel generators and providing alot of electrcity in some communities in the north?
Maybe they are busy on their party lines or sitting in their outdoor toilets reading the Eatons catalogue for Christmas shopping? LOL
I'm actually on your side on this one. In a community with no connection to the broader grid, that relies on diesel fuel being brought in by ship, or barge or ice roads, or worst case, by air, anything that can reduce diesel usage is a benefit.
Turning off the generators in the middle of summer, and relying on solar is great.
Where we diverge, is using the grid as storage.
The articles I read indicated that a homeowner can sell their solar generation to the diesel powered grid and buy it back at par throughout the year. The utility scale solar wants to do the same thing.
Can you see any issues with this arrangement in a latitude with almost no daylight for months on end, and almost 24 hour dayight for months on end?
So everyone in town installs enough solar panels to generate their annual needs. ANd they sell all that surplus back to the grid all summer. Then they all draw it back out again at the same price all winter. No one pays any net power bills, just a credit all summer, and use it up all winter.
Who pays for the diesel fuel?
It's a dog chasing its own tail.
Any guesses as to what time of year has the highest electricity consumption in a cold dark place that uses electric heat?
Any guesses how much electicity you need in the summer in a place with almost 24 hour dayight, no need for AC, no need for heating, and no industry?
It only works if we accept that the solar being sold back into the grid has zero value, since there is no viable scalable economical grid scale storage. And almost no value for the solar power during the time of year when the sun is shining.
But if we go that route, then the payback on the solar installation makes the diesel fuel look cheap.
It works great if a few percent of the users want to do this. It is completely impossible on any scale larger than that.
Remember when we did the math on the cost of energy storage for seasonal use? Seasonal storage cannot and does not exist.
Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Nov 30, 2022 at 15:20.
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Nov 30, 2022 | 17:42
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I wonder why they didn’t go wind instead ?
I worked in the NWT and the wind never stops there
So much so that even on a sunny day blowing snow nearly blocks the sun when it makes an appearance
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Nov 30, 2022 | 17:44
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Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5
I'm actually on your side on this one. In a community with no connection to the broader grid, that relies on diesel fuel being brought in by ship, or barge or ice roads, or worst case, by air, anything that can reduce diesel usage is a benefit.
Turning off the generators in the middle of summer, and relying on solar is great.
Where we diverge, is using the grid as storage.
The articles I read indicated that a homeowner can sell their solar generation to the diesel powered grid and buy it back at par throughout the year. The utility scale solar wants to do the same thing.
Can you see any issues with this arrangement in a latitude with almost no daylight for months on end, and almost 24 hour dayight for months on end?
So everyone in town installs enough solar panels to generate their annual needs. ANd they sell all that surplus back to the grid all summer. Then they all draw it back out again at the same price all winter. No one pays any net power bills, just a credit all summer, and use it up all winter.
Who pays for the diesel fuel?
It's a dog chasing its own tail.
Any guesses as to what time of year has the highest electricity consumption in a cold dark place that uses electric heat?
Any guesses how much electicity you need in the summer in a place with almost 24 hour dayight, no need for AC, no need for heating, and no industry?
It only works if we accept that the solar being sold back into the grid has zero value, since there is no viable scalable economical grid scale storage. And almost no value for the solar power during the time of year when the sun is shining.
But if we go that route, then the payback on the solar installation makes the diesel fuel look cheap.
It works great if a few percent of the users want to do this. It is completely impossible on any scale larger than that.
Remember when we did the math on the cost of energy storage for seasonal use? Seasonal storage cannot and does not exist.
Geez AF
Details not allowed
You know that
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Dec 2, 2022 | 12:53
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Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5
I'm actually on your side on this one. In a community with no connection to the broader grid, that relies on diesel fuel being brought in by ship, or barge or ice roads, or worst case, by air, anything that can reduce diesel usage is a benefit.
Turning off the generators in the middle of summer, and relying on solar is great.
Where we diverge, is using the grid as storage.
The articles I read indicated that a homeowner can sell their solar generation to the diesel powered grid and buy it back at par throughout the year. The utility scale solar wants to do the same thing.
Can you see any issues with this arrangement in a latitude with almost no daylight for months on end, and almost 24 hour dayight for months on end?
So everyone in town installs enough solar panels to generate their annual needs. ANd they sell all that surplus back to the grid all summer. Then they all draw it back out again at the same price all winter. No one pays any net power bills, just a credit all summer, and use it up all winter.
Who pays for the diesel fuel?
It's a dog chasing its own tail.
Any guesses as to what time of year has the highest electricity consumption in a cold dark place that uses electric heat?
Any guesses how much electicity you need in the summer in a place with almost 24 hour dayight, no need for AC, no need for heating, and no industry?
It only works if we accept that the solar being sold back into the grid has zero value, since there is no viable scalable economical grid scale storage. And almost no value for the solar power during the time of year when the sun is shining.
But if we go that route, then the payback on the solar installation makes the diesel fuel look cheap.
It works great if a few percent of the users want to do this. It is completely impossible on any scale larger than that.
Remember when we did the math on the cost of energy storage for seasonal use? Seasonal storage cannot and does not exist.
Just thought I should bump this up so Chuck can respond. His opinions on matters have been much in demand lately, and he probably missed it.
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Dec 3, 2022 | 08:27
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Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5
Just thought I should bump this up so Chuck can respond. His opinions on matters have been much in demand lately, and he probably missed it.
Pumped storage into reservoirs for hydro is one storage method already in use.
Compressed air driven turbines is another storage option already in use.
Converting solar and wind to ammonia is another option that is ready for commercialization in Canada and Australia
And batteries have a role to play in stabilizing supply as well. Already in use.
To say that renewables don't work or wont play a big part in our energy future is crap and you know it.
Alberta is proving you wrong every day leading the country in new renewable capacity growth.
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Dec 3, 2022 | 09:03
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Pumped storage into reservoirs for hydro is one storage method already in use.
Compressed air driven turbines is another storage option already in use.
Converting solar and wind to ammonia is another option that is ready for commercialization in Canada and Australia
And batteries have a role to play in stabilizing supply as well. Already in use.
To say that renewables don't work or wont play a big part in our energy future is crap and you know it.
Alberta is proving you wrong every day leading the country in new renewable capacity growth.
Another word salad Justin Trudeauesque answer. Just keep pumping out the talking points with little basis on reality. Yup Alberta keeps adding solar and wind capacity but as I have shown you with actual production numbers capacity doesn’t always equal production. As for making electricity cheaper with all this new renewable capacity, yesterday’s pool price for generation fluctuated between 10.7 cents a kilowatt to 99.9 cents a kilowatt at roughly 5 pm. Looks like all that renewable capacity is paying off, Chuck2 keep spewing out the virtue signalling talking points lol!
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Dec 3, 2022 | 09:05
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Good article on electric cars in the Financial Post Dec. 1 by Bjorn Lomberg: “The muddled reality of electric cars.” A good read.
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Dec 3, 2022 | 10:21
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Originally Posted by chuckChuck
Pumped storage into reservoirs for hydro is one storage method already in use.
Compressed air driven turbines is another storage option already in use.
Converting solar and wind to ammonia is another option that is ready for commercialization in Canada and Australia
And batteries have a role to play in stabilizing supply as well. Already in use.
To say that renewables don't work or wont play a big part in our energy future is crap and you know it.
Alberta is proving you wrong every day leading the country in new renewable capacity growth.
We were discussing remote northern communities installing solar. And the need for season long storage for that energy. And you announce that batteries are a solution. Remember when we destroyed that argument with the fact that seasonal storage with any known battery technology was going to cost more than the entire economic output of the country for multiple years?
Pumped hydro is still the only viable storage. And I just checked, and both the communities you brought up, old crow and iqaluit have significant elevation differences close by, and water. Could work. Of course, using water above ground year around in an acrtic environment won't present any complications with freezing. And digging reservoirs and creating dams in bed rock and permafrost is easy. And hauling in the equipment and fuel and building materials into a place like Old Crow with no roads, or Iqaluit with only very brief access by water, will be cheap and easy. Except, your very own NFU, and most first nations seem to be violently opposed to any type of hydro reservoirs, but I'm sure that is nothing that a few decades of consultations and bribes won't fix. Have you done the math as to how much water would be required to store enough energy for most of a year, even for a small village?
And that is the easy option. Now you propose to set up compresses air driven turbines and enough air storage for almost a year in a place with no roads? And build an ammonia production plant, almost a years worth of storage, and the power plant to convert it back into usable energy in a place with no roads?
Do the laws of physics, or even economics exist in your universe, or have they all been repealed?
Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Dec 3, 2022 at 10:52.
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