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    Curly Moe Can't do math

    Sask. policy paper's financial analysis not credible, economist says

    Adam Hunter · CBC News · Posted: Oct 13, 2022 5:00 AM CT | Last Updated: 3 hours ago

    Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe says the analysis on the cost of climate policies done by the province's Ministry of Finance is 'bang on,' but one economist says the government is exaggerating the numbers and omitting certain factors. (Liam Richards/The Canadian Press)

    A University of Calgary economist says the Saskatchewan government's claim that federal climate change policies will cost the economy $111 billion is not credible.

    "I think that analysis turned out to be incredibly weak and so I think serious individuals shouldn't put a lot of weight in those numbers," Trevor Tombe said.

    On Tuesday, the provincial government released a policy paper titled Drawing the Line: Defending Saskatchewan's Economic Autonomy.

    Premier Scott Moe discussed the paper during an event hosted by the Battlefords and District Chamber of Commerce.

    The 18-page document lists four options for the province to increase its autonomy, but the first section contains a claim that nine federal climate change policies will cost the economy $111 billion by 2035. The government said the provincial Ministry of Finance did the cost analysis.

    University of Calgary economist Trevor Tombe said the government's analysis is well off the mark.

    "The headline estimate here of $8.8 billion on average per year is massive, suggesting that federal climate policy will shrink Saskatchewan's economy by nearly 10 per cent, which is insane and completely un-credible."

    Tombe said the government's analysis makes a lot of assumptions while also omitting several factors.

    "They estimate [the federal carbon tax] will have a cost to Saskatchewan between now and 2035 of approximately $25 billion. But with that policy, they are ignoring that the revenue that it raises is not lit on fire. [It is] returned to Saskatchewan residents through these lump sum credits that people now receive quarterly," he said.

    "Right there alone, the estimate put forward by the Saskatchewan government ignores the rebates and so that makes the cost of that particular policy [in the paper] way larger than it actually is."


    Tombe said the government also omits factors when it comes to zero-emissions vehicles.

    "This is a policy that the federal government has still not fully worked out the details of, and the white paper presumes that purchasing electric vehicles will cost everyone $19,000 more than what they would have otherwise spent, and ignores the fact that there's lower operating costs on average for electric vehicles than there is for gasoline-powered vehicles because you don't need to purchase the fuel anymore."

    Tombe said there is a cost to the economy in meeting environmental policy goals, but not to the scale the Saskatchewan government is suggesting.

    "There is a cost, no question. I don't take issue with the generic claim that meeting environmental goals will come with financial and economic costs," Tombe said.

    He estimated that the cumulative total effect on the economy by 2030 would be closer to one per cent.

    "These are real costs for sure, but it's important that we don't exaggerate them, especially in enormous amounts, like what is done in this white paper."
    Last edited by chuckChuck; Oct 13, 2022, 07:50.

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    Moe throws out a real stink bomb of manipulated numbers that are not credible and he thinks that he will get a free ride without answering for why he left out so many calculations that grossly inflated the imaginary deficit. LOL
    Last edited by chuckChuck; Oct 13, 2022, 07:57.

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      #3
      Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
      Moe throws out a real stink bomb of manipulated numbers that are not credible and he thinks that he will get a free ride without answering for why he left out so many calculations that grossly inflated the imaginary deficit. LOL
      I just read this article this morning by Peter Shawn Taylor in the financial post discussing the costs of the plastics ban implemented by Stephen Guilbeault. “According to a federal cost-benefit study published in the Canada Gazette, the plastic ban promises benefits of $619 million and costs of $1.95 billion, for a net outcome of minus $1.3 billion. As calculated by the bureaucracy itself, the plastic ban is a certifiable failure.” I am sure if the same cost benefit analysis was done on the federal carbon tax the results would be similar.

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        #4
        MMT isnt credible either but that didnt stop us from trying it and egghead economists endorsing it.

        I say all the power to Moe, forge ahead, ignore all commies and marxists.

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          #5
          Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
          Moe throws out a real stink bomb of manipulated numbers that are not credible and he thinks that he will get a free ride without answering for why he left out so many calculations that grossly inflated the imaginary deficit. LOL
          and true dope ?

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            #6
            Perhaps Chuck. But shall we discuss the decoupling from oil our dollar has suffered under Trudope?
            How do you like buying fuel priced off USD in our money? Oh right, doesn't matter as long as we stay constantly mortified about impending weather doom.
            That sick idiot has cost us far far more. But because "nothing good has ever come out of Alberta" it's alright for people like you and him to keep spreading nonsense.
            Go get your own podcast.

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              #7
              Courtesy CBC “news”.

              Alt left.
              All the time.

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                #8
                Chuck, we have been down this road before. Once again you are bringing up the myth that it will be cheaper to drive an EV than a gas vehicle. Not long ago I posted an article here indicating that it was costing more to charge the EV than an equivalent gas vehicle.

                And that was not even taken into account that the burden of the road taxes will eventually be tacked on top of the EV charging costs, let alone the costs of the infrastructure to charge them.

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                  #9
                  Not to mention a $20000 USD battery replacement

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                    #10
                    It's very simple and has never been addressed. You have driven out foreign investment dollars without a replacement. Are you selling power or ev tech? No, you're still selling raw materials, that you have vilified.
                    Food, Energy, =Power.
                    Never once touches on this.
                    Yet keep up the shilly shally as if you're getting a political appointment.
                    You have successfully brain washed the general population in certain parts.
                    What a source of negative energy you are.
                    You certainly wouldn't run the farm you inherited the way you run our economy for long.

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                      #11
                      Not to mention all your "taxes" on fuel and fertilizer aren't funding replacements. Just general revenue to buy votes from the believers.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
                        Moe throws out a real stink bomb of manipulated numbers that are not credible and he thinks that he will get a free ride without answering for why he left out so many calculations that grossly inflated the imaginary deficit. LOL
                        Speaking from experience chuck of throwing out manipulating numbers and grossly exaggerated info ??



                        Supply management still in place , Medicare still in place , CBC still here bought and paid for with tax payers money twice over
                        And never would have 75% of farmers would have ever voted to keep the CWB .

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
                          Speaking from experience chuck of throwing out manipulating numbers and grossly exaggerated info ??



                          Supply management still in place , Medicare still in place , CBC still here bought and paid for with tax payers money twice over
                          And never would have 75% of farmers would have ever voted to keep the CWB .
                          And what makes that even funnier coming from chuck. Is that I think it was Larry who indicated that Chuck himself while with the CWB who had done their own fraudulent poll which completely fudged the numbers.
                          Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Oct 13, 2022, 16:27.

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                            #14
                            Click those heels together as you goose-step mf.

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                              #15
                              I see nobody is defending Moe's math!

                              Curly has the gall to say the carbon tax is a massive drain on the economy and never mentions that most of the direct consumer carbon tax comes back to Saskatchewan residents and is circulating back in the economy.

                              And he forgot he had a duty to officially consult with First Nations who did not cede resource rights under their treaties.

                              He said he consulted with citizens aka "party supporters". LOL

                              Moe and company are not very good at cooking the books. Just like they decided to send everyone $500 bucks whether they needed it or not instead of spending the $450 million in a more responsible way.
                              Last edited by chuckChuck; Oct 14, 2022, 06:47.

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