In actual grain markets…

[TOM4CWB]

The CWB had producer oversight, so there was some insight into actual sales. Now there is zero transparency in the so called free market controlled by a few benevolent grain companies.

Over 60% of CWB sales were made by the grain companies… in fact the CWB incentives were profitable to them…

There is transparency now… called making a few phone calls… as farmers have never had more choices of where and how, at the time it suits them… to choose who and what markets to supply!

You know better Aggie..

Cheers

[agstar77]

Over 60% of CWB sales were made by the grain companies… in fact the CWB incentives were profitable to them…

There is transparency now… called making a few phone calls… as farmers have never had more choices of where and how, at the time it suits them… to choose who and what markets to supply!

You know better Aggie..

Cheers

Comedian T4 you know better. Squabbling over crumbs the grain companies offer you. Are you not selling internationally?

[TOM4CWB]

Comedian T4 you know better. Squabbling over crumbs the grain companies offer you. Are you not selling internationally?

Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt… it is alive and well in western Canada… but..still…???

You can sell to anyone on the planet now Aggie… if there is an absorbent profit …

We have had more opportunities to sell and market our grain… end consumers, ingredient suppliers, grain merchants…relationships and integrity… key ingredients to learning when find opportunities that are fair for everyone!

When opportunities knock… the wisdom to understand meeting the needs of our customers… brings prosperity to all who choose integrity over greed!

Cheers

[TOM4CWB]

The CWB had producer oversight, so there was some insight into actual sales. Now there is zero transparency in the so called free market controlled by a few benevolent grain companies.

Just ask Jim Chatenay how well ‘producer oversight’ worked for the Pools… and NFU… what a twisted chaos the CWB orchestrated…

Still blindly looking for the CWB utopia… Aggie… wise personal responsibility always trumps government regulation…prosperity is the casualty of social welfare schemes … that confiscate the private property of those with prudent asset management… to give to those with their had out for a freebie…

Cheers

[Landdownunder]

The CWB had producer oversight, so there was some insight into actual sales. Now there is zero transparency in the so called free market controlled by a few benevolent grain companies.

And growers have choice wether to deal with benevolent grain companies if they wish to.

Last check this morning 39 registered buyers at my local elevator so for for upcoming harvest. All under GTA umbrella.

7 domestic end users biggest consumes 2500 tonne of wheat a year.

Will take our system anyday. But history now

[Landdownunder]

Honestly Agstar could you see CWB AWB competing surfing in 2022. AWB still function in oz owned by Cargill still run export based pools not sure what % of crop they get under 2 or 3% at a guess.

All grain has a home know rather that previous AWB in wet year "grain is undeliverable and worthless"

We as growers this year had opportunity and a small window to forward sell wheat at $502 back in June here is AWB was operating they would not have had a single iron in the fire.

Does anyone operate pools still in Canada for those who wish to participate? Genuine question

[blackpowder]

NO.

And normally, ardent supporters grew a third or less of their production as board grains. Hypocrisy and ignorance are truly blind.

I suppose the same process is at play when they blindly follow our current govt and it's policies.

[TOM4CWB]

Honestly Agstar could you see CWB AWB competing surfing in 2022. AWB still function in oz owned by Cargill still run export based pools not sure what % of crop they get under 2 or 3% at a guess.

All grain has a home know rather that previous AWB in wet year "grain is undeliverable and worthless"

We as growers this year had opportunity and a small window to forward sell wheat at $502 back in June here is AWB was operating they would not have had a single iron in the fire.

Does anyone operate pools still in Canada for those who wish to participate? Genuine question

Landdownunder; Cargill has various machinations of pooling for those who choose a managed sales program... I followed their performance and was astounded at the practice of selling 75% of a years grain... in the bottom of prices... as when sales frequency was high... unsurprisingly prices were more often than not... in the bottom half of value for that year. So goes the percentages your monitoring of historic percentiles.... that I see in Aussie market letters.. is about almost never actively talked about by marketing advisories... basis appreciation in the carry of futures months... easily can top up pricing if a priority... the CWB had a nasty habit of holding back grain... to make sure endusers always could buy from them... at the detriment to farmers who were forced to carry the grain and risk at a net loss.

If I am to hold grain to the end of the crop year for an end user... they better pay me for the extra risk , storage , and opportunity cost of them having my [money and grain] for that time... which the CWB didn't count at nearly enough of a cost... as they had no risk being they operated a ....'single desk' expropriation without compensation... grain growers were required to pay the pool... for the risks and costs of buying out their share of that year's marketing pool... quotas still applied...

What a tangled web of deceit and hybrid of CWB deception that chaos was... LWeber and JDePape... knew it so well...

Reliving the nightmare of CWB arrogance and deceit... that amazingly and annoyingly... still exists in the imaginations of die hard CWB single desk minds, that is astounding... that this dream... of 'equality' at any cost[cost to someone else no less].... still has the allure of utopia for them...

Cheers!

[Landdownunder]

managed sales modern word for pooling eh.

the old saying "pools are for fools" or "pools are for swimming in not marketing grain"

All the facts and figures coming out lately but like I said nobody gives a rats toss bag cause we k new it was happening, but some of the undercutting of markets that happened to achieve sales is beyond belief.

Openly admitted by ex AWB directors know 30 years after the fact.

[WiltonRanch]

Sure don’t hear anything of cwb supporters much around my parts. Most are retired, dead, or know to be quiet cause like the Y2K fear mongers they were proven wrong when nothing catastrophic happened. Still there’s enough lazy marketers out there who haul and drop off their grain at their favourite location and take what they get like guys selling their calves at the local stockyards. Sometimes it pays to shop your commodities around. Laughable local elevator is $1.50 per bushel less than crusher and other local on canola. Still imagine there’s someone who hauled a load or two cause they didn’t make a couple calls. You can understand why former Soviet Union countries take a long time to get over the general malaise.

[Landdownunder]

market choice if Glenn and Agstar want to pool there grain so be it.

That's what its all about. Choice.

Don't not begrudge them if that's there preferred option, same as I wouldn't suggest Agstar sell for cash he doesn't suggest I pool grain. Alls good

[blackpowder]

Or sell a percentage every day. Same thing.

[WiltonRanch]

NO.

And normally, ardent supporters grew a third or less of their production as board grains. Hypocrisy and ignorance are truly blind.

I suppose the same process is at play when they blindly follow our current govt and it's policies.

Nettie Wiebe big NFU farmer grew no board grains but big board supporter. Hypocrite!

[dave4441]

The one simple thing that should have been implemented is an export sales report before August 1 2012.

Farm groups can't wrap their head around it. One candidate for a farm group a few years ago didn't even know one existed in the states.

USDA is working on a new format and Canada can't even figure out why farmers and industry need it.

How closely have you read the USA one?

[sumdumguy]

There are people who are uncomfortable trying to sell their grain and they might like to have a pooling option. (But they probably would be more comfortable being able to audit the books.)

A selling Coop comes to mind and that’s ok if they are more comfortable operating their business as a group.