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Sep 23, 2022 | 03:28 1 Canadian Tire Regina has a electric vehicle recharging station. Very occasionally one might see a vehicle charging at the pumps. Yesterday a friend saw a brand new Ford half ton charging so he went over to chat with the owner. The owner made the trip from Melville and needed to charge up before returning. This was his maiden voyage. He wasn’t sure if it would take him two hours to charge but he was told that he needed to open an account and it would cost him about 40 cents per minute. He was pretty sure 140 minutes of charge would get him back to Melville. So he was asked if there was any gas engine back up if and when he ran out of charge and he said when he runs out of charge the truck stops, wherever that may be. Hmmm, that seems pretty dicey to me and I don’t think I’ll be buying an electric vehicle any day soon, what about you? Reply With Quote
Sep 23, 2022 | 07:21 2 Did you already forget about A4's Tesla and his real world positive experience he posted on Agriville?

Instead you are going to rely on a friends second hand information at the Canadian tire to evaluate EVs? Reply With Quote
Sep 23, 2022 | 09:02 3 Looks like 150 km from Regina Cambodian Tire to Melville. And the EV F150 owner planned to make that on one charge, so obviously he wasn't towing a trailer, because the testing indicates that they can't make that range with a trailer. Reply With Quote
Sep 24, 2022 | 07:45 4
Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
Canadian Tire Regina has a electric vehicle recharging station. Very occasionally one might see a vehicle charging at the pumps. Yesterday a friend saw a brand new Ford half ton charging so he went over to chat with the owner. The owner made the trip from Melville and needed to charge up before returning. This was his maiden voyage. He wasn’t sure if it would take him two hours to charge but he was told that he needed to open an account and it would cost him about 40 cents per minute. He was pretty sure 140 minutes of charge would get him back to Melville. So he was asked if there was any gas engine back up if and when he ran out of charge and he said when he runs out of charge the truck stops, wherever that may be. Hmmm, that seems pretty dicey to me and I don’t think I’ll be buying an electric vehicle any day soon, what about you?
My neighbour drives a Ford half ton truck for work. It has the 3.5 eco boost V6 motor and he says it is great on gas. This is a bit funny because he is a Chev guy. Anyway he says it will get 30 mpg and has lots of power to pull a trailer. In the above example 140 minutes at 40 cents per minute is $56. 30 mpg converted equals 10.6 kms per litre. So it would take 15 litres to travel the same distance in the Eco boost, so roughly $23 or less than half the cost of electric plus you would save 2 hours. Not surprised, most Government lead initiatives don’t work out! Reply With Quote

  • Sep 24, 2022 | 08:19 5
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
    My neighbour drives a Ford half ton truck for work. It has the 3.5 eco boost V6 motor and he says it is great on gas. This is a bit funny because he is a Chev guy. Anyway he says it will get 30 mpg and has lots of power to pull a trailer. In the above example 140 minutes at 40 cents per minute is $56. 30 mpg converted equals 10.6 kms per litre. So it would take 15 litres to travel the same distance in the Eco boost, so roughly $23 or less than half the cost of electric plus you would save 2 hours. Not surprised, most Government lead initiatives don’t work out!
    Darn laws of physics getting in the way again. Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2022 | 09:18 6 Not gonna lie to you but..... your neighbour definitely would.


    If his f150 has a cab.. a fuel tank... a box... wheels.. a seat, pedals. Then maybe he could eek out 30 mpg. Or does he just haul it around on a deck of a chev 1/2 with the new little duramax?

    That ecoboost cant possibly do that number unless he clocked it coasting downhill.

    So your numbers in your calculation are just plain wrong.. and they are anyways.
    10.6 km / L works out to 24 mpg.

    12.75 km/ L would be 30 mpg.


    Story. Debunked. Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2022 | 10:54 7
    Quote Originally Posted by goalieguy847 View Post
    Not gonna lie to you but..... your neighbour definitely would.


    If his f150 has a cab.. a fuel tank... a box... wheels.. a seat, pedals. Then maybe he could eek out 30 mpg. Or does he just haul it around on a deck of a chev 1/2 with the new little duramax?

    That ecoboost cant possibly do that number unless he clocked it coasting downhill.

    So your numbers in your calculation are just plain wrong.. and they are anyways.
    10.6 km / L works out to 24 mpg.

    12.75 km/ L would be 30 mpg.


    Story. Debunked.
    Hamloc’s math is good for miles/imp gal and yours is good for miles/US gal. Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2022 | 10:59 8
    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Hamloc’s math is good for miles/imp gal and yours is good for miles/US gal.
    And regardless, if you use imperial gallons or us gallons, the ICE still works out too close to half the cost, if the rest of the numbers are correct as presented.
    One thing I have noticed over the years, any claims that involvebushels per acre and miles per gallon never quite seem to reflect reality. Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2022 | 11:03 9
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    And regardless, if you use imperial gallons or us gallons, the ICE still works out too close to half the cost, if the rest of the numbers are correct as presented.
    One thing I have noticed over the years, any claims that involvebushels per acre and miles per gallon never quite seem to reflect reality.
    And why would that be? As long as both parties are on the same page it is just a measurement. Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2022 | 11:07 10
    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    And why would that be? As long as both parties are on the same page it is just a measurement.
    I am of course referring to unsubstantiated coffee shop claims of either. Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2022 | 11:11 11
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    I am of course referring to unsubstantiated coffee shop claims of either.
    Well yes I have been to the coffee shop a couple of times and there may be some embellishment of stories. I see where you’re coming from now. Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2022 | 11:32 12 The ev f150 has a long way to go before I would be interested. I pull a 1100 gal imp water tank 68km round trip for spray water. If my son had to wait two hours while the truck was charging that would be unacceptable. 5-10 min to fill up vs 2 hrs. All day operation vs how many 2 hr stops with a working ev f150? Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2022 | 11:42 13 What’s your time worth when you run into the city to grab a part for the combine? Can you afford two hours standing at Canadian Tire scratching your ars? I would totally lose it and would take a cab to Volkswagen to lease a Tiguan to get home pronto. Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2022 | 12:09 14
    Quote Originally Posted by goalieguy847 View Post
    Not gonna lie to you but..... your neighbour definitely would.


    If his f150 has a cab.. a fuel tank... a box... wheels.. a seat, pedals. Then maybe he could eek out 30 mpg. Or does he just haul it around on a deck of a chev 1/2 with the new little duramax?

    That ecoboost cant possibly do that number unless he clocked it coasting downhill.

    So your numbers in your calculation are just plain wrong.. and they are anyways.
    10.6 km / L works out to 24 mpg.

    12.75 km/ L would be 30 mpg.


    Story. Debunked.
    30 miles = 48.28 kilometres. 4.54 litres in a Canadian gallon(imperial) therefore:
    48.28/4.54 = 10.63. I rounded it down to 10.6 Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2022 | 20:30 15 80 - 90% of recharging will be done from home electricity. Ice vehicles can shop around to find the cheapest fuel and reap the savings from lower world oil prices. I don't recall electricity being lowered in cities. How much of a convenient fee will be added by Tesla to the cost of the electricity at their charging stations.
    Ottawa will trample themselves to add a green tax to charging stations, deterring people from traveling long distances. Reply With Quote
    Sep 25, 2022 | 12:01 16 Looks like goalieguy works for factcheckers! Reply With Quote
    Sep 25, 2022 | 13:50 17
    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguy View Post
    I doubt a switch to evs would help make it Rain out here !

    Change the climate !

    Axe the Carbon tax !
    Actually, it probably would. Make it rain out there.
    Rain needs microscopic particles in the atmosphere to form raindrops.
    Modern internal combustion engines run so clean there's hardly any particulate emissions.
    But if we are forced to adopt EVS in any significant numbers, they only way we will be able to keep them charged is with lots of coal generation. Which will result in lots of particulate emissions making it rain out there. A real win for the environment to be certain. Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 25, 2022 | 14:17 18 Every Canadian tire in BC has a dozen Tesla recharging stations. Only saw one vehicle recharging. Even spotted a pair of chargers on a gravel patch at the top of a really steep hill, you'd think if they made it to the top of the hill they could recharge going down the other side. Reply With Quote
    Sep 26, 2022 | 08:00 19
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    Actually, it probably would. Make it rain out there.
    Rain needs microscopic particles in the atmosphere to form raindrops.
    Modern internal combustion engines run so clean there's hardly any particulate emissions.
    But if we are forced to adopt EVS in any significant numbers, they only way we will be able to keep them charged is with lots of coal generation. Which will result in lots of particulate emissions making it rain out there. A real win for the environment to be certain.
    Only way to charge EVs is coal generation? Really? LOL

    How is this so when Canada has 60% of its electricity from hydro and coal is being switched over to natural gas along with lots of wind, solar and other generation sources?

    But we should keep using coal to make it rain? Hilarious! Another stupid A5 idea! Like we are going to run out of carbon dioxide if we don't keep burinng fossil fuels?

    It never rained before we started using a lot coal 200 years ago?
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    Sep 26, 2022 | 08:53 20
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Only way to charge EVs is coal generation? Really? LOL

    How is this so when Canada has 60% of its electricity from hydro and coal is being switched over to natural gas along with lots of wind, solar and other generation sources?

    But we should keep using coal to make it rain? Hilarious! Another stupid A5 idea! Like we are going to run out of carbon dioxide if we don't keep burinng fossil fuels?

    It never rained before we started using a lot coal 200 years ago?

    Our grid and generation capacity are nearly maxed out at present without significant EVs. and in many areas, beyond capacity, as evidenced by brown/blackouts, and bans on charging EVs etc. Adding more EV's will require more generation. Don't even include the current mix, since that is already spoken for.
    Your very own NFU is opposing any future hydro, good luck building any more. Wind and solar are a rounding error. And as we have discussed before, solar is useless for charging an EV at home in the dark while the car is parked after work. Your environmental terrorist friends are all opposed to frac'ing all over the world, and have quite successfully stopped that in many countries/regions.

    And in case you hadn't noticed, thanks to the failure of renewables, coal is making a real comeback the world over, in places like Germany specifically. It is the quickest scalable generation that will be used to fill the additional demand. Here in western Canada there will be more natural gas, but I assure you, emissions released into the atmosphere in Europe or Asia don't stay there forever. Reply With Quote
    Sep 26, 2022 | 21:21 21
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    Our grid and generation capacity are nearly maxed out at present without significant EVs. and in many areas, beyond capacity, as evidenced by brown/blackouts, and bans on charging EVs etc. Adding more EV's will require more generation. Don't even include the current mix, since that is already spoken for.
    Your very own NFU is opposing any future hydro, good luck building any more. Wind and solar are a rounding error. And as we have discussed before, solar is useless for charging an EV at home in the dark while the car is parked after work. Your environmental terrorist friends are all opposed to frac'ing all over the world, and have quite successfully stopped that in many countries/regions.

    And in case you hadn't noticed, thanks to the failure of renewables, coal is making a real comeback the world over, in places like Germany specifically. It is the quickest scalable generation that will be used to fill the additional demand. Here in western Canada there will be more natural gas, but I assure you, emissions released into the atmosphere in Europe or Asia don't stay there forever.
    oh, didn't know that , wonder why chuck never mentions that , he seemed to right up on germany? Reply With Quote

  • Sep 26, 2022 | 22:32 22 California is a leader in renewable energy with lots of solar and wind power.

    Actually they have surplus during the sunny hours but charge premium rates after 4:30 pm to try to limit demand when solar goes off line and base load plants take over.

    In order to continue to reduce emissions they are banning gas stoves and furnaces.
    Also banning gen sets under 24hp that are getting more popular for home backup when they brown out after sundown.
    And many more EV's to plug in for the night.

    So more demand for the time of day that they are already browning out with less future supply as they plan shutdowns of nuclear and gas plants.

    Will it ever end or will people be happy in the dark?🤡🤡🤡 Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 27, 2022 | 07:51 23 I see A5 doesn't want to defend his latest stupid idea that we need to keep burning coal to make it rain!

    I can't believe anyone would suggest such a stupid idea, but A5 keeps coming up with winning ideas like we are going to run out of CO2 if we don't burn fossil fuels and we need to pollute the air with coal to make it rain.

    Another looney example of scientifically challenged thinking from the land of milk and money. Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Sep 27, 2022 | 09:06 24 Rain drops form on dust particles, search that... Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 27, 2022 | 10:14 25
    Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
    Rain drops form on dust particles, search that...
    While it is true that most of the human caused climate change theory has been debunked. It is also true that since the beginning of the industrial revolution all of the actual particulate pollution in the air has been affecting cloud formation, weather patterns , precipitation and moderating temperatures.
    The effect was a measurable cooling on top of the natural climate variables.Since we have been cleaning up our atmosphere in the first world, it is causing temperatures to rise, and affecting clouds and precipitation.

    You would think that our resident global warming expert would know all about this. By solving one actual problem we have caused other unintended consequences, as usual.
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    Sep 27, 2022 | 21:29 26
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    I see A5 doesn't want to defend his latest stupid idea that we need to keep burning coal to make it rain!

    I can't believe anyone would suggest such a stupid idea, but A5 keeps coming up with winning ideas like we are going to run out of CO2 if we don't burn fossil fuels and we need to pollute the air with coal to make it rain.

    Another looney example of scientifically challenged thinking from the land of milk and money.




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    Sep 28, 2022 | 07:09 27
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    While it is true that most of the human caused climate change theory has been debunked. It is also true that since the beginning of the industrial revolution all of the actual particulate pollution in the air has been affecting cloud formation, weather patterns , precipitation and moderating temperatures.
    The effect was a measurable cooling on top of the natural climate variables.Since we have been cleaning up our atmosphere in the first world, it is causing temperatures to rise, and affecting clouds and precipitation.

    You would think that our resident global warming expert would know all about this. By solving one actual problem we have caused other unintended consequences, as usual.
    "most of the human caused climate change theory has been debunked" HUH? By who? Elmer Fudd?

    Yup more laughable denial BS. But greenhouse gases continue to rise as do warming oceans and global temperatures.

    But the flat earthers can't accept scientific evidence and make up stupid ideas that we need more CO2 and pollution from coal? LOL

    Which credible scientific organizations are saying this? We are still waiting!

    Are you for real or just really effing stupid?
    Last edited by chuckChuck; Sep 28, 2022 at 07:12.
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    Sep 28, 2022 | 07:15 28 More interesting observations



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    Sep 28, 2022 | 07:25 29 "there has never been a fossil found below 16000 ft . , and yet we are drilling to 28000-30000 ft every day"
    there you have it folks
    "fossil fuel" has been debunked Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Sep 28, 2022 | 07:30 30 Been saying that, a BULLSH IT description. It's a hydro carbon formed under pressure....NOT a rotted dinosaur. Reply With Quote