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Jul 23, 2022 | 08:15 1 https://www.npr.org/2022/07/23/1113165082/russia-strikes-ukraine-black-sea-odesa-grain-deal?fbclid=IwAR0PGIhkSu84z7p8CXZXTxy0iBcRv52eGC4s O7L-7FDRF5gOn1ll_qIBLjc&fs=e&s=cl Reply With Quote
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  • Jul 23, 2022 | 08:31 2
    Quote Originally Posted by TASFarms View Post
    https://www.npr.org/2022/07/23/1113165082/russia-strikes-ukraine-black-sea-odesa-grain-deal?fbclid=IwAR0PGIhkSu84z7p8CXZXTxy0iBcRv52eGC4s O7L-7FDRF5gOn1ll_qIBLjc&fs=e&s=cl
    Ukraine war: Explosions rock Ukrainian port hours after grain deal
    By Matt Murphy
    BBC News
    Published
    36 minutes ago

    Fires blazing at the port
    IMAGE SOURCE, EYEWITNESS/TWITTER
    Image caption,
    Footage from an eyewitness at the port
    Explosions have rocked a key Ukrainian port just a day after Kyiv and Moscow reached a landmark deal to allow the resumption of grain exports.
    Two missiles hit the city of Odesa in the early hours of Saturday morning, Ukraine's military said.
    Under the terms of Friday's deal, Russia agreed not to target ports while grain shipments are in transit.
    A spokesperson for the military's southern command said the strike had minimal impact.
    "No significant damage was caused to the port infrastructure," Nataliia Humeniuk said. "These are quite expensive rockets, so they are being used not too often. They are said to be highly accurate, so they hit deliberately."
    EU foreign affairs chief Josep Borrell said the attack showed Russia's "total disregard" for international law.
    "Striking a target crucial for grain export a day after the signature of Istanbul agreements is particularly reprehensible," he tweeted, adding that the EU "strongly condemns" the attack.
    UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres unequivocally condemned the attack, saying that full implementation of the grain deal made between Russia, Ukraine and Turkey was imperative.
    "These products are desperately needed to address the global food crisis and ease the suffering of millions of people in need around the globe," a UN spokesperson added.
    In a post to social media, the Ukrainian military's southern command centre said two Kalibr missiles had hit the port, while two more had been shot down by air defence systems.
    Oleksiy Honcharenko, a local MP, wrote on Telegram that the city's port had caught fire after the strike.
    "These scumbags sign contracts with one hand and direct missiles with the other," Mr Honcharenko wrote.

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    jazz's Avatar Jul 23, 2022 | 08:41 3 Who scuttled the deal.

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    Jul 23, 2022 | 09:09 4 I think a lot of plans to arm Ukraine with better gear has been in play for some time but the gears of war need time to get lubricated. Reply With Quote
    Jul 23, 2022 | 09:12 5 Might be a message.

    Don't forget the bag of cash for Vlad if anything trades or moves. Reply With Quote
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  • Jul 23, 2022 | 09:36 6 Reply With Quote
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  • Jul 23, 2022 | 13:02 7
    Quote Originally Posted by Herc View Post
    What are you sinking? Reply With Quote
    Jul 23, 2022 | 13:41 8 Russians and their Mongol tactics. If you want to understand them read up on Genghis Khan. Scorched earth, impregnating the enemies women, deception, mass executions, spreading plagues, fear, etc. Nothing original and effective but easy enough to plan for. Russia has been causing shit forever but it’s ramped up the last 20 years. Can blame Putin but I think this has been a collective effort for years. They’ve been softening the enemy for years with disinformation campaigns and picking away at neighbours borders. Wouldn’t doubt they helped anti oil groups and climate change schemes secretly to further strengthen their influence on Europe. I’m spitballing but who’s to gain the most shutting down our oil? Who has the most to gain getting us to reduce fertilizer use and crop output? Who has the most to gain causing hardship on western economies? China is a bad bugger too but they need the west to float their economy. Much as they want control and influence they need people who can afford their exports or the whole sham collapses. The Ruskies produce the exact same stuff we do in North America. If you want an empire you help to degrade the social fabric of potential threats. This is Russias last hurrah. Reply With Quote

  • Jul 23, 2022 | 16:28 9
    Quote Originally Posted by WiltonRanch View Post
    Russians and their Mongol tactics. If you want to understand them read up on Genghis Khan. Scorched earth, impregnating the enemies women, deception, mass executions, spreading plagues, fear, etc. Nothing original and effective but easy enough to plan for. Russia has been causing shit forever but it’s ramped up the last 20 years. Can blame Putin but I think this has been a collective effort for years. They’ve been softening the enemy for years with disinformation campaigns and picking away at neighbours borders. Wouldn’t doubt they helped anti oil groups and climate change schemes secretly to further strengthen their influence on Europe. I’m spitballing but who’s to gain the most shutting down our oil? Who has the most to gain getting us to reduce fertilizer use and crop output? Who has the most to gain causing hardship on western economies? China is a bad bugger too but they need the west to float their economy. Much as they want control and influence they need people who can afford their exports or the whole sham collapses. The Ruskies produce the exact same stuff we do in North America. If you want an empire you help to degrade the social fabric of potential threats. This is Russias last hurrah.
    replace "russia" with the west or nato and your bang on 😉 Reply With Quote

  • fjlip's Avatar Jul 23, 2022 | 17:49 10 Hmmmm....2 missiles shot down, where did they fall? Maybe into Odessa/

    Ports are mined? If Russians trying to get into the port, they won't MINE in front of themselves.

    Ukraine MINED the ports to STOP Russians.

    Also we heard Ukraine destroyed their OWN bridges N of Kiev to STOP Russian advance.

    First casualty of WAR is the TRUTH! Reply With Quote

  • Jul 23, 2022 | 18:14 11
    Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
    Hmmmm....2 missiles shot down, where did they fall? Maybe into Odessa/

    Ports are mined? If Russians trying to get into the port, they won't MINE in front of themselves.

    Ukraine MINED the ports to STOP Russians.

    Also we heard Ukraine destroyed their OWN bridges N of Kiev to STOP Russian advance.

    First casualty of WAR is the TRUTH!
    Maybe so but let’s look at Russias past actions and their current intentions. Reply With Quote
    Jul 23, 2022 | 18:19 12 Putin and his war machine is out to destroy Ukrainian Agriculture. Russia does not care how it is done, mine their fields, burn their ripe fields, steal their grain, eventually blow everything in Ukraine to smithereens... Wheat in Ukraine farmers have is bringing less than 1/4 of international price, farms will be bankrupted on top of all their other misery.

    I don't expect Russia to allow more than a small percent of Ukrainian grain to make it to international markets... Putin can/is winning by killing the farm economy... as well as destroying their industrial and institutional infrastructure.

    Surrender or be tortured... and Russia will threaten to nuke any country who engages directly to defend Ukraine.

    Putin will not stop destroying Ukraine...till someone calls his bluff... Reply With Quote
    Jul 23, 2022 | 18:53 13
    Quote Originally Posted by WiltonRanch View Post
    Maybe so but let’s look at Russias past actions and their current intentions.
    Why only look at Russian past actions and intentions? The west also has vast atrocities committed... Slavery? Native Americans? f uck man look up March 16th 1968 the My Lai massacre of women and children ordered by top brass and carried out by OUR soldiers. Look at the vast foreign policy mingling of "our" state departments in the current affairs of the middle east. Look at the current USA backed Saudi carpet bombing of the poor ppl of Yemen. What is the intentions of our western goverment allowing Isreal to now bomb Syria? or the proxy war they are currently waging and using the poor ppl of Ukraine as collateral damage.

    Don't be blind to only one side of your story. Evil has been around since the beginning of time on both sides. Reply With Quote
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  • Jul 23, 2022 | 19:37 14
    Quote Originally Posted by helmach View Post
    Why only look at Russia...

    Don't be blind to only one side of your story. Evil has been around since the beginning of time on both sides.
    What is your point?

    Does Putin have a license to destroy Ukraine because of the past 'sins' of the west... are you saying that Putin has justification for destroying Ukraine, and killing thousands upon thousands of people... including his own people?

    What justification and right does Putin have to keep committing these crimes against humanity... irrespective of, whatever past atrosities, committed by whomever; wherever? Reply With Quote
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  • Jul 23, 2022 | 19:39 15
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post
    What is your point?

    Does Putin have a license to destroy Ukraine because of the past 'sins' of the west... are you saying that Putin has justification for destroying Ukraine, and killing thousands upon thousands of people... including his own people?

    What justification and right does Putin have to keep committing these crimes against humanity... irrespective of, whatever past atrosities, committed by whomever; wherever?
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    Jul 23, 2022 | 19:52 16 I thought my point was pretty simple and clear Tom. It being don't be blind to only one side of THE evil. it's everywhere including in your own very backyard close to home. Reply With Quote
    Jul 23, 2022 | 19:55 17 and nukes Tom? come on that's a stretch. Ever heard of Mutual assured destruction... I'm sure Putin doesn't want to facilitate the speed up of his own demise. Reply With Quote
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  • Jul 23, 2022 | 20:01 18
    Quote Originally Posted by helmach View Post
    and nukes Tom? come on that's a stretch. Ever heard of Mutual assured destruction... I'm sure Putin doesn't want to facilitate the speed up of his own demise.
    You think Putin fears God and eternal judgement?

    Putin has a curious way of showing this fear, even though his Rev. Krill is responsible to teach Putin this:

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    Jul 23, 2022 | 20:14 19 I you believe MSM, CBC , CNN I am sure you see Santa Clause every December……
    Good heavens when are people going to wake up

    I have Ocean front property here in Sask to sell you lol
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  • Jul 23, 2022 | 20:49 20
    Quote Originally Posted by helmach View Post
    Why only look at Russian past actions and intentions? The west also has vast atrocities committed... Slavery? Native Americans? f uck man look up March 16th 1968 the My Lai massacre of women and children ordered by top brass and carried out by OUR soldiers. Look at the vast foreign policy mingling of "our" state departments in the current affairs of the middle east. Look at the current USA backed Saudi carpet bombing of the poor ppl of Yemen. What is the intentions of our western goverment allowing Isreal to now bomb Syria? or the proxy war they are currently waging and using the poor ppl of Ukraine as collateral damage.

    Don't be blind to only one side of your story. Evil has been around since the beginning of time on both sides.
    Who's looking at Russia's past actions when currently Putin's waging a genocide on Ukraine.

    Your doing a lot of finger pointing at the West to justify Putin's life long dream and goal of eliminating Ukraine from the map since taking power.

    It's really sad that you fooled yourself into believing the West needed to push Putin into this unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

    But, you go ahead and side with a dictator while having the freedom to farm in Canada. Reply With Quote

  • Jul 23, 2022 | 20:51 21 Talking about Christmas and Thinking of the Truth;

    I heard an interesting explanation of Heaven and Hell:

    Some people think Heaven will be ‘boring’;

    They are mistaken,
    Look at it from this perspective:

    Your Best Day, most enjoyable and wonderful here on Earth… Heaven will be 1000x more wonderful and enjoyable!

    Now your very Worst Day…. Ever here on Earth… HELL will be at least 1000x worse and torturing… simply because we all have the opportunity to choose who and how we spend eternity with our Creator… or … with weeping and gnashing of teeth!

    Blessings and Salutations Reply With Quote
    Jul 23, 2022 | 21:16 22
    Quote Originally Posted by foragefarmer View Post
    Who's looking at Russia's past actions when currently Putin's waging a genocide on Ukraine.

    Your doing a lot of finger pointing at the West to justify Putin's life long dream and goal of eliminating Ukraine from the map since taking power.

    It's really sad that you fooled yourself into believing the West needed to push Putin into this unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

    But, you go ahead and side with a dictator while having the freedom to farm in Canada.
    why are you putting words in my mouth? Evil on both sides and everywhere up down and all around stated multiple times including putin.
    Why do you not feel or show the same support for the Syrians as you only want to seem to acknowledge the Ukrainian atrocities. Isreal has a rough night ahead for a lot of poor innocent syrians.

    and yes I will continue to farm and enjoy the life love family and freedoms I have left still in cnd while I still have them before the evil slowly erodes them away here.
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  • Jul 23, 2022 | 21:31 23
    Quote Originally Posted by helmach View Post
    Why only look at Russian past actions and intentions? The west also has vast atrocities committed... Slavery? Native Americans? f uck man look up March 16th 1968 the My Lai massacre of women and children ordered by top brass and carried out by OUR soldiers. Look at the vast foreign policy mingling of "our" state departments in the current affairs of the middle east. Look at the current USA backed Saudi carpet bombing of the poor ppl of Yemen. What is the intentions of our western goverment allowing Isreal to now bomb Syria? or the proxy war they are currently waging and using the poor ppl of Ukraine as collateral damage.

    Don't be blind to only one side of your story. Evil has been around since the beginning of time on both sides.
    Every nation has done awful shit to others. No arguing about that but for buddy Vlad to trounce into a democratic nation which is on his doorstep in the guise of denazification bs is no better than the us attack on Iraq because wmd’s. So yes I agree with your argument in that sense but it does not justify it neither unless you’re sucking on Russian sourced Afghan heroin. Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Jul 23, 2022 | 21:52 24 The west is doing a bang up job...

    "It shouldn’t come as any surprise that Canada’s government has no idea where any of its weapons charities eventually end up. It is a bit surprising that the media would even mention it.

    There are other unconfirmed reports about how the more advanced weapons systems delivered by other western countries are exchanging hands, it goes something like this. The system is brought to the front line and the Russian forces retreat a few kilometers and then purchase the the system from the disgruntled Ukrainians in possession. The Russians then move back forward during the fog of war and move their pristine new purchase back into Russian controlled territory and don’t even say thanks! Don’t know? 🤷*♂️ Maybe." Reply With Quote
    jazz's Avatar Jul 23, 2022 | 22:09 25 Ukraine is a democracy. LOL, could have fooled me. 3 CIA backed coups in 15 yrs.

    You all need a real eye opener on real geopolitics in the world.

    The justification Tom, is a western post WW2 alliance that has no reason to exist deciding to encroach on your territory, flip your allied states and wanting to put nukes 500miles from your capital city.

    Ask yourself a real question once, what would the US do if russia was putting weapons in Mexico. Reply With Quote
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  • Jul 23, 2022 | 23:01 26
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Ukraine is a democracy. LOL, could have fooled me. 3 CIA backed coups in 15 yrs.

    You all need a real eye opener on real geopolitics in the world.

    The justification Tom, is a western post WW2 alliance that has no reason to exist deciding to encroach on your territory, flip your allied states and wanting to put nukes 500miles from your capital city.

    Ask yourself a real question once, what would the US do if russia was putting weapons in Mexico.
    Not sure that it matters much with Rusky Subs with nukes in both Atlantic and Pacific... The drug lords and Biden are doing a fabulous job of destabilizing Mexico and the US Southern border... no doubt Russia and China encourage this chaos... Reply With Quote
    Jul 24, 2022 | 01:58 27
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post
    Not sure that it matters much with Rusky Subs with nukes in both Atlantic and Pacific... The drug lords and Biden are doing a fabulous job of destabilizing Mexico and the US Southern border... no doubt Russia and China encourage this chaos...


    Russians burning 🔥 Ukraine wheat fields…

    https://ca.yahoo.com/news/tell-us-wh...190207596.html
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    Jul 24, 2022 | 02:08 28
    Quote Originally Posted by TOM4CWB View Post


    Russians burning 🔥 Ukraine wheat fields…

    https://ca.yahoo.com/news/tell-us-wh...190207596.html
    But just hours after the agreement was signed, two Kalibr missiles hit Odesa port, according to the Ukrainian military's southern command centre. Another two missiles were shot down by air defence systems, it added.
    The strike caused no significant damage to the port, the command centre said.
    The attack has been widely condemned. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken accused Russia of worsening a global food crisis, and said the attack cast "serious doubt" on the credibility of Russia's commitment to the pact.
    "Russia must stop its aggression and fully implement the grain deal to which it has agreed," he said on Saturday.
    The Kremlin has so far made no public comment on the attack, however the Turkish government, which brokered the deal, said Russian officials had denied responsibility.
    "In our contact with Russia, the Russians told us that they had absolutely nothing to do with this attack and that they were examining the issue very closely and in detail," said Defence Minister Hulusai Akar.
    EXPLAINER: How much grain is stuck in Ukraine?
    FROM UKRAINE: Frontline farmers toil on amid explosions
    FROM KENYA: Life on the front-line of severe food shortages
    In another development, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban said Ukraine could not win against Russia.
    Speaking at an international conference of conservatives, he said the war could only be ended by peace talks between Washington and Moscow.
    "A new strategy is needed, which should focus on peace negotiations instead of trying to win the war," said Mr Orban, whose views on the conflict are often at odds with those of other EU leaders."

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    Jul 24, 2022 | 06:22 29 Russian soldier burns wheat fields, photo on file? What they didn’t have a recent picture? That person standing there could be Waldo for all we know.

    All the pictures that look like an old abandoned apartment building that have gotten hit by a missile, most of them look like a small apartment fire, I’d expect if my apartment was shelled by a rocket propelled missile the apartment next door would be missing windows.

    Disclaimer, just because I don’t trust the Canadian bought off news it doesn’t make me a Putin lover! Reply With Quote
    Jul 24, 2022 | 06:51 30
    Quote Originally Posted by helmach View Post
    why are you putting words in my mouth? Evil on both sides and everywhere up down and all around stated multiple times including putin.
    Why do you not feel or show the same support for the Syrians as you only want to seem to acknowledge the Ukrainian atrocities. Isreal has a rough night ahead for a lot of poor innocent syrians.

    and yes I will continue to farm and enjoy the life love family and freedoms I have left still in cnd while I still have them before the evil slowly erodes them away here.
    Never put any words in your mouth, they were already in your post as other Posters have knowledge reading them as well.


    Your busy finger pointing at the West but, how many innocent Syrians has Putin's bombs killed in the last 10 years.


    And again you enjoy your freedom of farming in Canada, sowing spraying, harvest, delivering etc etc all the while not worrying about yourself or one of your children running over a land mine.

    Just a question have you looked into farming in Russia? I hear the rate on return is very lucrative for the Oligarchs.

    You could take Jazz, TISSP and Fjlip with you as well, since you feel your going to loss all your freedoms in Canada
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