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Jun 21, 2022 | 20:05 1 Wheat …

Bourgault 12 in space , 3.5 in paired row right , New seed master 15 in SR
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Jun 21, 2022 | 20:06 2 Bourgault



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  • jazz's Avatar Jun 21, 2022 | 20:20 3 Not a fan of 12 inch spacing in cereals and lentils.

    Too much real estate left unused.

    In Europe wheat is seeded on 6inch rows . Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 21, 2022 | 20:47 4
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Not a fan of 12 inch spacing in cereals and lentils.

    Too much real estate left unused.

    In Europe wheat is seeded on 6inch rows .
    That’s why we like the paired row, puts us at 8.5 without a million shanks in the ground Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 21, 2022 | 20:49 5 The canola side by side with Horsch planter and the SR Seed master …


    Horsch right , SM left Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 21, 2022 | 20:50 6 Horsch at 2.5 lbs on 15 in


    SM at 3.5 lbs on 15 in



    Both same variety, same seed lot , same fertility Reply With Quote
    Jun 21, 2022 | 20:53 7 Both close when looked from back a bit
    Will be interesting Reply With Quote
    Jun 21, 2022 | 20:53 8

    In this plot with the SM , we did 3.5 , 4 and 4.5 lbs . On both sides and the rest of the field is the Horsch at 2.5 lbs or 220,000 seeds per ac
    We typically stay close to 200,000 but were concerned about very dry conditions after planting. This field got nipped by frost but just twice .
    The SM looks more consistent in general, and that’s a function of cold and direct seeding with a planter without row cleaners
    Last edited by furrowtickler; Jun 22, 2022 at 05:37.
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    Jun 21, 2022 | 21:09 9 And yes , without a doubt ever , seed quality matters in cold dry conditions at emergence….


    Everything identical… I will leave it at that
    Many of you are seeing the same thing in that BASF thread .

    I have seen this off and on for 30 years , and when it happens, it’s deer in the headlights look 👀. Not fun but absolute reality
    Last edited by furrowtickler; Jun 22, 2022 at 05:07.
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    Jun 21, 2022 | 21:35 10 Wheatland HRSW …


    Was happy with this variety last year even in very drought conditions
    Seeded with ole bourgault May 14
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  • Jun 22, 2022 | 00:19 11 thanks furrowfor sharing your testing and knowledge
    you put a lot of time and input into these
    most of us never quit learning in this business and really appreciate your efforts! Reply With Quote

  • Jun 22, 2022 | 05:59 12 I have learned most from simply doing , and sharing info with other farmers . Still learn more everyday and pass on as much as I can to the next generation now my nephew. None of this is taught in ag school or from a book . Simply boots on the ground and watching and listening what others do right and wrong .
    Every year has its challenges. We were sitting good last year about this time then the taps turned off completely. Mother Nature still rules the roost Reply With Quote

  • jazz's Avatar Jun 22, 2022 | 06:23 13
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Everything identical… I will leave it at that
    Furrow, I am not getting you on this side by side test. Different varieties, seed size etc. Pls elaborate. Reply With Quote
    Jun 22, 2022 | 06:43 14
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Furrow, I am not getting you on this side by side test. Different varieties, seed size etc. Pls elaborate.
    It’s in a plot with 8 varieties, all RR . All seeded the same time, same fertility, same everything
    The variety on the left had a ton of cracks in it , seed treatment was dusty and seed size was variable. The one on the right was nice even big seed . In dry cold conditions, seed quality is huge
    This was seeded around the 20th so not “early” but we had cold dry frosts from May 31 to June 3
    This stuff was just up and seemed not affected.
    The balance of the field looks good . Just this one variety that had very questionable looking seed when we opened the bag . Reply With Quote
    jazz's Avatar Jun 22, 2022 | 06:51 15
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    The one on the right was nice even big seed . In dry cold conditions, seed quality is huge.
    So this is the problem I have every year. Cannot be guaranteed seed size, just take whatever they give.

    Maybe the BTOs get the good stuff and small frys like me get whatever's left over. Who knows.

    I was just contemplating this morning phoning my reps to see if any size D was returned and in the shed and just taking that for next year. A year old Size D probably has the same vigour as those smaller sizes. Reply With Quote
    Jun 22, 2022 | 07:04 16
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    So this is the problem I have every year. Cannot be guaranteed seed size, just take whatever they give.

    Maybe the BTOs get the good stuff and small frys like me get whatever's left over. Who knows.

    I was just contemplating this morning phoning my reps to see if any size D was returned and in the shed and just taking that for next year. A year old Size D probably has the same vigour as those smaller sizes.
    It’s not solely seed size when you open a bag and it’s dry , lots of cracks and dusty Reply With Quote
    makar's Avatar Jun 22, 2022 | 09:38 17
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    It’s not solely seed size when you open a bag and it’s dry , lots of cracks and dusty
    Was sold old seed once that was just like that and did poorly. Reply With Quote
    Jun 22, 2022 | 16:58 18 I just sprayed all my canola over the last couple of days. All looks crappy except in the tire tracks. Mostly a drill depth issue I suspect. Only stuff that looks good is one bag of a new variety, treated with Buteo. And I sprayed every acre with Matador. There are some real wrecks around here due to insects. I'm thinking Buteo for every bag next year. Saw the same thing last year. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Farming...ugh. Reply With Quote
    Jun 22, 2022 | 18:01 19
    Quote Originally Posted by crusher View Post
    I just sprayed all my canola over the last couple of days. All looks crappy except in the tire tracks. Mostly a drill depth issue I suspect. Only stuff that looks good is one bag of a new variety, treated with Buteo. And I sprayed every acre with Matador. There are some real wrecks around here due to insects. I'm thinking Buteo for every bag next year. Saw the same thing last year. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Farming...ugh.
    Yes Buteo seems to have pulled through the stresses fairly well in this area too Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 22, 2022 | 18:42 20 Basf is the worst around here by a country mile Reply With Quote
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  • jazz's Avatar Jun 22, 2022 | 18:57 21
    Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
    Basf is the worst around here by a country mile
    Only reason we seed invigor is mostly for the pod shatter trait. They seem to be better than other varieties at that, but I havent done any testing either. Maybe the other varieties have caught up.

    My rep was talking some Canterra 4000 variety has better seed size and vigour.
    Last edited by jazz; Jun 22, 2022 at 19:13.
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    fjlip's Avatar Jun 22, 2022 | 19:40 22
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Only reason we seed invigor is mostly for the pod shatter trait. They seem to be better than other varieties at that, but I havent done any testing either. Maybe the other varieties have caught up.

    My rep was talking some Canterra 4000 variety has better seed size and vigour.
    Yes caught up and passed it. Dekalb very good. PLUS the roundup kills, NOT JUST burns tops off.
    No reason for Invigor at all. Reply With Quote

  • Jun 22, 2022 | 20:45 23
    Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
    Yes caught up and passed it. Dekalb very good. PLUS the roundup kills, NOT JUST burns tops off.
    No reason for Invigor at all.
    There are a couple reasons I like Liberty Link canola.

    While no doubt Liberty is a desiccant but it does reduce my use of glyphosate.

    You can spray LL canola with glyphosate and straight cut it.

    If those years that are dry early with late rains and you get volunteer canola in your wheat you can do a glyphosate pre-harvest and you don’t have green canola in your wheat.

    In the past I had green seed issues with Dekalb varieties, never had that issue with Liberty link.

    I do think RR varieties have closed the yield gap though. Reply With Quote

  • Jun 22, 2022 | 20:50 24
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    I have learned most from simply doing , and sharing info with other farmers . Still learn more everyday and pass on as much as I can to the next generation now my nephew. None of this is taught in ag school or from a book . Simply boots on the ground and watching and listening what others do right and wrong .
    Every year has its challenges. We were sitting good last year about this time then the taps turned off completely. Mother Nature still rules the roost
    Furrow do you think there will be a yield drag with 15 inch spacing on cereal crops? I do think the new seedmaster would be a fantastic canola drill but do you think there is an advantage over the traditional 12 inch seedmaster? Reply With Quote
    Jun 22, 2022 | 22:32 25
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
    Furrow do you think there will be a yield drag with 15 inch spacing on cereal crops? I do think the new seedmaster would be a fantastic canola drill but do you think there is an advantage over the traditional 12 inch seedmaster?
    Yup absolutely too wide in my opinion. But it was here , they wanted to try it and we were willing on 40 ac .
    But here is the kicker , Dutch is working on a paired row tip for that SR drill . So then in a year or two it may well be feasible.
    Could not pass up the opportunity to try on both wheat and canola.
    You never stop learning or passing on info , when you do it’s time to call RB

    Or if you live in a fantasy land were you average 50 bus canola, never have frost issues , never have flea beetles, farming is easy and you live in a very closed world .
    But that’s not a reality for 80 to 90 % of Western Canada

    Plus for many reasons, we wanted to try side by side with Horsch planter
    It was a 2 for 1 deal so we made time
    Curiosity more than anything
    Last edited by furrowtickler; Jun 22, 2022 at 22:43.
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  • Jun 22, 2022 | 23:55 26 Furrow, you're the only guy on here posting trials. My hats off to you. Keep the information coming, us small time guys really appreciate it. Thanks. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 23, 2022 | 00:08 27
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Yup absolutely too wide in my opinion. But it was here , they wanted to try it and we were willing on 40 ac .
    But here is the kicker , Dutch is working on a paired row tip for that SR drill . So then in a year or two it may well be feasible.
    Could not pass up the opportunity to try on both wheat and canola.
    You never stop learning or passing on info , when you do it’s time to call RB

    Or if you live in a fantasy land were you average 50 bus canola, never have frost issues , never have flea beetles, farming is easy and you live in a very closed world .
    But that’s not a reality for 80 to 90 % of Western Canada

    Plus for many reasons, we wanted to try side by side with Horsch planter
    It was a 2 for 1 deal so we made time
    Curiosity more than anything
    The one advantage of the Seedmaster would be being able to apply all the fertilizer and seed in one pass. The Horsch requires a separate pass for the majority of the fertilizer, correct?
    As I said I do think the new seedmaster is an interesting machine. Reply With Quote
    Jun 23, 2022 | 05:32 28
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
    The one advantage of the Seedmaster would be being able to apply all the fertilizer and seed in one pass. The Horsch requires a separate pass for the majority of the fertilizer, correct?
    As I said I do think the new seedmaster is an interesting machine.
    Yes that is a big disadvantage on the Horsch and a huge plus for the SM Reply With Quote
    Jun 23, 2022 | 06:03 29
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    ...Or if you live in a fantasy land were you average 50 bus canola, never have frost issues , never have flea beetles, farming is easy and you live in a very closed world .
    But that’s not a reality for 80 to 90 % of Western Canada...
    Always on my mind! LMAO!
    Last edited by dmlfarmer; Jun 23, 2022 at 07:21.
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    Jun 23, 2022 | 08:06 30 Corn 🌽 plots , 14 varieties there. 7 early and 7 mid to late maturity.




    Soybeans, just 2 early varieties
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