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Jul 2, 2022 | 04:07
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 Originally Posted by furrowtickler
New clearfield wheat , CDC Pilar we put on clearfield canola stubble .. was worried about ares carryover
Sprayed with Pixxaro and generic horizon.
Did you cut the roots off?
Piss poor root shoot ratio don't you think? What if mother nature turns the taps off
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Jul 2, 2022 | 05:20
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Just pulled from surface
Anything we dug out is just fine
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Jul 2, 2022 | 05:33
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Originally Posted by WiltonRanch
Outside of last summer I swear we are getting colder. Can remember as a young kid it so hot especially the fall we’d be harvesting and it was bloody hot at night. Haven’t seen that for years it seems.
Agreed , last summer was definitely an outlier in the past 5-6 years .
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Jul 2, 2022 | 07:06
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First year of soil treatment , only one shot so far
Two years of Crop Aid Plus soil amendment
By the way this product was developed in Australia
Last edited by furrowtickler; Jul 2, 2022 at 07:19.
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Jul 2, 2022 | 07:21
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[QUOTE=furrowtickler;543548]First year of soil treatment , only one shot so far
Two years of Crop Aid Plus soil amendment
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Thank you for sharing your plot work.
What is approximate product cost/acre/application of the Crop Aid Plus?
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Jul 2, 2022 | 07:34
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furrow, you should head to the UofS and get some side line work in the ag research dept.
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Jul 2, 2022 | 07:37
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The seed treatment on cereals and peas works out to about $4/ac
The crop aid plus is $5-6 /ac
We add the Plus to the Alpine or Liquid 28 at seeding. Then you can also add it to either the herbicide or fungicide application
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Jul 2, 2022 | 07:42
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Originally Posted by jazz
furrow, you should head to the UofS and get some side line work in the ag research dept.
I just happen to know a few people a lot smarter than me and am willing to see with an open mind .
It’s those people who should be at the UofS .
I graduated with a few of these very smart guys at the UofS back in the early 90’s .
Learned from the pea root rot train wreck that we needed to fix our soils . Adding foliars and fungicide after the fact is just simply a bandaid to the real issue in the soils around here .
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Jul 2, 2022 | 09:26
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Have you had any luck with the pea root rot issue?
Seems here that reserve soil moisture is the difference. Dry in 2021 no pea root rot. Lots of June rain in 2022, but no soil reserve moisture and no pea root rot.
Not sure if the previous 12 month bone dry soil reduced innoculum levels or lack of spring subsoil moisture or both.
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Jul 2, 2022 | 09:28
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Originally Posted by furrowtickler
The seed treatment on cereals and peas works out to about $4/ac
The crop aid plus is $5-6 /ac
We add the Plus to the Alpine or Liquid 28 at seeding. Then you can also add it to either the herbicide or fungicide application
Thanks for posting all your trials and results.
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Jul 2, 2022 | 09:38
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Originally Posted by furrowtickler
In fact , the soil amendment we are using now is making a huge difference in our clay soils ..
Building carbon without the Gabe Brown system….
Gabe builds his bank account from speaking tours.
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Jul 2, 2022 | 10:36
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Originally Posted by poorboy
Have you had any luck with the pea root rot issue?
Seems here that reserve soil moisture is the difference. Dry in 2021 no pea root rot. Lots of June rain in 2022, but no soil reserve moisture and no pea root rot.
Not sure if the previous 12 month bone dry soil reduced innoculum levels or lack of spring subsoil moisture or both.
It has more to do with soil than anything
We had root rot in dryish years as well .
Add in 3-4 crop year rotation, herbicides that cause injury at the worst time when the peas are not quite nodulating yet and cool mornings before or after herbicide application or a heavy rain after a pre emergence herbicide
For us it was mostly compacted clay soils was the main reason. Add in one or more of the above and it made the situation worse dramatically.
A healthy soil , and a herbicide application that causes no injury and peas can do well even if aphenomycies is present . Fusarium root rot was the biggest issue here
Last edited by furrowtickler; Jul 3, 2022 at 04:50.
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Jul 2, 2022 | 10:45
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Originally Posted by furrowtickler
It has more to do with soil than anything
We had root rot in dryish years as well .
Add in 3-4 crop year rotation, herbicides that cause injury at the worst time when the peas are not quite nodulating yet and cool mornings before or after herbicide application or a heavy rain after a pre emergence herbicide
For us it was mostly compacted clay soils was the main reason. Add in one or more of the above and it made the situation worse dramatically.
A healthy soil , and a herbicide application that causes no injury and peas cause do well even if aphenomycies is present . Fusarium root rot was the biggest issue here
You have Speers Solonetzic soils? We have some those and they can be a bugger if not in that Goldilocks zone.
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Jul 2, 2022 | 11:42
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If you were Clay soil in any way resembled our gray wooded clay soil before you started with the amendments, then that is nothing short of a miracle. We have aggregates the size of a basketball typically.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that we are starting from completely different initial conditions.
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Jul 2, 2022 | 12:58
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And this has some moisture
When dry , it’s even more blocky and layered
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Jul 2, 2022 | 17:10
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The only solar panels I am interested in ..
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Jul 4, 2022 | 06:31
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Originally Posted by TOM4CWB
Going to need a miracle to be knee high by 4th of July! Corn and Soy are warm blooded crops... cool Augusts... just like growing Lentils... make maturing these crops with mature decent yields... a 1 year in 5 proposition... unless you believe in global warming... which fails to materialize in last half August/September much too often...[3 out of 5 years].
Not far off now ….
Definitely need more heat units but coming along
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Jul 5, 2022 | 18:44
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There was quite the debate here last fall about spraying after harvest ……..
Sprayed
Not sprayed
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Jul 5, 2022 | 18:51
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The same side by side fields last October
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Jul 5, 2022 | 18:52
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Jul 6, 2022 | 05:18
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Originally Posted by furrowtickler
Just pulled from surface
Anything we dug out is just fine
Not seeing much of a rhizosphere there
I can see remnants of the seed treatment colour so it appears you're applying a fungicide seed treatment therefore working against yourself compromising the mycorrhizal development. Have a look at this taken earlier today. Bare seed treated with multi species beneficial bacteria and fungi.
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Jul 6, 2022 | 05:39
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Originally Posted by Austranada
Not seeing much of a rhizosphere there
I can see remnants of the seed treatment colour so it appears you're applying a fungicide seed treatment therefore working against yourself compromising the mycorrhizal development. Have a look at this taken earlier today. Bare seed treated with multi species beneficial bacteria and fungi.
We use 1/2 rate seed treatment with a Crop Aid seed treatment nutrient that includes kelp and bacteria as well . Don’t need to be lectured on seed treatments. I know , phasing them out when we can after we get the soil back in shape .
I will dig plants properly and show roots nice a washed too lol.
Nice root system there, is that on your farm ? What kind of soil ? How much moisture to date ?
Is that from you friends farm ?
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Jul 7, 2022 | 12:59
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Fertilizer salts not friendly in cool dry springs …
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Jul 8, 2022 | 05:31
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Originally Posted by furrowtickler
We use 1/2 rate seed treatment with a Crop Aid seed treatment nutrient that includes kelp and bacteria as well . Don’t need to be lectured on seed treatments. I know , phasing them out when we can after we get the soil back in shape .
I will dig plants properly and show roots nice a washed too lol.
Nice root system there, is that on your farm ? What kind of soil ? How much moisture to date ?
Is that from you friends farm ?
This is from a demonstration site east of Tambellup. Several 20 hectare plots with a few different things happening. Sown may 24th into good conditions, approx 50 mm in may and 65 mm rain in June.Few sprinkles in July with 5 to 10 mm coming tomorrow. Soil is a classic duplex in this region, gravelly loam with sandier areas over clay at variable depths. pH about 5.3 and 2% organic carbon.
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Jul 8, 2022 | 07:51
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Originally Posted by furrowtickler
We use 1/2 rate seed treatment with a Crop Aid seed treatment nutrient that includes kelp and bacteria as well . Don’t need to be lectured on seed treatments. I know , phasing them out when we can after we get the soil back in shape .
I will dig plants properly and show roots nice a washed too lol.
Nice root system there, is that on your farm ? What kind of soil ? How much moisture to date ?
Is that from you friends farm ?
A very smart guy once pointed out that it took thousands of years for seed coats to evolve giving them the best chance to survive and reproduce.
But we can make that better by coating them with nice shiny colored polymers to keep whatever must be applied to greatly enhance survivability.
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Jul 18, 2022 | 07:12
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Canola side by side , planter and drill . Moisture stress showing
Planter at 2.3 lbs left , drill at 5.5 lbs right , same variety.
Kinda hard to tell from pictures but the 5.5 lbs is now blasting top flowers and has smaller pods .
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Jul 18, 2022 | 07:17
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Planter
Drill
We seen the same thing but much more exaggerated last year in side by sides
The lower seeding rate held on about 7-10 days longer in hot and dry conditions. The higher seeding rates topped out at 15 bus / ac and the planter 24 bus / ac under very dry conditions.
Although much better this year we are still below 6.5 in here for the most part . Last year was about 3.6 .
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Jul 21, 2022 | 07:32
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Now close to 14 days with no more than 1/10
Stress is showing
Side by side , same variety
Left with planter at 2.2 lbs
Right with drill at 5.4 lbs
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Jul 21, 2022 | 07:33
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Drill ….
Planter ….
Planter canola still hanging on
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