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Jun 26, 2022 | 10:18 31
Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
Furrow do you think there will be a yield drag with 15 inch spacing on cereal crops? I do think the new seedmaster would be a fantastic canola drill but do you think there is an advantage over the traditional 12 inch seedmaster?
Just following up with that thought…

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Jun 26, 2022 | 10:19 32 12 in paired row



15 in single row , same seed rate

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  • Jun 26, 2022 | 10:20 33 12 in paired row


    15 single row



    Population very dense in that single row as expected Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2022 | 10:22 34 The 15 in rows have nearly filled in now

    Will be interesting at heading Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2022 | 10:30 35 Nexera 1030 RR , had moderate frost damage on May 31 , June 1 and June 3


    Recovered very well after being sprayed for beetles along with Alpine F18 Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2022 | 10:35 36

    PV 591 right beside the Nexera 1030. Same fertility, seed rates both at 220,000 seed per ac planted 2 days early but had the same frosts .
    Was extremely slow to recover and had 30% more loss . Not impressed with this variety and or seed lot . Way to sluggish then prematurely bolted before we could get F18 on
    May turn out ok , but huge difference from the 1030 Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2022 | 11:17 37 Horsch right , SM left

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    Jun 26, 2022 | 11:18 38 Horsch at 220,000 seeds / ac , 2.5 lbs/ac


    Seed Master SR at 3.5blbs / ac


    Both 45CS40 , same seed lot
    Horsch has 4 gal / ac Alpine G22 in furrow
    SM SR has dry phos in side band at 25 lbs / ac
    Last edited by furrowtickler; Jun 26, 2022 at 12:35.
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  • Jun 26, 2022 | 13:06 39 Nice work Furrowtickler, thank you for sharing. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 26, 2022 | 18:26 40 I grew soft white wheat with 16” centers and was very pleased with yields but never got around to do side by sides.I am curious to see results. The one benefit is having airflow in crop for a little longer. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 26, 2022 | 20:50 41 Thank you for all of the posts. I don't know how you find the time to do all of these plots and all of these varieties plus all of the custom work and still have time left over to post the results for our benefit. Very much appreciated.

    Question on the topic of flea Beetles and planters.
    I just had to put a claim in for flea beetle damage. And one of the questions they ask is the seeding rate.

    You have been spraying for flea beetles it sounds like. Have you ever received any feedback on your seeding rate, or been declined for coverage?
    Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Jun 26, 2022 at 20:53.
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  • Jun 26, 2022 | 21:20 42
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    Thank you for all of the posts. I don't know how you find the time to do all of these plots and all of these varieties plus all of the custom work and still have time left over to post the results for our benefit. Very much appreciated.

    Question on the topic of flea Beetles and planters.
    I just had to put a claim in for flea beetle damage. And one of the questions they ask is the seeding rate.

    You have been spraying for flea beetles it sounds like. Have you ever received any feedback on your seeding rate, or been declined for coverage?
    This is the first time we sprayed much for beetles in 5 years . Did a few fields last year after they froze as well … in early June . Sprayed less than half our acres this year , just the ones effected by frost the most .
    It comes down to establishment, not seeding rate at the end of the day .
    Never been questioned on seeding rate at all . It’s all about plants per square foot . The only comment this year was “really” , generally surprised at establishment for the seeding rate . But being on 15 in spacing helps that as Kanola can attest to . He was doing far longer than most
    Last edited by furrowtickler; Jun 27, 2022 at 06:10.
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  • Jun 27, 2022 | 09:30 43 New clearfield wheat , CDC Pilar we put on clearfield canola stubble .. was worried about ares carryover



    Sprayed with Pixxaro and generic horizon.
    Last edited by furrowtickler; Jun 27, 2022 at 10:02.
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    Jun 27, 2022 | 12:59 44
    Quote Originally Posted by kANOLA View Post
    I grew soft white wheat with 16” centers and was very pleased with yields but never got around to do side by sides.I am curious to see results. The one benefit is having airflow in crop for a little longer.
    Was there any spread or paired row or just a narrow opener. Awesome to hear from you again. Not to sound like a fanboy here lol but I’ve heard lots of great things about your farming career. I’m always willing to learn. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 27, 2022 | 16:06 45 It was narrow opener with all the groceries put to the side in liquid form.I would post pics but not sharp enough to so. I enjoy all the farm talk on this site and like to share my thoughts. Reply With Quote

  • Jun 27, 2022 | 16:24 46
    Quote Originally Posted by kANOLA View Post
    It was narrow opener with all the groceries put to the side in liquid form.I would post pics but not sharp enough to so. I enjoy all the farm talk on this site and like to share my thoughts.
    What’s your thoughts on the new seed master SR if you have seen it ?
    Basically much the same as what you did several years ago , but it’s a neat compact unit actually Reply With Quote
    Jun 27, 2022 | 16:46 47 Has anyone done any side by side trials with canola seed size?

    It seems reasonable that the larger seeds can survive being seeded deeper and have the energy to push through obstacles or crusting. Would it make any difference for pests? A lot more seed treatment per seed on a larger size of seed.

    Before they switched to selling seed by the unit, I always thought I preferred smaller seed to get more seeds per dollar. But this year seeding into some horrible sod conditions, I was pleased to get enough E size, and it germinated and came up regardless of depth. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 27, 2022 | 17:06 48 When I went to the 16” machine it went to a two row machine which helped reaching down in gully’s being the unit frame wasn’t as deep. I really believe this new machine will be even better. As far as distance between seed rows I would prefer that spacing over the12” especially in canola which you have probably seen for yourself Reply With Quote

  • Jun 27, 2022 | 21:58 49 Actually learned a lot by watching what you and Allan were doing for years very close

    Understood way more from you guys than any “agronomist or canola council expert”
    Thinking outside the box has been a Pilar for me ever since
    Last edited by furrowtickler; Jun 27, 2022 at 22:00.
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    Jun 28, 2022 | 07:16 50 As farmers we can assume things, (seeding rates, varieties, row spacing,seeding equipment, chemicals). It is performing side by sides that prove the assumptions right or wrong. Looking forward to the results in your trials Reply With Quote
    jazz's Avatar Jun 28, 2022 | 07:21 51
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    Has anyone done any side by side trials with canola seed size?.
    You have to be able to get the bigger seed sizes first. I have been requesting them for 3 years straight, always seem to get B size.

    They will tell you size doesnt matter but we all know it does. Reply With Quote
    Jul 1, 2022 | 18:00 52
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    You have to be able to get the bigger seed sizes first. I have been requesting them for 3 years straight, always seem to get B size.

    They will tell you size doesnt matter but we all know it does.
    There was a thread about seed size earlier this spring and a reference to a study on seed size Reply With Quote
    Jul 1, 2022 | 21:23 53
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    There was a thread about seed size earlier this spring and a reference to a study on seed size
    I remember seeing someone posting they did some trials or was it a Sask equipment manufacturer were doing these trials on their farm and bigger seeds always did better Reply With Quote
    Jul 1, 2022 | 21:38 54
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Corn 🌽 plots , 14 varieties there. 7 early and 7 mid to late maturity.




    Soybeans, just 2 early varieties
    Going to need a miracle to be knee high by 4th of July! Corn and Soy are warm blooded crops... cool Augusts... just like growing Lentils... make maturing these crops with mature decent yields... a 1 year in 5 proposition... unless you believe in global warming... which fails to materialize in last half August/September much too often...[3 out of 5 years]. Reply With Quote
    Jul 2, 2022 | 01:42 55 Outside of last summer I swear we are getting colder. Can remember as a young kid it so hot especially the fall we’d be harvesting and it was bloody hot at night. Haven’t seen that for years it seems. Reply With Quote
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  • Austranada's Avatar Jul 2, 2022 | 04:07 56
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    New clearfield wheat , CDC Pilar we put on clearfield canola stubble .. was worried about ares carryover



    Sprayed with Pixxaro and generic horizon.
    Did you cut the roots off?
    Piss poor root shoot ratio don't you think? What if mother nature turns the taps off Reply With Quote
    Jul 2, 2022 | 05:20 57 Just pulled from surface

    Anything we dug out is just fine
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    Jul 2, 2022 | 05:33 58
    Quote Originally Posted by WiltonRanch View Post
    Outside of last summer I swear we are getting colder. Can remember as a young kid it so hot especially the fall we’d be harvesting and it was bloody hot at night. Haven’t seen that for years it seems.
    Agreed , last summer was definitely an outlier in the past 5-6 years . Reply With Quote
    Jul 2, 2022 | 07:03 59
    Quote Originally Posted by Austranada View Post
    Did you cut the roots off?
    Piss poor root shoot ratio don't you think? What if mother nature turns the taps off
    In fact , the soil amendment we are using now is making a huge difference in our clay soils ..



    Building carbon without the Gabe Brown system…. Reply With Quote
    Jul 2, 2022 | 07:06 60 First year of soil treatment , only one shot so far



    Two years of Crop Aid Plus soil amendment



    By the way this product was developed in Australia
    Last edited by furrowtickler; Jul 2, 2022 at 07:19.
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