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Jun 18, 2022 | 12:05 1 We have both Invigor 340 and 345 in this spring the 340 came up well and is looking good , the 345 is horrible. we have a side by side same day seeded at recommended rates in the same field that supports this . Are others seeing this ? Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 18, 2022 | 12:37 2
    Quote Originally Posted by mcfarms View Post
    We have both Invigor 340 and 345 in this spring the 340 came up well and is looking good , the 345 is horrible. we have a side by side same day seeded at recommended rates in the same field that supports this . Are others seeing this ?
    Not much help. I grew Invigor 345 with Prosper, Canterra CS4000 with fortenza advanced and Pioneer 506 and 509 with Lumiderm. Pioneer 506 and 509 look the best. 345 on barley stubble a close second, 345 on pea stubble require spraying for flea beetles, looks good now. Canterra is certainly the slowest. One field required spraying for flea beetles, the other field is doing better with no spray. Both on CPS stubble. Any trash issues and germ is slow and beetles having a blast. This rain is certainly helping now. Reply With Quote
    Partners's Avatar Jun 18, 2022 | 13:26 3 Local dealer says some invigor is very poor germ.. Reply With Quote
    Jun 18, 2022 | 13:34 4 wished they all grew like pioneer P508CL!! Reply With Quote
    Jun 18, 2022 | 14:06 5
    Quote Originally Posted by mcfarms View Post
    We have both Invigor 340 and 345 in this spring the 340 came up well and is looking good , the 345 is horrible. we have a side by side same day seeded at recommended rates in the same field that supports this . Are others seeing this ?
    We grew 345 two years ago and it was dog back then compared to 340 and 255. Pencil sized stalks that fell over and diseased up. Might work better south of Saskatchewan highway 16 ?? Reply With Quote
    Jun 18, 2022 | 23:26 6
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
    Not much help. I grew Invigor 345 with Prosper, Canterra CS4000 with fortenza advanced and Pioneer 506 and 509 with Lumiderm. Pioneer 506 and 509 look the best. 345 on barley stubble a close second, 345 on pea stubble require spraying for flea beetles, looks good now. Canterra is certainly the slowest. One field required spraying for flea beetles, the other field is doing better with no spray. Both on CPS stubble. Any trash issues and germ is slow and beetles having a blast. This rain is certainly helping now.
    Ya our 345 is crap. Don’t worry we are sending in some seed to 2 different seed lab. Will check germ and vigor. Probably half old blended seed. Junk.
    I have never sprayed a field with helix on it for beetles but have had to spray proper every year. Should tell you something
    Sound like the Invigor canola is planning for a price increase next year. That’s good because if it has anything on other then helix or buteo o won’t buy it.
    They can stick it you know where.
    I really hope someone real smart with a plan can implement a boycott of Basf Invigor canola. They need a wake up call. How else can you hire loads of AG grads and give them a company cell a company vehicle an expense account and pay them more then the producer makes and he has millions in the game. Houston we have a problem. That seed is prices completely out of control. I hope they go through some tough times. Would love to see a boycot. That would smarten them up.
    I am almost to the point where I would like to remove canola completely from my farm. Way to much risk. Way way to exspensive. And way to tricky to get perfect emergence Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 19, 2022 | 00:02 7 yea this BASF liberty grab/gouge is the last straw Reply With Quote

  • Jun 19, 2022 | 00:09 8 Need to ask urself, does anyone have vigor results on their seed lot they seeded?…. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 19, 2022 | 00:18 9
    Quote Originally Posted by Herc View Post
    Need to ask urself, does anyone have vigor results on their seed lot they seeded?….
    I would bet the companies all have vigor test. I don’t believe certified canola needs it but how the hell can you charge 800 a bushels if it can’t get out of the ground. Isn’t that why we that much for it. It should be good. Poor quality will kill seed sales real quick. No company would or should sell low vigor seed. Or would they. Reply With Quote
    Jun 19, 2022 | 00:19 10 Same issues with my 357 and 356. Horrible germ, with just weak sick plants coming out of the ground. Got decimated by flea beetles. It seems to be growing out of it a bit, but at least a week to 10 days behind the DeKalb in the same field.

    We all knew BASF was going to **** up invigour and everything involved with it. Just thought it would take longer than 2-3 years. I've seeded 95% of my canola acres exclusively to invigour since it came out. In all my trials over the past 3 years DeKalb canola has been every bit as good, so I think it's time for a switch.
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  • Jun 19, 2022 | 00:53 11
    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyJeremiah View Post
    Same issues with my 357 and 356. Horrible germ, with just weak sick plants coming out of the ground. Got decimated by flea beetles. It seems to be growing out of it a bit, but at least a week to 10 days behind the DeKalb in the same field.

    We all new BASF was going to **** up invigour and everything involved with it. Just thought it would take longer than 2-3 years. I've seeded 95% of my canola acres exclusively to invigour since it came out. In all my trials over the past 3 years DeKalb canola has been every bit as good, so I think it's time for a switch.
    Interesting you mention Dekalb. Neighbour is a big Dekalb user, his canola looks quite good, all has Buteo start on it. Talked to my dealer, his 2 field scouts finding Buteo start outperforming Lumiderm this year in the dry conditions. We seeded a couple hundred acres of Pioneer RR canola for a neighbour, it looks really good. It was seeded right after a rain, was treated with Lumiderm, timing sometimes matters more than anything else. Tkw was all quite high this year, ranged from 5.4 up to 7 if memory serves me correctly. The Pioneer 506 had only an 85% germ so they gave me extra bags but still has the best stand.

    Getting back to 345, another neighbour did a canola trial last year, with 10 varieties in strip trials. 345 and CS4000 were the top 2, I can’t remember which was first, 506 I think was 3rd. All were straight cut and weighed. I liked the look of the 340 but it was in the middle somewhere, as was the 255. Reply With Quote
    Jun 19, 2022 | 01:38 12
    Quote Originally Posted by Spyguy View Post
    Ya our 345 is crap. Don’t worry we are sending in some seed to 2 different seed lab. Will check germ and vigor. Probably half old blended seed. Junk.
    I have never sprayed a field with helix on it for beetles but have had to spray proper every year. Should tell you something
    Sound like the Invigor canola is planning for a price increase next year. That’s good because if it has anything on other then helix or buteo o won’t buy it.
    They can stick it you know where.
    I really hope someone real smart with a plan can implement a boycott of Basf Invigor canola. They need a wake up call. How else can you hire loads of AG grads and give them a company cell a company vehicle an expense account and pay them more then the producer makes and he has millions in the game. Houston we have a problem. That seed is prices completely out of control. I hope they go through some tough times. Would love to see a boycot. That would smarten them up.
    I am almost to the point where I would like to remove canola completely from my farm. Way to much risk. Way way to exspensive. And way to tricky to get perfect emergence
    Planted less canola than usual. All rr variety that is last year I can get it. BASF sounds like they f’d invigour but Dekalb and their tf varieties I’m not convinced they’re quite ready neither. I don’t know how much longer before any canola is really worth growing. Especially in areas where yield is so variable year to year. Some years I can easily hit the 50’s but a lot of years it ranges well south of that. My general area is usually close to 50% canola but this year it is not. People are lengthening out rotations which is great because the crop is not the Cinderella like it was. Reply With Quote
    Templeboy's Avatar Jun 19, 2022 | 09:04 13 This is a widespread problem, if you have issues - make a claim. I have 2 different varieties, one no problem, one has been in distress since seeding. The one shows heavy fungicide/insecticide halo on the cots, taking along time to push out the first leaf. It appears like it may have been frost, but its not. I think it is a week to 10 days behind. Some years no problem, this year watch out! I believe this could be a LOT specific problem, not necessarily a variety problem. Reply With Quote
    jazz's Avatar Jun 19, 2022 | 09:49 14 This is a clear example of over development of these varieties. Trying to goose certain characteristics is causing problems in other traits.

    They hit the high water mark with 140 and 233. Should have stopped there. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 19, 2022 | 10:38 15 In our area 5540 was the best for us, L340 is also looking good of the present varieties. Reply With Quote
    makar's Avatar Jun 19, 2022 | 11:27 16 Years ago a neighbor had a canola test plot on his land, strips were all numbered no variety shown. There was a big difference with one outstanding. He kept after them to tell him what it was so could buy that seed. They finally admitted it was all the same just different seed lots. Reply With Quote

  • Jun 19, 2022 | 14:03 17

    340 on the left 345 on the right, same hour same depth same packing pressure Reply With Quote
    Jun 19, 2022 | 20:33 18 I have the same thing going on. L340 is excellent, the L258 has no vigor Reply With Quote
    Jun 20, 2022 | 01:20 19
    Quote Originally Posted by poorboy View Post
    I have the same thing going on. L340 is excellent, the L258 has no vigor
    I have grown 258 for quite a few years and last year I had none and this year a little. You are right it is a slow dog. However as slow as it is our 345 is way worse. Had some fields same day. Same depth same fan speed same fertility and same speed. If that 345 has any vigor at all I would be shocked.
    The other this is treatments. If I can’t get canola seed with helix and buteo I am not going to use it.
    Our seed was b so 4.7 pounds. If the clowns would have left it as sold in 50 pound bags we would have some large seed and medium to small. Possible the larger seeds would have more energy to push out when maybe slightly smaller won’t make it.
    The price of this crap should be 50% less. At 4-500 dollars a bag maybe I could see the value in it but at 800-1000 the risk level is way to high. Wouldn’t take me very long to talk myself out of growing it. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 20, 2022 | 06:07 20 P509 L , planted May 25 at 2.5 lbs


    P505 L , cert 2 , planted May 20 at 2.5 lbs


    Very impressed with B1030 , handled early frosts and dry conditions very well, far better than PV591 seeded same time , same fertility, same wheat stubble . Big difference
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  • Jun 20, 2022 | 11:40 21 Anyone else find PV 591 very sluggish and weak ? Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Jun 20, 2022 | 18:25 22 Even OLD Dekalb 7565 is fine, with Buteo, this pic is beside 2021 field...seeded May 26 with that low value 5710

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  • Jun 24, 2022 | 13:54 23 BASF came out with a statement
    From real agriculture

    BASF says it is investigating an issue with the performance of some InVigor canola seed in Western Canada.

    The company issued a statement on Thursday saying it “has been made aware that certain InVigor canola hybrids may be experiencing slow emergence in select geographies…”

    “We have a dedicated team examining possible contributing factors,” the company said.

    InVigor varieties account for the majority of Canadian canola acres.

    The company also debuted a new seed treatment, called Vercoras, on a portion of InVigor seed in 2022.

    BASF says it will provide an update on its “review” as soon as possible.

    More to come.
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    jazz's Avatar Jun 24, 2022 | 15:51 24
    Quote Originally Posted by mcfarms View Post
    “We have a dedicated team examining possible contributing factors,” the company said..
    We know how that ends, it was the farmers fault.

    My 233 has performed like shit. 5 weeks in the ground and you can now just barely make out the rows. Absolutely no vigor. Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Jun 24, 2022 | 15:59 25 Let's rename it BASF WithoutVigor... Reply With Quote
    Jun 27, 2022 | 07:49 26 The P505 MSL and P509L came up quick and are really moving along now

    505 , Planted May 21


    509 , planted May 25

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    Jun 27, 2022 | 08:00 27 Here was the 1 PM wakeup call from yesterday
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  • Jun 27, 2022 | 08:05 28 Excellent graphs Larry , and they show exactly what most are seeing on the ground in many areas . This crop in general is way behind other than a few pockets Reply With Quote
    Jun 27, 2022 | 08:06 29
    Quote Originally Posted by LWeber View Post
    Here was the 1 PM wakeup call from yesterday
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    Good charts, do people feel the crops are just further behind compared to “normal” or are things just that ugly out west? Reply With Quote
    Jun 27, 2022 | 08:16 30
    Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
    Let's rename it BASF WithoutVigor...
    BASF unvigour Reply With Quote