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jazz's Avatar Sep 12, 2022 | 20:32 31 You could throw $100B a yr into reserves and wouldnt make a scratch.

Why not put all those money making windmills and solar panels on the reserves chuck. Win Win Reply With Quote
Sep 13, 2022 | 07:12 32 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/truth-and-reconciliation-94-calls-to-action-1.3362258

Truth and Reconciliation offers 94 'calls to action'
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Commission urges all levels of government to work together and advance

Here are the 94 recomendations:

On Education as an example take a look and tell us why these aren't good ideas.
Education

6. We call upon the Government of Canada to repeal Section 43 of the Criminal Code of Canada.

7. We call upon the federal government to develop with Aboriginal groups a joint strategy to eliminate educational and employment gaps between Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal Canadians.

8. We call upon the federal government to eliminate the discrepancy in federal education funding for First Nations children being educated on reserves and those First Nations children being educated off reserves.

9. We call upon the federal government to prepare and publish annual reports comparing funding for the education of First Nations children on and off reserves, as well as educational and income attainments of Aboriginal peoples in Canada compared with non-Aboriginal people.

10. We call on the federal government to draft new Aboriginal education legislation with the full participation and informed consent of Aboriginal peoples. The new legislation would include a commitment to sufficient funding and would incorporate the following principles …

11. We call upon the federal government to provide adequate funding to end the backlog of First Nations students seeking a post-secondary education.

12. We call upon the federal, provincial, territorial, and Aboriginal governments to develop culturally appropriate early childhood education programs for Aboriginal families. Reply With Quote
Sep 13, 2022 | 13:51 33 Can’t argue with this. Education is key and quality on par with off reserve is only fair. Now it’s the responsibility of parents to make it a point to send them and give a shit. Breakfast and lunch programs go a long way for both reserve and off reserve schools. Little things make big things happen. Same with cultural stuff. If you have something to feel proud about and have responsibilities your sense of worth goes up big time. The Indian relay races are a big thing and you wouldn’t believe the impact it is making on the youth. Little things. Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 13, 2022 | 15:06 34
    Quote Originally Posted by WiltonRanch View Post
    Can’t argue with this. Education is key and quality on par with off reserve is only fair. Now it’s the responsibility of parents to make it a point to send them and give a shit. Breakfast and lunch programs go a long way for both reserve and off reserve schools. Little things make big things happen. Same with cultural stuff. If you have something to feel proud about and have responsibilities your sense of worth goes up big time. The Indian relay races are a big thing and you wouldn’t believe the impact it is making on the youth. Little things.
    It’s called leadership, starts at home , schools then band offices with leadership and accountability. It’s been very successful on some First Nations ….. just need the will to implement

    Sometimes more money just creates more issues
    Last edited by furrowtickler; Sep 13, 2022 at 15:27.
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  • Sep 13, 2022 | 16:48 35
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    It’s called leadership, starts at home , schools then band offices with leadership and accountability. It’s been very successful on some First Nations ….. just need the will to implement

    Sometimes more money just creates more issues
    You cultivate good leadership and ambition by rewarding it and not corruption and laziness. Like I was saying about the relay races. Local guy has started a mentorship program with the young at local reserves training them to start their own relay teams. Guys like him need to be encouraged. The old chief who blows money on his own personal endeavours or gets sucked in by shysters should go. No accountability of chief and council to the people. Ones that actually are should be commended cause there isn’t much in way of legal obligation to do so. Reply With Quote

  • fjlip's Avatar Sep 14, 2022 | 06:58 36
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    It’s called leadership, starts at home , schools then band offices with leadership and accountability. It’s been very successful on some First Nations ….. just need the will to implement

    Sometimes more money just creates more issues
    See Osoyoos band and Chief Clarence... Reply With Quote
    Sep 14, 2022 | 07:09 37 Leadership is required on all sides.

    Acknowledging and accepting the harm that was done and is still occurring is showing real leadership. Reply With Quote

  • Sep 14, 2022 | 07:39 38 Thank you chuck, for actually answering a question honestly and genuinely. No name calling, no flat Earth comments, no racist allegations. That wasn't so hard , now was it.

    Nothing to disagree with in your answer.
    Do you have any suggestions on how to improve uptake on the education, regardless of budget concerns?
    My understanding is that uptake is a bigger issue than the funding. The old, you can lead a horse to water conundrum.
    In fact I think we may have tried something like this before. And it didn't go over very well. They called it residential schools. Are you proposing Something along those lines?
    Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Sep 14, 2022 at 08:46.
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    fjlip's Avatar Sep 14, 2022 | 10:03 39 Ya let's FORCE leadership and education uptake....maybe in concentration camps if they don't comply?

    How the he ll does accepting harm help them change? Reply With Quote

  • cropgrower's Avatar Sep 14, 2022 | 10:36 40 give people a reason to get out of bed in the morning , employment not welfare cheques Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 14, 2022 | 10:53 41
    Quote Originally Posted by cropgrower View Post
    give people a reason to get out of bed in the morning , employment not welfare cheques
    Maybe if the useful idiots such as Chuck were to quit opposing every possible resource development which the first Nations themselves are in favor of(as per 5he poll I posted on this thread), they would have those employment and business opportunities and royalty revenues already.
    Last edited by AlbertaFarmer5; Sep 14, 2022 at 13:22.
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  • Sep 14, 2022 | 11:32 42
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    Maybe if the useful idiots such as Chuck were to quit opposing every possibleresource development which the first Nations themselves are in favor of, they would have those employment and business opportunities and royalty revenues already.
    Exactly! Look at onion lake reserve north of Lloyd. They have their own oil company complete from drilling to production and transport. Lot of residents are employed even non natives. Had their troubles with a corrupt chief and drugs and bad buggers but the ambitious ones with heads on their shoulders are doing alright. Some ways the government and the Indian act has to get out of their way and treat them as equals. In the same breath the natives need to act as equals. Mutual respect and understanding. Reply With Quote

  • Sep 14, 2022 | 20:25 43
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Leadership is required on all sides.

    Acknowledging and accepting the harm that was done and is still occurring is showing real leadership.
    yes you are absolutely right chuck, Leadership is required on all sides.
    thats what harper was trying to do , make them accountable for the money
    but your boy wonder f u c k e d that up
    now there is no accountability Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 14, 2022 | 20:42 44
    Quote Originally Posted by cropgrower View Post
    give people a reason to get out of bed in the morning , employment not welfare cheques
    Ronald Reagan won his biggest majority with a campaign that included reference to more employment and less welfare.
    His speech suggested that there was no pride or happiness on the dole.
    Government could not make the country recover. The hard work of the people is what makes countries great. Can't happen if Government gets in the way.
    I think that's the message Poilievre is going to try get through. Reply With Quote

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  • Sep 15, 2022 | 07:29 46
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    Maybe if the useful idiots such as Chuck were to quit opposing every possible resource development which the first Nations themselves are in favor of(as per 5he poll I posted on this thread), they would have those employment and business opportunities and royalty revenues already.
    I am not opposed to resource development.

    What I am oppossed to is irresponsible resource development that causes irreparable harm to the environment and sets the world on path to catastrophic irreversible climate change. Reply With Quote
    Sep 15, 2022 | 16:54 47
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    I am not opposed to resource development.

    What I am oppossed to is irresponsible resource development that causes irreparable harm to the environment and sets the world on path to catastrophic irreversible climate change.
    Agree on irreparable harm .
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  • Sep 15, 2022 | 16:55 48 And the climate change over exaggeration. Well …
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  • Sep 15, 2022 | 17:55 49 Chucks word is truth. Never mind the facts. No happy medium. Ride the virtue signaling pendulum. Reply With Quote

  • Sep 15, 2022 | 19:50 50 I quit making predictions on outcomes of elections and crop yields ages ago because experience humbles your hubris if you care to learn. Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 16, 2022 | 07:21 51 There is declining small fringe group of people who still don't think that humans and fossil energy sources are causing climate change.

    Even Pierre Poilievre thinks human caused climate change is real.

    Every Conservative premier across the country says the same and has policies to address climate change. Reply With Quote
    Sep 16, 2022 | 07:51 52 Chuck, you haven't responded as to how you propose to increase the uptake of education. Reply With Quote
    Sep 16, 2022 | 08:03 53 First nations education is underfunded on reserves compared to off reserve education.

    So that seems like a good place to start don't you think?

    That's the job of the leadership to bring them up to the Canadian standard. Reply With Quote
    Sep 16, 2022 | 09:47 54
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    First nations education is underfunded on reserves compared to off reserve education.

    So that seems like a good place to start don't you think?

    That's the job of the leadership to bring them up to the Canadian standard.
    Totally agree and breakfast and lunch programs as well. Enough non natives who don’t feed their kids. Make the schools the safe place where kids want to be and they will rise above. Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 16, 2022 | 12:52 55
    Quote Originally Posted by WiltonRanch View Post
    Totally agree and breakfast and lunch programs as well. Enough non natives who don’t feed their kids. Make the schools the safe place where kids want to be and they will rise above.
    Keep them safe is key yup
    Gang stuff here in NB is outa hand
    Schools under threat from the the presents of gang violence as evident by recent assault at local high school Reply With Quote
    Sep 17, 2022 | 08:13 56 I see A5 disappeared after I suggested where to start on education after he insisted.

    We could also make sure they have enough adequate housing and healthcare and programs to reduce the social problems many of which we caused by residential schools, and systemic racism.
    Last edited by chuckChuck; Sep 17, 2022 at 08:16.
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    Sep 17, 2022 | 08:22 57 Chuck, you are offering platitudes, and banalities, they sound really good, but offer absolutely no substance.
    Basically you have said pour more money into the problem, and we need leadership.

    How does that convince someone to actually attend school, and apply themselves? Reply With Quote
    Sep 17, 2022 | 08:25 58 You tell us A5. Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Sep 17, 2022 | 08:45 59
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    You tell us A5.
    let's FORCE leadership and education uptake....maybe in concentration camps if they don't comply? Reply With Quote
    Sep 17, 2022 | 08:53 60
    Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
    let's FORCE leadership and education uptake....maybe in concentration camps if they don't comply?
    That is why I keep pushing Chuck on this issue. Previous generations also came to the conclusion that education was a big part of the solution. And they found a way to enforce such a policy.

    I'm trying to see if he has a better idea of how to make this good idea a reality today, without repeating the mistakes of last time around. And of course, he won't touch this issue with a ten foot pole. Just keep repeating the word leadership, and send more money. Reply With Quote