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Oct 24, 2021 | 12:47 31
Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
The bypass and the GTH and the stadium are pretty big fails in our recent history.

The stadium is barely used and can only be operated if there are 15,000 fans in the seats. Has no utility for the general public.

The bypass goes so far outside of Regina that you could fit another Regina inside. Someone has grandiose opinions on this town.

And the GTH started out as trying to lure warehouse and container business, ended up as a payday for Boyd and crew then morphed into a chinese immigration scheme. Finally a few legit businesses have occupied it now.
You're starting to sound like an NDP, don't build anything. If we ran our farms that way we would all be 2 quarter farmers looking for government handouts Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 24, 2021 | 13:18 32
    Quote Originally Posted by sofa.king View Post
    Its pathetic. Imagine if a tragic plane crash happened at regina or saskatoon airport the whole provincial health system could fall apart. If the health system is this fragile some politicians should be in jail.
    The criminally careless ones are the ones filling the hospitals that did not believe the health care system and could have avoided having to go there. Reply With Quote
    Oct 24, 2021 | 13:58 33
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    The bypass and the GTH and the stadium are pretty big fails in our recent history.

    The stadium is barely used and can only be operated if there are 15,000 fans in the seats. Has no utility for the general public.

    The bypass goes so far outside of Regina that you could fit another Regina inside. Someone has grandiose opinions on this town.

    And the GTH started out as trying to lure warehouse and container business, ended up as a payday for Boyd and crew then morphed into a chinese immigration scheme. Finally a few legit businesses have occupied it now.
    Be glad the bypass was put that far out. Go travel circle drive in Saskatoon and see what a bypass ends up being when you have no future vision. Stadium was a waste of money. I like football but the old field was good enough for our little arena football farm team. It’s like all these big rinks that got built in these communities. It was enough of a chore to sc**** up the dough to build them but it’s the overhead that sinks them later. Local community had an old rink a bit past it’s time but nothing half a million wouldn’t fix. Well, all the big shot townies wanted a new one and expected the farms around to pony up loan guarantees. Guys did but if it wasn’t for a large corporate donor who covered it they’d be under. Still it costs lots to keep the plant and the lights on. Same time enrolment in hockey is shrinking. This is a fairly well populated area with lots of industry and young families. Lots are shying away from hockey, it’s not the only game in town. Public recreation works are a tough row to hoe. They are money pits no matter how much you rent them out. That is why they are public works. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 24, 2021 | 13:59 34
    Quote Originally Posted by newguy View Post
    The criminally careless ones are the ones filling the hospitals that did not believe the health care system and could have avoided having to go there.
    So you think! But its not so. Partially vaccinated and vaccinated is the information that I have. Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 24, 2021 | 17:35 35 The only point I was trying to make was if the province has money for varying projects , good or bad, it seems putting a few more ICU beds for either covid or regular surgeries wouldn't be the worst thing to spend money on. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 24, 2021 | 18:08 36 Ya I think the health guy should be canned. I get it that Scott gets the blame but what is health minister doing? If Scott was smart he'd get new person Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 24, 2021 | 18:09 37
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    The only point I was trying to make was if the province has money for varying projects , good or bad, it seems putting a few more ICU beds for either covid or regular surgeries wouldn't be the worst thing to spend money on.
    Well yes, my neighbor who was just told that his back surgery is almost two years out would agree that expanded surgical capacity "...wouldn't be the worst thing to spend money on."

    When I needed back surgery 6+ years ago, it was the same story. And IIRC, COVID wasn't as issue yet.

    The problem of healthcare capacity lies entirely at the feet of government and healthcare bureaucracy. It seems like extra funding goes into the pockets of the inner circle and the plebeians can suffer.

    Locally, the administrator of the catchment area rakes in huge dollars while he rides the frontliners for the care shortfalls. Reply With Quote
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  • fjlip's Avatar Oct 24, 2021 | 18:15 38
    Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
    Shahab can cry like Trudeau. 🙄
    Or like Bogosch in April 2020, on CBC for days, all the "models" were WRONG! But he got exposure. Reply With Quote
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  • jazz's Avatar Oct 24, 2021 | 18:46 39
    Quote Originally Posted by shortbox View Post
    You're starting to sound like an NDP, don't build anything. If we ran our farms that way we would all be 2 quarter farmers looking for government handouts
    Not at all, but the politics behind these projects were insane. If you were to invest funds for some venture you would be looking at maximizing value. These 3 projects had none of that.

    Case in point. At one point in these projects a very industrious person suggested the bypass be in a few miles closer to town and Mosaic be refurbished for those 10 rider games - basically building another covered side. That would have saved nearly $1B dollars which could have built an indoor hockey rink and with public rec center to replace Brandt and build 10 new schools in the city. Was rejected and that person is probably stuffing envelopes somewhere now. Reply With Quote
    Oct 24, 2021 | 22:14 40 Admittedly grant Devine was premier thru some tough years , but he did dig a hell if a hole to fill in even after selling everything that was not nailed down.
    The NDP had to be lean and mean just to get the province solvent again.
    Face it Devine spent like Trudeau.
    Money that was not there.
    You idolize one and trash the other Reply With Quote
    Oct 24, 2021 | 22:23 41
    Quote Originally Posted by sawfly1 View Post
    Admittedly grant Devine was premier thru some tough years , but he did dig a hell if a hole to fill in even after selling everything that was not nailed down.
    The NDP had to be lean and mean just to get the province solvent again.
    Face it Devine spent like Trudeau.
    Money that was not there.
    You idolize one and trash the other
    the difference between Devine and Trudeau:

    Devine invested in projects that improved Sask. and he did it during hard times creating jobs.

    Trudeau spent money during good times and to my knowledge never created any jobs or improved anything.. an example: Water systems for reserves never got built.. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 24, 2021 | 22:43 42 Any money spent on infrastructure is well spent, it will always be used with a growing population.

    Things have only gotten more expensive, how often have you seen projects skimped on only to cost a bunch later to update or postponed projects that become so cost prohibitive they never get completed.

    $600 billion and what to show for it other than a spoiled lazy weak population.

    CANADA should be the ENVY of the world!!!!

    3 months from start to of process to surgery in the private system. 2-3 years in pain otherwise.

    Governments throw money at everything thinking it will automatically fix the problem, numbers tossed around just get bigger and bigger. It’s not money, it’s the WILL that they don’t possess.

    Get off your asses and get f!!)ing job done.

    The corrupt system is BROKEN!!!!
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  • Oct 25, 2021 | 00:57 43 SUN advertises that Sask has 10,000 nurses but we are perpetually short of specialized operating room and ICU nurses. Those specially trained nurses take time, money and incentive to train. Sask Health should concentrate on subsidizing those that will train for these positions. We need resperatoligists. calgary is closest college so subsidize if trainees will come here after to work for some years. JMHO Reply With Quote

  • Oct 25, 2021 | 07:07 44 Seems like most on here are experts on saying what should have been yesterday.We all know at harvest time it is crystal clear what could have been done different to have produced a crop worth more money. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 25, 2021 | 07:58 45
    Quote Originally Posted by newguy View Post
    Seems like most on here are experts on saying what should have been yesterday.We all know at harvest time it is crystal clear what could have been done different to have produced a crop worth more money.
    Sadly, the people elected are paid to think and use some vision, they don't.

    No sense saying how much the population has grown if the rest isn't growing along with it.

    They justified the stadium because that's what big cities do.

    Big cities build ICUs. Reply With Quote
    Oct 25, 2021 | 08:05 46 Newguy, au contraire, there are perpetual deficiencies in our health system. We pay big bucks for health boards and “experts” who aren’t forward-thinking enough to pinpoint the bottlenecks and dare to make bold moves to alleviate the shortages. Importing specialized professionals is not always the answer as they aren’t necessarily familiar with our conditions and we often need them up and running when they land. Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 25, 2021 | 08:16 47 Exactly
    WTF are they paying an accountant $250 K in butt**** sask for ? Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 25, 2021 | 08:24 48
    Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
    Newguy, au contraire, there are perpetual deficiencies in our health system. We pay big bucks for health boards and “experts” who aren’t forward-thinking enough to pinpoint the bottlenecks and dare to make bold moves to alleviate the shortages. Importing specialized professionals is not always the answer as they aren’t necessarily familiar with our conditions and we often need them up and running when they land.
    so many do not believe our health care system is not working for the public's best interest.Yet the same people are now complaining they do not have enough capacity.Kind of like an atheist saying churchs too full and should build more. Reply With Quote
    Oct 25, 2021 | 11:30 49 Newguys name implies exactly what he is, a naive young mind that has a lot to learn. Reply With Quote
    Oct 25, 2021 | 12:59 50
    Quote Originally Posted by jwab View Post
    Newguys name implies exactly what he is, a naive young mind that has a lot to learn.
    do you believe our health care system has the publics best interests as a priority or not? Reply With Quote
    Oct 25, 2021 | 13:07 51 If our healthcare was looking after our best interests, we would not be at this point. The reason I say this is because if we had private care, how long would we be waiting for elective surgery? Would we be treated with Monocloidal antibodies like US as first response treatment for Covid or would there be no supply to treat me?
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    Oct 25, 2021 | 15:25 52
    Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
    If our healthcare was looking after our best interests, we would not be at this point. The reason I say this is because if we had private care, how long would we be waiting for elective surgery? Would we be treated with Monocloidal antibodies like US as first response treatment for Covid or would there be no supply to treat me?
    what would you have done differently.?the US has always promoted vaccination as the best precaution to ending up in a hospital. Reply With Quote
    Oct 25, 2021 | 15:42 53
    Quote Originally Posted by newguy View Post
    do you believe our health care system has the publics best interests as a priority or not?
    Which part of the healthcare system are you talking about?

    A family member, now retired after a lifetime of nursing and later administrative positions, would tell you that the the front line workers are for the most part are fully dedicated to giving the best care possible within their means.

    The bureaucracy and higher admin was all too frequently a different story.

    Her experience was that there are some genuinely evil, egocentric, selfish people in positions of power.

    Surprise.

    They are the ones who make the medical field hell on earth for staff and patients. And drain healthcare dollars into unproductive black holes. With impunity.

    If there were a recognized private system, it would create an implicit accountability which would benefit both systems. Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 25, 2021 | 17:33 54
    Quote Originally Posted by newguy View Post
    what would you have done differently.?the US has always promoted vaccination as the best precaution to ending up in a hospital.
    Yup, and if only it would have worked the hospitals wouldn't be filling up with victims of a failed jab... Reply With Quote
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    Oct 25, 2021 | 19:59 55
    Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
    Yup, and if only it would have worked the hospitals wouldn't be filling up with victims of a failed jab...
    You mean filling up with unvaxed i have family in medical field its sad situation. The unvaxed need to wake up to the real problem. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 25, 2021 | 22:09 56
    Quote Originally Posted by edl View Post
    You mean filling up with unvaxed i have family in medical field its sad situation. The unvaxed need to wake up to the real problem.
    just a matter if time till they get first hand experience.know of 6 extended family members ended up in hospital with covid now.2 of them died.all unvaccinated.Have not had any vaccinated extended family go to hospital with covid yet. Reply With Quote
    jazz's Avatar Oct 26, 2021 | 07:48 57
    Quote Originally Posted by edl View Post
    You mean filling up with unvaxed i have family in medical field its sad situation. The unvaxed need to wake up to the real problem.
    Ask your family in the medical field what the 30% of vaxxed patients in the hospital are being treated for? Reply With Quote
    Oct 27, 2021 | 06:52 58
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Ask your family in the medical field what the 30% of vaxxed patients in the hospital are being treated for?
    30% from 80% of the population vs 70% from 20% of the population works out unvaccinated 9.33 times more likely to be hospitalized than unvaccinated. Reply With Quote
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  • jazz's Avatar Oct 27, 2021 | 07:41 59
    Quote Originally Posted by newguy View Post
    30% from 80% of the population vs 70% from 20% of the population works out unvaccinated 9.33 times more likely to be hospitalized than unvaccinated.
    Then tell us how many measles and mumps and rubella breakthrough cases are in the hospital right now. The vaxx rate for those diseases is nearly 100%.

    There were 70 vaxxed covid patients yesterday.

    I can play this game all day long. You can play loose with stats all you want. The facts cant be hidden. Reply With Quote
    Oct 27, 2021 | 07:52 60
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Then tell us how many measles and mumps and rubella breakthrough cases are in the hospital right now.

    There were 70 vaxxed covid patients yesterday.

    I can play this game all day long. You can play loose with stats all you want. The facts cant be hidden.
    Jazz you must have studied with the "new" math! LOL

    The reality is the over whelming majority of people are vaxed yet they make up a much smaller percenatge of the hospitalized. Breakthrough cases in the elderly and immune compromised were expected. Especially with more virulent variants. They make up most of the breakthrough cases.

    Jazz imagine what would have happened with the delta variant if nobody was vaccinated, which is what you are advocating. Moe and Kenney have been pushing vaccinations as the solution. But you are still peddling PPC antivax crap.

    Many of the unavccinated are seeing their family, friends and neighbors get sick and some are ending up in the ICU and some are dying.

    Many of the previous antivaxers and people too busy to get vaccinated are now getting their shots. Reply With Quote
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