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May 2, 2021 | 08:46 61 Did you read the thread title?
Do you now think that Greenland is in Antarctica?
Even in the same hemisphere?
Does this information somehow prove that NASA is wrong, and Antarctica isn't GAINING ice mass? Reply With Quote
May 2, 2021 | 08:50 62
Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
Since you are putting words in my mouth, where did I say climate change isn't happening in western Canada? When did I say it was cooling?

I am currently a net beneficiary of the warming trend we have been in for this cycle.

Based on historical records we are now almost back to being as warm as it was during the 30's in my area.

I am now almost back to growing the types of longer season crops the old timers were growing back then, before decades of cooling made even barley and oats a questionable proposition by the late 70's.

That doesn't change the cyclical nature of climate.

I will be immensly pleased if the cycles don't repeat and we haven't already entered the next multi decade cooling phase. But I'm not holding my breathe, my business and profitability depend on getting this right.
I thought you said let the climate scientists do their work? Which climate scientists and their organizations are saying that there is a cooling trend coming?

So your specific benefits of a warming climate are more important than all the harm that will occur to the majority others on a global scale? So that's why you think warming is fine? That explains alot. Reply With Quote
May 2, 2021 | 08:54 63
Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
Did you read the thread title?
Do you now think that Greenland is in Antarctica?
Even in the same hemisphere?
Does this information somehow prove that NASA is wrong, and Antarctica isn't GAINING ice mass?
Leave the ice mass calculations to NASA and the geo scientists. You don't trusts scientist anyway. It's a commie conspiracy!

So now it's not allowed to discuss ice sheet losses in other parts of the world besides the antarctic? LOL Reply With Quote
May 2, 2021 | 08:54 64
Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
I thought you said let the climate scientists do their work? Which climate scientists and their organizations are saying that there is a cooling trend coming?

So your specific benefits of a warming climate are more important than all the harm that will occur to the majority others on a global scale? So that's why you think warming is fine? That explains alot.
We have been through this before, please find specific current examples of net detrimental effects from warming.
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  • May 2, 2021 | 08:56 65
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Leave the ice mass calculations to NASA and the geo scientists. You don't trusts scientist anyway. It's a commie conspiracy!
    I did, I left the calculations up to NASA, and they confirmed that Antarctica is gaining ice mass, completely contradicting your propaganda.
    So who has the commie conspiracy? Reply With Quote
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  • May 2, 2021 | 08:58 66 Don't run and hide A5. Which climate scientists and their organizations are saying that there is a cooling trend coming? C'mon their A5 you brought it up!

    The NASA link covers a lot of the negative impacts of climate change. Reply With Quote
    May 2, 2021 | 09:01 67
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    I did, I left the calculations up to NASA, and they confirmed that Antarctica is gaining ice mass, completely contradicting your propaganda.
    So who has the commie conspiracy?
    "Research based on observations from the Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) satellites (2002-2017) and GRACE Follow-On (since 2018 - ) indicates that between 2002 and 2020, Antarctica shed approximately 150 gigatons of ice per year,"

    https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/31158

    This from March, 2021. Read it again bud! Reply With Quote
    May 2, 2021 | 09:06 68
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    "Research based on observations from the Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) satellites (2002-2017) and GRACE Follow-On (since 2018 - ) indicates that between 2002 and 2020, Antarctica shed approximately 150 gigatons of ice per year,"

    https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/31158

    This from March, 2021. Read it again bud!
    So now you are saying that the climate scientists at NASA are wrong?

    I thought you said the science is settled?

    Are you sure you are helping your cause by contradicting yourself and the actual scientists at every step? Reply With Quote
    May 2, 2021 | 09:09 69
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    So now you are saying that the climate scientists at NASA are wrong?

    I thought you said the science is settled?

    Are you sure you are helping your cause by contradicting yourself and the actual scientists at every step?
    "Antarctica shed approximately 150 gigatons of ice per year,"

    A5 What part of this phrase don't you understand?

    watch the video:
    https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a03000...crf27_720p.mp4
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    May 2, 2021 | 09:20 70 What part of the science is not ( is never) settled did ou not understand?
    Did you read the very public debate within NASA regarding Antarctic ice gain/loss?

    You uninformed alarmists, the media, and the bureaucrats all present a certainty that the actual climate scientists do not share.
    It is not helping their credibility. Their jobs much more difficult. Reply With Quote
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  • May 2, 2021 | 09:33 71 Remember every chart is drawn by someone.
    AF5 I recommend not engaging with that guy, he’s obviously only here to push an agenda. Reply With Quote
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  • May 2, 2021 | 09:43 72
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    What part of the science is not ( is never) settled did ou not understand?
    Did you read the very public debate within NASA regarding Antarctic ice gain/loss?

    You uninformed alarmists, the media, and the bureaucrats all present a certainty that the actual climate scientists do not share.
    It is not helping their credibility. Their jobs much more difficult.
    NASA says the antarctic is losing ice mass.

    The original post by Jazz covers sea ice area expansion. It says nothing about mass measurements or land mass ice. So the area of sea ice can be expanding, but mass can still be declining.

    In any case, it is well known that the antarctic is less affected by warming for a variety of reasons. But it doesn't change the fact of accelerating ice loss in Greenland or in mountain glaciers which are more dramatic indications of a warming climate.

    But which climate scientists and their organizations are saying that there is a cooling trend coming? You still have not answered this question. Reply With Quote
    May 2, 2021 | 10:17 73
    Quote Originally Posted by jwab View Post
    Remember every chart is drawn by someone.
    AF5 I recommend not engaging with that guy, he’s obviously only here to push an agenda.
    But it is so much fun to set a trap and watch him unwittingly fall into it very single time.

    And the best part, is if you keep egging him on, and give him enough rope, he will provide all the ammunition to hang himself.
    Then learn absolutely nothing and come out guns a blazing again next time, just as overconfident, and just as wrong.

    That said, I would far sooner debate someone with some modicum of intelligence, who at least made an effort to understand the science.
    But unfortunately that isn't going to happen, because such people are smart enough to avoid defending the indefensible. An informed debate on climate change is the ultimate oxymoron. Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar May 2, 2021 | 10:31 74
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    We have been through this before, please find specific current examples of net detrimental effects from warming.
    Here are positive benefits...

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  • May 2, 2021 | 11:17 75
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    But it is so much fun to set a trap and watch him unwittingly fall into it very single time.

    And the best part, is if you keep egging him on, and give him enough rope, he will provide all the ammunition to hang himself.
    Then learn absolutely nothing and come out guns a blazing again next time, just as overconfident, and just as wrong.

    That said, I would far sooner debate someone with some modicum of intelligence, who at least made an effort to understand the science.
    But unfortunately that isn't going to happen, because such people are smart enough to avoid defending the indefensible. An informed debate on climate change is the ultimate oxymoron.
    So you just spent a couple of hours debating climate change and ice mass loss without much success and now you want to claim it was all a trap for me? You seem oblivious.

    As I predicted, another obvious distraction post and stark refusal to answer the question. Which scientific organizations say human caused climate change is not happening or that climate cooling is about to appear. C'mon A5 you can do it! If the evidence is so strong as you are claiming, that increasing carbon dioxide from fossil fuels doesn't cause climate change, there must be at least one organization!

    We know you will never answer this question. Your track record is at least consistent.

    Maybe you could plan a deniers conference at the foot of the Athabasca glacier. Hook up with the antimask, anti vax, flat earth, foamers at the mouth, for a grand conspiracy shindig. You could chant "it's all a hoax" with the echos reverberating back off the mountains. Just like the echos on agrisilly!

    Don't let flip out defend you with irrelevant arguments.
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    May 2, 2021 | 12:07 76 Just a little news story I heard on the CBC this morning.


    Newfoundland and Labrador have had warmer and dryer late winter and spring all do to Climate Change and Global warming!!!

    Good God now I am really confused! Chuck isn't this just weather? Reply With Quote
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  • May 2, 2021 | 13:40 77
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Don't run and hide A5. Which climate scientists and their organizations are saying that there is a cooling trend coming? C'mon their A5 you brought it up!

    The NASA link covers a lot of the negative impacts of climate change.

    here you go chuck

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ngeenvironment
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    May 2, 2021 | 15:58 78 6V53 the story you posted is from 2005 about a bet between climate change skeptics and a climate scientist. The climate change skeptics lost!

    I doubt A5 is willing to put his money at risk! LOL

    It was a bet any climate scientist would take.

    https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060103497

    It was 2005, and James Annan, a climate scientist at the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology, had heard enough. Some researchers and conservative thinkers who reject mainstream climate science were arguing that climate models were wrong or that Earth would enter a cooler period after solar flares faded.

    So he offered them a bet. The wager was $10,000 that the Earth would continue warming through 2017.

    The winner would be decided by comparing global surface temperatures from 1998 to 2003 with those between 2012 to 2017. Annan was confident in the climate models, which showed that it would be warmer. Seven prominent climate contrarians refused to bet. Among them was Richard Lindzen, a physicist associated with the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who has rejected mainstream climate science.

    Annan was essentially fighting with one hand behind his back. The comparison started in 1998, an anomalously warm year in the temperature records, partially driven by an El Niño. Still, Annan was confident that his science would outmatch political ideology.

    "They didn't believe what they were saying; this was the whole point to the betting," he said. "It has a serious scientific point to it. ... It's one way of making the point that they're playing debating games."

    Eventually, Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev, solar physicists at the Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics in Russia, agreed to the wager. This week, Annan declared that the contest was over and that Mashnich and Bashkirtsev had lost. It comes as NASA said this week that 2018 could be the fourth-warmest year on record and the fourth year in a row that is 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit above the 19th-century average.

    The researchers won't pay, Annan said. Neither Mashnich nor Bashkirtsev responded to questions from a reporter. Annan said Bashkirtsev wants a new bet. It would raise the stakes to $100,000 and cover another eight-year period.

    Annan has declined that offer because he doesn't think the money will ever arrive. Besides, he said, his point has already been proved.

    "It was obvious of course that this settlement risk was the biggest uncertainty right from the start," Annan wrote on his blog, announcing the contest's end Monday. "I had hoped they would value their professional reputations as worth rather more to themselves than the sums of money involved. On the other hand a certain amount of intellectual dishonesty seems necessary in order to maintain the denialist mindset."

    Annan has won money on previous climate bets. In 2016, he and climate economist Chris Hope won a £2,000 wager against members of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, a U.K.-based group that rejects climate science. The winners said 2015 would be warmer than 2008.
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    May 2, 2021 | 16:22 79 poor chucky Reply With Quote
    May 2, 2021 | 16:32 80
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Don't let flip out defend you with irrelevant arguments.
    Now that is priceless. Fjlip responds to your irrelevant off topic rant, and you accuse him of being off topic?

    And this coming from the guy whose response to Antarctica gaining ice, is to go off topic showing mountain glaciers in a different hemisphere. Talk about irrelevant. Reply With Quote
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  • May 3, 2021 | 07:52 81 Which scientific organizations say human caused climate change is not happening or that climate cooling is about to appear? Reply With Quote
    May 3, 2021 | 08:52 82
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Which scientific organizations say human caused climate change is not happening or that climate cooling is about to appear?
    all the f u c k i n g farmers that live it every day
    they can't predict weather a day away Reply With Quote
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  • May 3, 2021 | 09:01 83
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Which scientific organizations say human caused climate change is not happening or that climate cooling is about to appear?
    How many times must you beat the same dead horse.

    Consenus is not a scientific concept. It is a religious cult concept.

    100% of biblical scholars said that evolution was wrong, that the earth was the center of the universe, that the earth is only a few thousand years old etc etc. How did that consensus work out for them?

    Science evolves. Reply With Quote
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  • fjlip's Avatar May 3, 2021 | 09:11 84 Scientists....Consensus...

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    CC getting a CUT $$$ to spread the BS.
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  • May 3, 2021 | 10:00 85 Say Chuck, you never came back with a cut and paste as to when the glaciers are going to stop melting? Reply With Quote
    May 5, 2021 | 08:57 86 First flush of asparagus got wiped out by frost last night!
    THANK YOU CHUCK!!!!!! Reply With Quote