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Mar 1, 2021 | 03:52 1

Well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out Justine blew our wad and has no intention of paying it back, "it'll balance itself". The old switcheroo is coming, he'll take pensions and give UBI. It's the same, but different. He'll take our capital in exchange for future debt. Im quite sure purchasing power will only get stronger..... sarcasm. If pensions get seized, the next step is assets. How much longer are we going to let this go on for? They'll blame a virus, not their regulation. Reply With Quote

  • Mar 1, 2021 | 07:13 2 After listening to the governor of South Dakota this already has gone on too long Reply With Quote

  • Mar 1, 2021 | 07:21 3 The centers of "higher learning" have for the past decades been grooming the mindless student body - no, it's mindless corpse - for this time.

    1917 all over again. The more you have, the more they will hurt you.

    Oh well, I'm sure that Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates will be happy to turn their lil piggy bank over to the likes of the Stoned Sock Puppet and Prez Dementia to redistribute. And then live on a $2000/ month UBI handout...
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  • Mar 1, 2021 | 07:33 4 Lots of dumb ass bills are introduced and die on the order paper just prior to elections, and are only introduced late because there is no time left to be signed into law. This won't go anywhere except to the talking point section. Reply With Quote
    SASKFARMER's Avatar Mar 1, 2021 | 07:38 5 Checking your probably right but why the **** are they even considering such Bullshit is the main question.

    I don't trust the liberals a Death Tax is Coming and Capital gains are gone. Also, a tax on home sales is also in the works.

    Skippy will win again as brain-damaged Toronto voters love the free bees and arent smart enough to get who actually pays for it. Reply With Quote
    Mar 1, 2021 | 07:45 6 Bill 273 is a private members bill,not Bbill introduced by government. Private members bills rarely are introduced into law. Reply With Quote
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  • Mar 1, 2021 | 08:00 7 Dzerowicz should be running for the NDP..

    There is a a fair number of NDPers disguised as liberals.

    Paul Martin and Chretien have to be ashamed of what the party has become. Reply With Quote
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  • jazz's Avatar Mar 1, 2021 | 08:05 8 Trudeaus own pharmacare potential promise was torpedoed in a vote in the house last week. His entire party voted against it. Only NDP and Greens supported it. UBI would cost Canada $100-150B per yr forever. We could never afford it. we can afford OAS and CPP because its given to people that dont live very long.

    This bill will go the same way.

    But its a great way to get the govt on record before they go around the country promising everything. I am still waiting for our 2B trees to get planted.

    If there is a plan to just take debt and give it to various people and other countries, Trudeau excels at that. But if there is any kind of an operation plan behind it to be executed, its a fail everytime for this govt.
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    Mar 1, 2021 | 08:12 9
    Quote Originally Posted by wiseguy View Post
    Liberals are failures that are destroying canada !
    Yup and alot of them have never had a real job. Reply With Quote
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  • Mar 1, 2021 | 08:25 10 Unless things change pretty soon this govt. won't be writing checks to anybody or they won't be worth the paper they are written on. All banks talkin about their own digital currency we will be back to medieval times. You money only good within town limits or bring a COW or bag of WHEAT something of real value ! Reply With Quote
    Mar 1, 2021 | 08:27 11
    Quote Originally Posted by macdon02 View Post


    Well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out Justine blew our wad and has no intention of paying it back, "it'll balance itself". The old switcheroo is coming, he'll take pensions and give UBI. It's the same, but different. He'll take our capital in exchange for future debt. Im quite sure purchasing power will only get stronger..... sarcasm. If pensions get seized, the next step is assets. How much longer are we going to let this go on for? They'll blame a virus, not their regulation.
    Once the capital has been destroyed, there will be no means for anyone to pay that "future debt". The Canadian dollar will go to zero value. Asset seizure will come in the form of unrealized capital gains taxes. Since most people have their head in the sand on these issues, I'm not seeing light at the end of this tunnel. Reply With Quote
    Mar 1, 2021 | 08:28 12
    Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post
    Bill 273 is a private members bill,not Bbill introduced by government. Private members bills rarely are introduced into law.
    True enough. It's still worrisome that this kind of bill gets introduced at all. Reply With Quote
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  • jazz's Avatar Mar 1, 2021 | 08:39 13
    Quote Originally Posted by Austrian Economics View Post
    Once the capital has been destroyed, there will be no means for anyone to pay that "future debt". The Canadian dollar will go to zero value. Asset seizure will come in the form of unrealized capital gains taxes. Since most people have their head in the sand on these issues, I'm not seeing light at the end of this tunnel.
    We should in part be grateful for a Biden win. Now we can see the agenda being played out there first and adjust accordingly.

    We need to be on the alert for a trio of developments to determine where this country will ultimately head. First is the SC ruling on the carbon tax. That will ultimately decide how much power our govt has to squeeze the west.

    Secondly, the Ab referendum this fall. If Ab doesnt step up and try to put an end to this nonsense it will never end and we will be marginalized in our own country forever. That may have already happened. Eventually immigration will cause Toronto to have its ridings redrawn and 10 more seats will go in there.

    And lastly a Trudeau majority. He will need that to ram the changes he wants through.

    After all that, I say all bets are off in this country and it would be time to a hard protect on assets by booking those CGs into the corporation. Reply With Quote
    Mar 1, 2021 | 08:57 14 Some peoples tolerance of taxation begin with the first 5 cents.

    I don't mind paying the prescribed percent, as long as I'm still making my cut.

    I trust government to know when their limit is too much, as that will show up in the underground economy numbers.

    They know the underground economy is out of hand when too many have cowzilla's number on speed dial for barter purposes! Reply With Quote

  • Mar 1, 2021 | 09:01 15 "An analysis by the Parliamentary Budget Officer found that a federal basic income, modelled after the parameters of Ontario’s scrapped pilot, would cost $76 billion in its first year, then level off to $44 billion annually thereafter."

    So we still need social programs for those who lose their jobs and for those who are low skill, disabled, sick and unemployable. Oil workers in Alberta have been relying on CERB and then EI to get by. Low income seniors and single parents also need support. So rather than having a patchwork of programs to make sure many people don't perpetually live in poverty what are the most efficient and effective options? Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Mar 1, 2021 | 09:07 16 Either way you look at it the slide is inevitable.
    Started my exit plan last year. Reply With Quote
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  • Mar 1, 2021 | 09:09 17 The Trump and Republican plan was tax cuts for the rich and corporations and transfer the tax load to the rest. And at the same time massive fiscal spending and deficits. Almost as much as Trudeaus per capita.

    Or Alberta's 8 billion dollar deficit based on relatively low one time volatile resource revenues. But no sales tax! A sales tax would ruin the province and Alberta would start to look like Saskatchewan and Manitoba! LOL Reply With Quote
    Mar 1, 2021 | 09:10 18
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
    Either way you look at it the slide is inevitable.
    Started my exit plan last year.
    Old guys near retirement start to lose interest and energy. That is the decline that we can't avoid. Reply With Quote
    jazz's Avatar Mar 1, 2021 | 09:18 19 Chuck, Texas has 2/3rds of our population, a larger GDP a less diversified economy and they have no sales tax or state income taxes.

    A single US state outdoes an entire G7 country blessed with 100x the resources.

    We should hang our head in shame in this country for what was squandered. UBI will kill whatever spirit is left in this country. I sure as hell wont b trying to grow big crops to pay for a percentage of the population who wont leave their house. We already have a lot of those kind here. I wont play that marxist game. Reply With Quote
    Mar 1, 2021 | 09:27 20 Jazz every government provincially or federally have supported EI and social programs of some sort for a long time. EI helps pay the rent or mortgage and put food on the table. Are oil workers supposed to go cold turkey with no income after being layed off? Some are so depressed they can't get out of bed. Should we just ignore them? Reply With Quote
    Mar 1, 2021 | 09:41 21 I could possibly support a UBI under the following conditions.

    If the stated purpose is:

    1) to shrink government, not grow government.
    2)Eliminate every other social program
    3)Eliminate most of the civil service who otherwise would be administering those programs
    4)Eliminate most labour laws, particularly minium wage
    5)Oulaw labour unions, since they would no longer be necessary
    6)Total spending would actually go down not up
    7)It removes any possibilities of buying elections by promising more free stuff by increasingly taking it away from those who don't vote for them at every election. Governments can get back to governance, instead of redistribution.(Which sounds ironic given the topic, but if this was a one and done deal, then forever more, there would be no more freebie promises, instead of the creeping socialism we have now, where each party tries to out promise the other.
    8)We find some way to keep everyone motivated in spite of being paid to be demotivated, and I honestly haven't figured this one out yet.

    Since none of these seem to be true according to any analysis or experiments I've seen, I'll pass on this one. Reply With Quote

  • Mar 1, 2021 | 09:47 22
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Jazz every government provincially or federally have supported EI and social programs of some sort for a long time. EI helps pay the rent or mortgage and put food on the table. Are oil workers supposed to go cold turkey with no income after being layed off? Some are so depressed they can't get out of bed. Should we just ignore them?

    No we shouldn't ignore them.
    We should build those pipelines!
    And yes CC, we should build our green energy projects? too.
    Put people to work. Reply With Quote
    Mar 1, 2021 | 09:48 23 Maybe phuck nut shud have thot of that before he decided the oil sands were a bad thing. Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Mar 1, 2021 | 09:49 24 It can be argued that a universal income program makes a degree of sense. Can the govt be trusted to combine all other programs into one cost effectively?
    Human nature is such that more people will be on support as time goes on regardless of program design. Should we make it easier?
    I would much rather my mentally ill son have to fight at least long enough to get out of bed regardless of pay, than to never have to struggle at all. Life becomes existence without a fight of some kind. Even something as simple as getting ready for the day.
    Should we support a govt that wants to spend more money without a clue how it is made?

    If I'm old then you better hustle and raise taxes before i spend it all on hookers and blow. Reply With Quote
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  • Mar 1, 2021 | 09:51 25
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
    If I'm old then you better hustle and raise taxes before i spend it all on hookers and blow.
    You need to hurry up and spend it then, before they too get legalized and taxed. Reply With Quote
    Mar 1, 2021 | 09:57 26 Flashback to October

    Fw: LPC Strategic Committee LeakInboxLPC leaker <LPC_leaker@protonmail.com>1:47 PM (7 hours ago)

    Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
    On Saturday, October 10, 2020 1:38 PM, REMOVED <REMOVED> wrote:

    Dear REMOVED,

    I want to provide you some very important information. I’m a committee member within the Liberal Party of Canada. I sit within several committee groups but the information I am providing is originating from the Strategic Planning committee (which is steered by the PMO).

    I need to start off by saying that I’m not happy doing this but I have to. As a Canadian and more importantly as a parent who wants a better future not only for my children but for other children as well. The other reason I am doing this is because roughly 30% of the committee members are not pleased with the direction this will take Canada, but our opinions have been ignored and they plan on moving forward toward their goals. They have also made it very clear that nothing will stop the planned outcomes.

    The road map and aim was set out by the PMO and is as follows:

    – Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward. Expected by November 2020.
    – Rush the acquisition of (or construction of) isolation facilities across every province and territory. Expected by December 2020.
    – Daily new cases of COVID-19 will surge beyond capacity of testing, including increases in COVID related deaths following the same growth curves. Expected by end of November 2020.
    – Complete and total secondary lock down (much stricter than the first and second rolling phase restrictions). Expected by end of December 2020 – early January 2021
    – Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program. Expected by Q1 2021.
    – Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus (referred to as COVID-21) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.
    – Daily new cases of COVID-21 hospitalizations and COVID-19 and COVID-21 related deaths will exceed medical care facilities capacity. Expected Q1 – Q2 2021.
    – Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.
    – Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.
    – Projected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.
    – Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.

    Along with that provided road map the Strategic Planning committee was asked to design an effective way of transitioning Canadians to meet a unprecedented economic endeavor. One that would change the face of Canada and forever alter the lives of Canadians. What we were told was that in order to offset what was essentially an economic collapse on a international scale, that the federal government was going to offer Canadians a total debt relief. This is how it works: the federal government will offer to eliminate all personal debts (mortgages, loans, credit cards, etc) which all funding will be provided
    to Canada by the IMF under what will become known as the World Debt Reset program. In exchange for acceptance of this total debt forgiveness the individual would forfeit ownership of any and all property and assets forever. The individual would also have to agree to partake in the COVID-19 and COVID-21 vaccination schedule, which would provide the individual with unrestricted travel and unrestricted living even under a full lock down (through the use of photo identification referred to as Canada’s HealthPass) .

    Committee members asked who would become the owner of the forfeited property and assets in that scenario and what would happen to lenders or financial institutions, we were simply told “the World Debt Reset program will handle all of the details”. Several committee members also questioned what would happen to individuals if they refused to participate in the World Debt Reset program, or the HealthPass, or the vaccination schedule, and the answer we got was very troubling. Essentially we were told it was our duty to make sure we came up with a plan to ensure that would never happen. We were told it was in the individuals best interest to participate. When several committee members pushed relentlessly to get an answer we were told that those who refused would first live under the lock down restrictions indefinitely. And that over a short period of time as more Canadians transitioned into the debt forgiveness program, the ones who refused to participate would be deemed a public safety risk and would be relocated into isolation facilities. Once in those facilities they would be given two options, participate in the debt forgiveness program and be released, or stay indefinitely in the isolation facility under the classification of a serious public health risk and have all their assets seized.

    So as you can imagine after hearing all of this it turned into quite the heated discussion and escalated beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed before. In the end it was implied by the PMO that the whole agenda will move forward no matter who agrees with it or not. That it wont just be Canada but in fact all nations will have similar roadmaps and agendas. That we need to take advantage of the situations before us to promote change on a grander scale for the betterment of everyone. The members who were opposed and ones who brought up key issues that would arise from such a thing were completely ignored. Our opinions and concerns were ignored. We were simply told to just do it.

    All I know is that I don’t like it and I think its going to place Canadians into a dark future.

    Vancouver, Canada·Posted Today, October 14 Reply With Quote
    jazz's Avatar Mar 1, 2021 | 10:00 27 I would only support some sort of UBI is the shackles and regulations and climate and woke bullshite was taken off our economy and let it rock unimpeded. If I have to pay for the feeble minded, than I want no obstacles in my way either. Reply With Quote

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    Mar 1, 2021 | 10:01 28 With 75% of income in canuckistan being welfare in one form or another (think agristab) a UBI is not that scandalous. It merely formalizes what is already reality. The government could fire 2/3 of its workforce this morning and nobody would miss them so all those political hires are essentially UBI recipients already. If you put them on a UBI instead of government salary the cost to the tax base would actually be a savings. If there is no UBI demand for produce will fall and banks will be destabilized and they are also a major source of fake jobs in canuckistan. As other posters have pointed out, off shoring wealth like the trudeau foundation does is likely too late. Canuckistan is done. Reply With Quote
    Mar 1, 2021 | 11:08 29
    Quote Originally Posted by macdon02 View Post
    Flashback to October

    Fw: LPC Strategic Committee LeakInboxLPC leaker <LPC_leaker@protonmail.com>1:47 PM (7 hours ago)

    Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
    On Saturday, October 10, 2020 1:38 PM, REMOVED <REMOVED> wrote:

    Dear REMOVED,

    I want to provide you some very important information. I’m a committee member within the Liberal Party of Canada. I sit within several committee groups but the information I am providing is originating from the Strategic Planning committee (which is steered by the PMO).

    I need to start off by saying that I’m not happy doing this but I have to. As a Canadian and more importantly as a parent who wants a better future not only for my children but for other children as well. The other reason I am doing this is because roughly 30% of the committee members are not pleased with the direction this will take Canada, but our opinions have been ignored and they plan on moving forward toward their goals. They have also made it very clear that nothing will stop the planned outcomes.

    The road map and aim was set out by the PMO and is as follows:

    – Phase in secondary lock down restrictions on a rolling basis, starting with major metropolitan areas first and expanding outward. Expected by November 2020.
    – Rush the acquisition of (or construction of) isolation facilities across every province and territory. Expected by December 2020.
    – Daily new cases of COVID-19 will surge beyond capacity of testing, including increases in COVID related deaths following the same growth curves. Expected by end of November 2020.
    – Complete and total secondary lock down (much stricter than the first and second rolling phase restrictions). Expected by end of December 2020 – early January 2021
    – Reform and expansion of the unemployment program to be transitioned into the universal basic income program. Expected by Q1 2021.
    – Projected COVID-19 mutation and/or co-infection with secondary virus (referred to as COVID-21) leading to a third wave with much higher mortality rate and higher rate of infection. Expected by February 2021.
    – Daily new cases of COVID-21 hospitalizations and COVID-19 and COVID-21 related deaths will exceed medical care facilities capacity. Expected Q1 – Q2 2021.
    – Enhanced lock down restrictions (referred to as Third Lock Down) will be implemented. Full travel restrictions will be imposed (including inter-province and inter-city). Expected Q2 2021.
    – Transitioning of individuals into the universal basic income program. Expected mid Q2 2021.
    – Projected supply chain break downs, inventory shortages, large economic instability. Expected late Q2 2021.
    – Deployment of military personnel into major metropolitan areas as well as all major roadways to establish travel checkpoints. Restrict travel and movement. Provide logistical support to the area. Expected by Q3 2021.

    Along with that provided road map the Strategic Planning committee was asked to design an effective way of transitioning Canadians to meet a unprecedented economic endeavor. One that would change the face of Canada and forever alter the lives of Canadians. What we were told was that in order to offset what was essentially an economic collapse on a international scale, that the federal government was going to offer Canadians a total debt relief. This is how it works: the federal government will offer to eliminate all personal debts (mortgages, loans, credit cards, etc) which all funding will be provided
    to Canada by the IMF under what will become known as the World Debt Reset program. In exchange for acceptance of this total debt forgiveness the individual would forfeit ownership of any and all property and assets forever. The individual would also have to agree to partake in the COVID-19 and COVID-21 vaccination schedule, which would provide the individual with unrestricted travel and unrestricted living even under a full lock down (through the use of photo identification referred to as Canada’s HealthPass) .

    Committee members asked who would become the owner of the forfeited property and assets in that scenario and what would happen to lenders or financial institutions, we were simply told “the World Debt Reset program will handle all of the details”. Several committee members also questioned what would happen to individuals if they refused to participate in the World Debt Reset program, or the HealthPass, or the vaccination schedule, and the answer we got was very troubling. Essentially we were told it was our duty to make sure we came up with a plan to ensure that would never happen. We were told it was in the individuals best interest to participate. When several committee members pushed relentlessly to get an answer we were told that those who refused would first live under the lock down restrictions indefinitely. And that over a short period of time as more Canadians transitioned into the debt forgiveness program, the ones who refused to participate would be deemed a public safety risk and would be relocated into isolation facilities. Once in those facilities they would be given two options, participate in the debt forgiveness program and be released, or stay indefinitely in the isolation facility under the classification of a serious public health risk and have all their assets seized.

    So as you can imagine after hearing all of this it turned into quite the heated discussion and escalated beyond anything I’ve ever witnessed before. In the end it was implied by the PMO that the whole agenda will move forward no matter who agrees with it or not. That it wont just be Canada but in fact all nations will have similar roadmaps and agendas. That we need to take advantage of the situations before us to promote change on a grander scale for the betterment of everyone. The members who were opposed and ones who brought up key issues that would arise from such a thing were completely ignored. Our opinions and concerns were ignored. We were simply told to just do it.

    All I know is that I don’t like it and I think its going to place Canadians into a dark future.

    Vancouver, Canada·Posted Today, October 14
    Will be interesting to see replies to this ... Reply With Quote
    Mar 1, 2021 | 11:16 30




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