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jazz's Avatar Feb 23, 2021 | 07:26 1 Otoole embarrassed the Libs in HoC yesterday by sending skippy and his cabinet running for cover while his own LPC backbenchers supported the motion against china, but will it come back to bite us?

This article specifically mentions canola as a potential target again.

Commons vote on genocide in China likely to draw rebuke from Beijing: expert Reply With Quote
SASKFARMER's Avatar Feb 23, 2021 | 07:30 2 Our Canola market is on fire and guess what I would have left this issue die. Yes, it does accomplish the fact Trudeau is a spineless freak and needs to be replaced. But China will hit one area of farms and Trudeau will do nothing to protect us. Were ****ed. Reply With Quote
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Feb 23, 2021 | 07:36 3 I have a real problem with a “motion” impacting my livelihood.

I can handle a motion backed up with real “action” impacting my livelihood.

Quit talking about things and take action... Reply With Quote
Feb 23, 2021 | 07:39 4
Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER View Post
Our Canola market is on fire and guess what I would have left this issue die. Yes, it does accomplish the fact Trudeau is a spineless freak and needs to be replaced. But China will hit one area of farms and Trudeau will do nothing to protect us. Were ****ed.
The only commodity from Canada that will make a difference to China is grain....when politicians think they did the right thing and they may well have....

I hope they don't use a 5 year olympic average to figure out what farmers are going to lose.

They should benchmark prices from today prices...and make good on their moral high horse...

While I agree with making some noise on China's genocide....

what has Canada/Trudeau done about the cultural genocide he proclaimed a few years back on the indigenous people in Canada???????

The reason Trudeau and his cabinet didn't show up is because it makes them look like hypocrites.. Reply With Quote
Feb 23, 2021 | 08:16 5 Yet the miles and miles of Walmart containers continue to travel across the prairies. If you REALLY want to make a statement kick them where it hurts. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 23, 2021 | 08:38 6 As much as I wish our leaders took a stand. This isn’t the hill to die now. You’d think the conservatives being western based would stay away from this issue. It’s just politics but they better pay up when we lose on our prices. That said, this either makes Trudeau and his simps look smart for abstaining or a bunch of spineless hypocrites. Reply With Quote
    Feb 23, 2021 | 08:55 7 Again, not a Trump fan but it was quite a while ago that he declared what China was doing a genocide against the Muslim Uighur’s and after Joe Biden became president I believe he has continued in this direction. It hasn’t hurt U.S. trade with China. I certainly realize China likes to make examples of smaller players like they have done with Australia. Personally, when the vote was 266 to O and Marc Garneau abstained “on behalf of the government of Canada”, it would appear to me that a very clear majority of MP’s backed this motion. The real question is what does it say about Trudeau, Canadians are guilty in his mind of genocide against our Indigenous peoples, he has no problem saying that but he won’t take on the Chinese?! Reply With Quote

  • Feb 23, 2021 | 09:18 8 Where is that most virtuous world leader that we have to listen to all the preaching from?

    But no, this type of thing always hits ag first.

    CPC probably won't be getting a campaign contribution from Amazon. Reply With Quote
    Feb 23, 2021 | 09:52 9 Biden's words:

    "President Biden continued in his response that he is “not going to speak out against” the Chinese Communist Party’s belligerent actions in Hong Kong, against the Uighurs, or in Taiwan."

    It seems like he's talking out both sides of his mouth.

    Not that one can really hold him responsible for anything he says, being he's nothing but a senile,demented old fart that is merely a disposable place holder for Kamala and the Marxist gang.

    Bottom line - Old Joe doesn't want to have that cash pipeline flowing from China into his pockets squeezed too hard. Reply With Quote
    Feb 23, 2021 | 10:11 10 Well I guess the two Michaels will be staying in China a lot longer now!

    There are sooooo many issues here in Canada that the official opposition party CPC should be focused on, while holding the Liberals over the coals, and this is where they spend their energy.

    You think China gives a shit about this useless motion here in Canada. China is going to continue on doing what they are doing.

    What a total waste. Great for Canadian Ag! Reply With Quote
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  • blackpowder's Avatar Feb 23, 2021 | 10:15 11 Our infant democracy at times struggles to understand The Middle Kingdom's 5000 year old identity.
    Canadian foreign policy with China has been hit and miss. Definitely naive since the tech age. CCP stole Nortel.
    Govts have increasingly gone to hand wringing and navel gazing. The UN is a lackey and we have a completely and totally juvenile Ottawa.
    Denouncing "genocide" or gender whatever nonsense checks off the boxes at home. How its done placates or pisses the CCP.
    We're no longer qualified to understand China clearly let alone deal with them.
    And no one is going to "tell" them what to do. Yes Ottawa would be oblivious if all exports from the ROC were shut in. I truly believe they are that stupid and child like.
    Taking a multi generational viewpoint impossible for us. If possible we would see stable exports short term a win over public denouncement.
    China is not a new Germany. Since 1945 our policies have centred on other nations seeing the light of Western ideals. We have yet to pull our head out of our ass.
    The people who can not leave China are destined for assimilation. Our fate yet possibly.
    Send that dame home already. Reply With Quote
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  • jazz's Avatar Feb 23, 2021 | 10:21 12
    Quote Originally Posted by foragefarmer View Post
    Well I guess the two Michaels will be staying in China a lot longer now!

    There are sooooo many issues here in Canada that the official opposition party CPC should be focused on, while holding the Liberals over the coals, and this is where they spend their energy.

    You think China gives a shit about this useless motion here in Canada. China is going to continue on doing what they are doing.

    What a total waste. Great for Canadian Ag!
    The issues that resonate with us and the good of the country forage, dont resonate with the average joe. Whether you agree with otool or not, he is trying to erode some of skippys clueless virtue signal base. Its raw politics at work.

    I would say a 3rd term of Trudeau will be far more damaging than lost canola sales at this point. Reply With Quote

  • Feb 23, 2021 | 10:28 13
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    The issues that resonate with us and the good of the country forage, dont resonate with the average joe. Whether you agree with otool or not, he is trying to erode some of skippys clueless virtue signal base. Its raw politics at work.

    I would say a 3rd term of Trudeau will be far more damaging than lost canola sales at this point.
    The canola will still find its way to china ,,,origins get changed in the middle of the pacific. Reply With Quote

  • Feb 23, 2021 | 10:35 14 Its a matter of whether we sell direct or pay a middleman. Reply With Quote
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  • fjlip's Avatar Feb 23, 2021 | 11:58 15 Been paying those for quite a while... Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 23, 2021 | 13:36 16 Hard to believe the responses about this issue. I despise trudeau with a passion and am always hollering at the tv when he gets on human rights issues like the meng issue for eg. which cost us money. Lots of comments on here over that issue as i recall.This motion was nothing more than grade 2 politics by a govt that i always support.Like has been stated we seem to be the ones that take the hit. Fortunately it looks like it has been largely ignored. I agree what is going on in china is deploarable. But i will give Trudeau a bit of of credit on this one . Probably only one. But i cant help but say i think the response here would be different if Liberals made this motion instead of CPC. I find it amusing that anytime you say anything against the popular opinion on this site you are labelled a lefty or ndp er. I know conservatives that differ on virtually every issue. Some for and against climate change . Lord help me but on both sides of past cwb debate for eg. But all vote cpc.We coffee together and drink together . But on this site it seems all in or nothing. Just sayin. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 23, 2021 | 14:30 17 I agree, if the CPC was in power and Libs made the motion, the leading PM and cabinet would act the same, for just plain diplomacy reasons.
    Just a show. Don’t believe this helped or hurt any current MPs. Reply With Quote
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  • jazz's Avatar Feb 23, 2021 | 14:48 18
    Quote Originally Posted by katoe View Post
    Hard to believe the responses about this issue.
    You are still operating from the last generations political play book. In those times, the good of the country would come before all petty politics.

    Trudeau and his ilk have destroyed that. The CPC has been crowing from the rooftops about return to sound management of this country and its economy but they get silenced and ignored by MSM and the country. Its all divisive identity politics now that sells.

    I dont want to invite pain to our sector, but you have to admit Otoole trolled Trudeau big time and one upped him. He got a lot of attention out of it and might have gained some more eyeballs now. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 23, 2021 | 15:58 19 China's initial response to O'Toole motion

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...?ocid=msedgdhp
    Last edited by dmlfarmer; Feb 23, 2021 at 16:00.
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    Feb 23, 2021 | 16:06 20 Stoush still going on here.

    Funny though they’ve banned now some lumber, crayfish or lobster as you call it, barley wine coal, and iron ore was mottled.

    Still buying wheat at about 25% reduction on normal.

    Oddly there moving backing into our coal and iron ore last few weeks as it’s a “premium” product. And others have put price up cause they know China can’t get it from oz.

    Forage is right they really don’t give a stuff, but in same breath hit you were it hurts take if you speak against them.

    Covid human rights hk and investment in oz which has been curtailed or limited with current govt. so they play schoolyard bully Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Feb 23, 2021 | 16:11 21 Agree, a monster BULLY, influence with their massive demand. A tough call. Only if all countries push back together. One or a few will just get beat up by the BULLY. Reply With Quote
    Feb 23, 2021 | 16:21 22 Tough call, but to do the right thing takes leadership. Trudeau scrambled over himself to call all of us Canadians genocidal. He did all he could to proclaim that we perpetrated genocide on the Indians/First Nations.

    Now, it comes back to bite him because the Chinese can and will throw that back in his face.

    What a child we have as pm. Did you see his stupid smirk when voting the other day? I think he was high as a kite. He’s an idiot and takes nothing seriously. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 25, 2021 | 16:47 23 The motion is non-binding.

    https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ter...binet-to-shame Reply With Quote
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    Feb 26, 2021 | 12:11 24 Day after the conservative,green ,bloc ndp motion to quit doing business with the richest and most populated country the markets slide hard.Only country to jump up and do this.Its like the bully telling the runt you go first and we will all watch and see what happens Reply With Quote
    Feb 26, 2021 | 17:48 25
    Quote Originally Posted by fcr View Post
    Day after the conservative,green ,bloc ndp motion to quit doing business with the richest and most populated country the markets slide hard.Only country to jump up and do this.Its like the bully telling the runt you go first and we will all watch and see what happens
    Australia gave us some indication of what might happen.

    Mandarin might be a good choice for an additional language. Reply With Quote