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Feb 19, 2021 | 10:41 1 I hope everyone gets involved in the Grain Act review. It will be a major issue if it isn't done right.

An interesting place to start is understanding how other countries are different or should I say the same. Here is a link on how the USA system works.

www.ams.usda.gov/publications/content/official-grain-inspection-weighing-system

I encourage everyone to get involved. Do you want CGC to be there In the Interest of Producers as it was initially designed or changes to be In the Interest of the Industry you sell into. Reply With Quote

  • blackpowder's Avatar Feb 19, 2021 | 18:20 2 I suppose the attitude should be that we're all in the same industry.
    But I get what you're saying. Reply With Quote
    Feb 19, 2021 | 18:56 3
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
    I suppose the attitude should be that we're all in the same industry.
    But I get what you're saying.
    Be nice to think that is the attitude but the feeling beyond the farm gate is that Farmers are only a supplier to the industry. No different than the steel industry is a supplier to the auto industry. Our forefathers saw this that is why the Grain Act and Commission was originally started. And also why Farmers owned grain companies were formed. Reply With Quote
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  • blackpowder's Avatar Feb 20, 2021 | 12:27 4 Kinda sad when nobody has anything to say. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 20, 2021 | 12:50 5
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
    Kinda sad when nobody has anything to say.
    Well on other SM sites and new media the WGEA are having their say and are going to make submissions as well as some producer groups that are sponsored by big industry players. Those are the ones that the ACT is designed to protect farmers from "In the Interest of Producers" now they are going to make the rules they are suppose to follow? Let the fox run the hen house or what? I wonder if farmers even know why the Grain Act and Grain Commission was ever started. Reply With Quote
    Feb 20, 2021 | 13:31 6 I am preparing a submission, i think is important because probably is unaware of what was here before and what we will be missing should they cave to the large grain companies. Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Feb 20, 2021 | 13:39 7 Currently trying to learn more myself.
    The CGC as a regulator and not a service provider makes sense to me.
    Somewhat related, I support the WGEAs' call for port governance modernization. Reply With Quote
    Feb 20, 2021 | 14:24 8
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
    Currently trying to learn more myself.
    The CGC as a regulator and not a service provider makes sense to me.
    Somewhat related, I support the WGEAs' call for port governance modernization.

    Have no problem with CGC not being a service provider however who is going to monitor the 3rd party service providers? Where do they get they expert training and monitors their expertise and who makes sure they can't be swayed by the very people that are paying them? It happened in the livestock industry when inspection was starting to get turned over to self regulation it can and will happen in the grain industry too. We have already had issues that may or may not be traced back to lack of inspection. Ecoli in flour Mills and glass in bread and every trade issue has been blamed on quality. The door is open for accusations is all I'm saying. Reply With Quote
    Feb 20, 2021 | 14:37 9
    Quote Originally Posted by wmoebis View Post
    Have no problem with CGC not being a service provider however who is going to monitor the 3rd party service providers? Where do they get they expert training and monitors their expertise and who makes sure they can't be swayed by the very people that are paying them? It happened in the livestock industry when inspection was starting to get turned over to self regulation it can and will happen in the grain industry too. We have already had issues that may or may not be traced back to lack of inspection. Ecoli in flour Mills and glass in bread and every trade issue has been blamed on quality. The door is open for accusations is all I'm saying.
    Grain grading is a joke but I bet you’ll defend that. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 20, 2021 | 14:41 10
    Quote Originally Posted by wmoebis View Post
    Have no problem with CGC not being a service provider however who is going to monitor the 3rd party service providers? Where do they get they expert training and monitors their expertise and who makes sure they can't be swayed by the very people that are paying them? It happened in the livestock industry when inspection was starting to get turned over to self regulation it can and will happen in the grain industry too. We have already had issues that may or may not be traced back to lack of inspection. Ecoli in flour Mills and glass in bread and every trade issue has been blamed on quality. The door is open for accusations is all I'm saying.
    Should farmers pay CGC triple or more for them to do something that numerous other companies use can do?

    How about bonding?

    Is your job based on having the GGC antiquated grading system around? Or is that job over? Reply With Quote
    Feb 20, 2021 | 14:44 11
    Quote Originally Posted by saskcanfarmer View Post
    Grain grading is a joke but I bet you’ll defend that.
    Grading or quality control? Every country in the world has quality control. Grades are rather redundant now but we still need trained people to be able to assess quality or even run the equipment that assessed it for us. Unless we think customers are going to buy damaged and diseased product the same as they will be there quality. Reply With Quote
    Feb 20, 2021 | 14:52 12
    Quote Originally Posted by wmoebis View Post
    Grading or quality control? Every country in the world has quality control. Grades are rather redundant now but we still need trained people to be able to assess quality or even run the equipment that assessed it for us. Unless we think customers are going to buy damaged and diseased product the same as they will be there quality.
    Technology/AI can virtually eliminate any and all human contact with the sample. Reply With Quote
    Feb 20, 2021 | 14:53 13
    Quote Originally Posted by saskcanfarmer View Post
    Should farmers pay CGC triple or more for them to do something that numerous other companies use can do?

    How about bonding?

    Is your job based on having the GGC antiquated grading system around? Or is that job over?
    How does your biggest competition (USA) handle quality control? Not a whole lot different only thing they don't have grades they still have visual inspection but they also have universal training.

    https://www.ams.usda.gov/publications/content/official-grain-inspection-weighing-system

    And no I have no dog in the fight but I do know the value of our quality control system. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 20, 2021 | 14:56 14
    Quote Originally Posted by wmoebis View Post
    How does your biggest competition (USA) handle quality control? Not a whole lot different only thing they don't have grades they still have visual inspection but they also have universal training.

    https://www.ams.usda.gov/publications/content/official-grain-inspection-weighing-system

    And no I have no dog in the fight but I do know the value of our quality control system.
    So you no longer have anything to do with grain grading training or whatever it was you were doing? Reply With Quote
    Feb 20, 2021 | 15:04 15
    Quote Originally Posted by saskcanfarmer View Post
    So you no longer have anything to do with grain grading training or whatever it was you were doing?
    Not since covid and no I'm not looking for a job. Reply With Quote
    Feb 20, 2021 | 15:47 16
    Quote Originally Posted by saskcanfarmer View Post
    Technology/AI can virtually eliminate any and all human contact with the sample.
    Maybe so but visual assessment gives you an indication of what the end use qualities will be and the world has become confident in our system to ensure that they get what they order.

    If farmers want to wait until every sample goes to a lab for quality assessment that is fine. Not sure we have the lab system set up to handle all those samples or the trained staff to run them but I'm sure it is doable. And I'm not against it but who runs and pays for these the labs? Reply With Quote
    Feb 20, 2021 | 16:19 17 saskwheat hired some former CWB guy to write something about the CGC / canada grain act... Reply With Quote
    Feb 20, 2021 | 16:33 18
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    saskwheat hired some former CWB guy to write something about the CGC / canada grain act...
    The CPC hired Compas review in 2006 to do an in-depth review of the CGC then turned around and only changed the things they wanted to change and repealed anything that would have helped farmers. Let me bet that very few have ever read the Old Grain Act the Grain Act after CPC made major changes and even fewer have ever read the Compas review 2006. Here's a link but pages 14 - 16 is of real interest of what should have been done instead Sec 9 and The Office of Assistant Commissioners was repealed by the Min of AG in 2010 with nothing to replace it as suggested in their very own review.

    https://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Committee/391/AGRI/Reports/RP2564356/agrirp05/agrirp05-e.pdf Reply With Quote
    Feb 23, 2021 | 09:58 19 The bit about the CGC being in conflict because it is both a regulator and a service provider is misdirection from the grain companies. The service it supplies is to the producer and the buyer, and only incidentally to the terminal company. To them it does not have to be seen as anything other than a regulator. Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Feb 23, 2021 | 10:35 20
    Quote Originally Posted by CptnObvious View Post
    The bit about the CGC being in conflict because it is both a regulator and a service provider is misdirection from the grain companies. The service it supplies is to the producer and the buyer, and only incidentally to the terminal company. To them it does not have to be seen as anything other than a regulator.
    Not conflict. Needless expensive duplication. Reply With Quote
    Feb 23, 2021 | 11:08 21
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    saskwheat hired some former CWB guy to write something about the CGC / canada grain act...
    The current Executive Director was a former policy hack at the CWB

    For what reason was this farmed out to a former CWB/G3 employee?

    What's next; $1.00 a tonne durum brokerage to Machej for anything ex LH?

    fn nepotism bs - all you left wing whacks - take a bow - these are your boyz Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 23, 2021 | 11:17 22
    Quote Originally Posted by LWeber View Post
    The current Executive Director was a former policy hack at the CWB

    For what reason was this farmed out to a former CWB/G3 employee?

    What's next; $1.00 a tonne durum brokerage to Machej for anything ex LH?

    fn nepotism bs - all you left wing whacks - take a bow - these are your boyz
    Good enough reason for me to ask for my checkoff money back. What irritates me the most is they don't mention that spending at the AGM or mention the review...and the fact they don't think farmers can think for themselves...highlights what is wrong with commissions.
    Last edited by bucket; Feb 23, 2021 at 11:47.
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  • Feb 23, 2021 | 11:35 23
    Quote Originally Posted by LWeber View Post

    fn nepotism bs - all you left wing whacks - take a bow - these are your boyz
    I'm sure you screened them all out when taking on clients, or when getting paid for various Ag committees and Boards you sat on that were paid by all types of farmers.

    There monies was no good? Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 23, 2021 | 13:01 24
    Quote Originally Posted by foragefarmer View Post
    I'm sure you screened them all out when taking on clients, or when getting paid for various Ag committees and Boards you sat on that were paid by all types of farmers.

    There monies was no good?
    there is the difference between you and I ...

    i have balls and you have none.

    fn chicken sh..it hiding like a nazi war criminal Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 23, 2021 | 14:36 25
    Quote Originally Posted by LWeber View Post
    there is the difference between you and I ...

    i have balls and you have none.

    fn chicken sh..it hiding like a nazi war criminal
    Ya big difference I'm a maker and your a taker with no skin in the game and therefore no Balls! Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Feb 23, 2021 | 14:59 26 And there is your example of the resident legacy in our industry.
    Thanks to all the predeceasers who allowed a one time mutually beneficial co-op spirit turn into an us or them argument to the death. Picking over the bones of a dinosaur while ignoring the comet. Nobody's fault on here. Perpetuation of an inherent belief.
    It's why a flamethrower was necessary in 2012 and still today. Reply With Quote
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  • blackpowder's Avatar Feb 23, 2021 | 15:10 27 I mean honestly you can't find this level of paralyzing mistrust reading grain threads from any other western nation.
    The only thing special about us is that we would make a great psychology thesis. Reply With Quote
    Feb 23, 2021 | 15:14 28
    Quote Originally Posted by foragefarmer View Post
    Ya big difference I'm a maker and your a taker with no skin in the game and therefore no Balls!
    maker...LMAO

    you p u ss y - there are no faceless makers Reply With Quote
    Feb 23, 2021 | 15:48 29 We need:
    1/ Sales reporting

    2/ Revamp risk management insurance.
    implement a short term risk management insurance model as used in the USA. Expand it to include value add buyers, and all commodities.

    Simple & comprehensive.

    Licensing and bonding fails to address the multinational risk many companies operate in.

    3/ Assistant Commissioners that engage. Reply With Quote
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  • Feb 23, 2021 | 15:53 30 Why was the Office of Assistant Commissioners vacated with no replacement? We need A Grain Farmers Advocacy Office completely separate from CGC Like the Compas review suggested. It needs even more power than was suggested back then as there is way more issues that have come up since the recommendations were made. Reply With Quote
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