Here we go again

[littledoggie]

Something I've wondered about - doesn't screwing all those solar panels onto a roof compromise the roof? Not only the weight of them, but all those holes that are punched into the roof. What happens when you need new shingles?

[Sodbuster]

Now is the time to start building new nuclear plants, the longer we wait the more it’s going to cost.

[farming101]

Storing electricity has always been expensive

[chuckChuck]

In the case of hydro, Manitoba has a surplus and is next to Saskatchewan. BC also has a significant amount of hydro and depending what happens with Site C may have more.

If you are wondering how Alberta will manage a large supply of intermittent renewables why not ask the AESO to explain their plan.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

In the case of hydro, Manitoba has a surplus and is next to Saskatchewan. BC also has a significant amount of hydro and depending what happens with Site C may have more.

If you are wondering how Alberta will manage a large supply of intermittent renewables why not ask the AESO to explain their plan.

An even easier way to see into the future as to how we might manage a large supply of intermittent unreliables, is to look at Germany, Britain, Austraila, Caifornia etc. Looks like rationing, brown outs, black outs, high costs, variable costs to discourage usage at the times it is needed most etc. are in our future. Who needs block heaters, non frozen stock waterers, at night in the winter during cold spells anyways?

[Guest]

Something I've wondered about - doesn't screwing all those solar panels onto a roof compromise the roof? Not only the weight of them, but all those holes that are punched into the roof. What happens when you need new shingles?

do you think anyone that installs green dream panels would look that far ahead, lol,lol,lol, haha , haha, lmao ???????

[GDR]

Something I've wondered about - doesn't screwing all those solar panels onto a roof compromise the roof? Not only the weight of them, but all those holes that are punched into the roof. What happens when you need new shingles?

An issue for sure but somewhat solved with solar shingles. The tesla ones look like very nice metal shingles. No idea on cost or efficiency but does sound like a good idea.

[chuckChuck]

An even easier way to see into the future as to how we might manage a large supply of intermittent unreliables, is to look at Germany, Britain, Austraila, Caifornia etc. Looks like rationing, brown outs, black outs, high costs, variable costs to discourage usage at the times it is needed most etc. are in our future. Who needs block heaters, non frozen stock waterers, at night in the winter during cold spells anyways?

A5 no doubt you are going to freeze in the dark! You better get yourself a backup generator and a wood stove, if you don't already have one. If it gets really bad you can gut one of your beasts, like Leaonardo in The Revenant, and crawl inside to escape the cold.

Again lots of broad sweeping generalizations from the everywhere man. Still haven't learned your lesson yet about broad sweeping generalizations without specific information yet?

Cheer up A5, you seem to be a bit negative about your province and its' future. If you are going to move stateside to escape the "commi environmentalists" in Alberta, don't choose North Dakota or Texas because they both have a ton of renewable electricity.

Germany, Britain, Australia, and California? Are they are all so similar in their grid system and their percentages of various types of renewable electricity and resources that they provide an example for the AESO? That's a stretch, to put it mildly. I am just not sure why the AESO isn't asking you for your sage advice to prevent the end of the civilized world in Alberta?

Why are you so afraid to look at the AESO's plan to integrate a larger amount of cheaper renewables and replace dirty coal with cleaner gas in your home province? Are you afraid of what you might find out? Looks like Alberta is going to ruin your argument against renewables and a lower carbon grid system.

[shtferbrains]

Isn't cheaper renewables kind of like hiring a cheaper hired man who spends most of the day out behind the barn jerking off or doesn't come to work at all for a week?

Not really cheaper and a not there when you need him.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

A5 no doubt you are going to freeze in the dark! You better get yourself a backup generator and a wood stove, if you don't already have one. If it gets really bad you can gut one of your beasts, like Leaonardo in The Revenant, and crawl inside to escape the cold.

Again lots of broad sweeping generalizations from the everywhere man. Still haven't learned your lesson yet about broad sweeping generalizations without specific information yet?

Cheer up A5, you seem to be a bit negative about your province and its' future. If you are going to move stateside to escape the "commi environmentalists" in Alberta, don't choose North Dakota or Texas because they both have a ton of renewable electricity.

Germany, Britain, Australia, and California? Are they are all so similar in their grid system and their percentages of various types of renewable electricity and resources that they provide an example for the AESO? That's a stretch, to put it mildly. I am just not sure why the AESO isn't asking you for your sage advice to prevent the end of the civilized world in Alberta?

Why are you so afraid to look at the AESO's plan to integrate a larger amount of cheaper renewables and replace dirty coal with cleaner gas in your home province? Are you afraid of what you might find out? Looks like Alberta is going to ruin your argument against renewables and a lower carbon grid system.

So have you checked in to the results in the jurisdictions listed? I am not making this up. They have all surpassed the saturation point for their climate and location, and are facing the consequences. Rationing is real. Prices are out of control. Black outs and brown outs are happening. And they all intend to keep making it worse.
Fortunately, we are not there yet, but we would be wise to learn some lessons from them, before we repeat the same mistakes here.

[Sodbuster]

It’s going to get really interesting when we add 10 million electric cars to the mix.

[rumrocks]

It’s going to get really interesting when we add 10 million electric cars to the mix.

City street lights will become obsolete, the overhead power lines will give off an dull orange light during the recharge.

[helmsdale]

It’s going to get really interesting when we add 10 million electric cars to the mix.

Electric vehicles are a drop in the bucket compared to electrification of the class 8 truck market. You're going to need small modular reactors dropped into every truck stop and a tripling at a minimum of the parking space. Imagine nearly the entire north american fleet looking to recharge in a 14 hour window.

[jazz]

It’s going to get really interesting when we add 10 million electric cars to the mix.

Well considering there are 1.2B veichles in the world they have a lot of work to do.

You will never see significant EV penetration into this market in your lifetime. Tesla cant even produce 100k cars a year and they still cant get one under $100k yet.

Add in the grid upgrades and renewables to support his and you are looking at 50 yrs before this unicorn takes flight.

And the capital for this? You are literally looking at trillions upon trillions in investment to do this at a rapid pace. Where are they going to get that from - print it I guess. Do some basic math, assume Elon gets viable EV down to $50k or something. To just swap all the cars on the planet would cost $50T dollars. That doesnt even count the grid and renewables cost to power the bloody things.

Thats why I think its all a scam. Its just a talking point to draw a bunch if useful idiots to support it but its really a backdoor payout for all these companies getting on board. They all know it cant be done.

[Hamloc]

A5 no doubt you are going to freeze in the dark! You better get yourself a backup generator and a wood stove, if you don't already have one. If it gets really bad you can gut one of your beasts, like Leaonardo in The Revenant, and crawl inside to escape the cold.

Again lots of broad sweeping generalizations from the everywhere man. Still haven't learned your lesson yet about broad sweeping generalizations without specific information yet?

Cheer up A5, you seem to be a bit negative about your province and its' future. If you are going to move stateside to escape the "commi environmentalists" in Alberta, don't choose North Dakota or Texas because they both have a ton of renewable electricity.

Germany, Britain, Australia, and California? Are they are all so similar in their grid system and their percentages of various types of renewable electricity and resources that they provide an example for the AESO? That's a stretch, to put it mildly. I am just not sure why the AESO isn't asking you for your sage advice to prevent the end of the civilized world in Alberta?

Why are you so afraid to look at the AESO's plan to integrate a larger amount of cheaper renewables and replace dirty coal with cleaner gas in your home province? Are you afraid of what you might find out? Looks like Alberta is going to ruin your argument against renewables and a lower carbon grid system.

Chuck2 have you found a province, state or country yet where battery power can supply all the power for days without adequate wind or solar power to recharge them? In Alberta we are in day 5 of colder weather and low wind generation. This morning Alberta’s power usage was 11048 megawatts at 7:45, a new high in the last 5 days. We were importing over 900 megawatts from B.C, Montana and Saskatchewan. Of the electricity generated in Alberta 92% was coming from natural gas and coal. 2.42% was coming from wind as wind was producing at 15% efficiency. Of course at 7:45 there was no solar production. So at this point I am certainly curious how you feel “Alberta is going to ruin your argument against renewable and a low carbon grid system”, in fact the numbers prove exactly the opposite. When it is cold and the air mass is stable in the middle of an Alberta winter wind and solar power are virtually non existent!!