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Jan 24, 2021 | 09:13 1 As Joe Biden and Justin Trudeau both try to push more and more oil workers onto the unemployment line I am fortunate enough that feeding my cattle keeps me working. Last few days our warm weather has disappeared and the cows are far more anxious to see me each day as temperatures are decidedly colder. The last few years one thing I have started doing when the weather turns in winter is watch which forms of electrical generation in Alberta are keeping my lights on. True to form both wind and solar the last 2 days have produced very little, certainly true to form during a cold still winter air mass. But I will say this both have managed to peak out at 10% efficiency producing almost 2% of Alberta’s electricity. I wish I was smart enough to create a graph that plotted Alberta’s temperature in the winter against renewable power production. I am also curious how many batteries wind turbines can charge when running at less than 10%? And incidentally roughly 94% of our electricity has been coming from fossil fuels the last couple of days, interesting times. Reply With Quote

  • Jan 24, 2021 | 09:32 2 Its really a mindset or ideology to believe in such things....good or bad it doesn't matter....

    As an example ...farmers continue to vote for conservative side of politics yet in reality the conservatives phuck them worse and other parties , like the liberals, just say they enjoy being phucked and do nothing...


    Farmers continue to vote conservative and when they finally get a conservative government they believe its better....its not...

    Just an example of being blinded by ideology....


    People have to use the organ between their ears...occasionally...when presented facts like those above in the starting thread...

    Wind and solar would have to be built at X times the rated capacity to make any sense at all...with a shorter lifespan of facilities ...it makes little to no sense except in remote areas where the load is less dependant on continuous use...

    What would it take in solar power to run Evraz day and night off solar and wind???? it has a dedicated coal plant...


    Or is it to shut down the steel plant in Regina as well and continue to buy steel from other countries as mentioned by the Union president the other day on the radio...

    And before we get into the anti science rhetoric. ..

    I believe in the proven science of sequestering carbon on farmland and the simple fact it should be compensated the same way the environmental people want compensation for my emissions. ...
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  • Jan 24, 2021 | 10:08 3 I've been watching over the same period, and can also say that the only thing reliable about unreliables, is that in our climate and latitude, they will reliably be at their lowest productivity when demand is highest.

    Queue chuck to tell us about affordable battery technology that will solve all these problems. You know, like the type he installed to make his grid tied system functional, with his own money...
    Oh ya, I almost forgot, we are the ones paying for his storage in the form of higher electricity prices. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 24, 2021 | 19:56 4 The only reliable renewable that I know of is hydro. Very easy to vary the output to match demand and as large of storage “battery” as you can engineer. In a country with so much fresh water just flowing to the ocean wouldn’t it make sense to get some usage out of it?

    No mining in third world countries for rare minerals and 100+ year lifespan to boot. Reply With Quote

  • blackpowder's Avatar Jan 24, 2021 | 20:21 5 Right now Canada couldn't build a 3 hole outhouse. Reply With Quote

  • Jan 24, 2021 | 23:47 6
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
    Right now Canada couldn't build a 3 hole outhouse.
    Pretty sure it’s illegal to use them unless they go to a septic tank. Probably not allowed to **** in the bush either.

    Victoria’s poo just goes through a 6 mm screen before it gets pumped into the ocean................... and apparently our oil is “dirty”😉 Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 25, 2021 | 02:13 7 Wondering what happens when 1B$ of lithium ion batteries meet a 9 ricter earthquake in California... or tsunami... or Iranian nuke hunting for Trump! Golfing could become a very hazardous sport!!!

    Forgot... The CIA and FBI will just blame Iran...
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    Jan 25, 2021 | 08:54 8 As I eat my breakfast I check the AESO supply and demand page. Alberta is using 10899 megawatts when I look. Of that just over 9600 is coming from coal and natural gas, 776 is being imported from B.C and Montana and 58 megawatts is coming from Alberta’s many wind farms. An amazing 3.25% of capacity!!

    In relation to Canada’s inability to build a “3 hole outhouse” here is an interesting article:
    Vancouver sun.com/opinion/columnists/vaughn-palmer-furstenau-doubles-down-on-pre-election-charges-of-site-c-coverup. The fact that this boondoggle was started by the B.C Liberal’s (center right politically) will be the first thing people like Chuck2 will point out. But the B.C Greens have long been in favour of cancelling this project and when John Horgan was first elected he made the decision to continue building this project, now there is more talk of cancelling it. FYI I am certainly a fan of hydroelectric power but like building anything in Canada, very difficult. Reply With Quote
    Jan 25, 2021 | 08:55 9 Canada already has a very large amount of hydro capacity.

    https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science-data...ty-facts/20068

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    Jan 25, 2021 | 09:11 10
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
    As I eat my breakfast I check the AESO supply and demand page. Alberta is using 10899 megawatts when I look. Of that just over 9600 is coming from coal and natural gas, 776 is being imported from B.C and Montana and 58 megawatts is coming from Alberta’s many wind farms. An amazing 3.25% of capacity!!

    In relation to Canada’s inability to build a “3 hole outhouse” here is an interesting article:
    Vancouver sun.com/opinion/columnists/vaughn-palmer-furstenau-doubles-down-on-pre-election-charges-of-site-c-coverup. The fact that this boondoggle was started by the B.C Liberal’s (center right politically) will be the first thing people like Chuck2 will point out. But the B.C Greens have long been in favour of cancelling this project and when John Horgan was first elected he made the decision to continue building this project, now there is more talk of cancelling it. FYI I am certainly a fan of hydroelectric
    power but like building anything in Canada, very difficult.
    you cant be right , alberta transitioned off of coal, chuck said Reply With Quote
    Jan 25, 2021 | 09:43 11 Hamloc was surprisingly quiet a few weeks ago when wind was rocking in the chinook with lots of mega watts.

    He's just like oneoff who intentionally waits till December when solar production is low to make a challenge between grid tied solar and grid tied flare gas. LOL

    We all know wind and solar are intermittent. So to analyse their contributions to reducing fossil energy sources you need to look at longer periods of production than just a few days. A year is good. You also need to recognize that wind and solar generation costs per Mwh are now cheaper than coal or gas according to the AESO.

    Apparently Alberta is phasing out coal and adding a lot of wind and solar with natural gas that will cover all your needs.

    The AESO says it will work, so you don't have to worry about freezing in the dark after all! LOL Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Jan 25, 2021 | 09:46 12
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Canada already has a very large amount of hydro capacity.

    https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science-data...ty-facts/20068

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    This graph shows we're pretty green already. The East has it, trades their carbon credits south, taxes us for having to use coal. Pretty clear. Thanks. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 25, 2021 | 09:57 13 We should really have more interconnections between provincial grids going east west in Canada instead of north south. Then Saskatchewan and Alberta could green up some of their electricity supply with more hydro imports.

    But provincial politicians prefer to invest in province to create more jobs from the resources at hand. Hydro imports send money out of the provincial economy. This is understandable from a political point of view. But with a major focus on a low carbon energy future increasing hydro imports make more sense. Reply With Quote
    Jan 25, 2021 | 09:59 14 No way are we taking hydro from quebec until they allow a pipeline through to the coast. Dream on chuck. Reply With Quote
    Jan 25, 2021 | 10:03 15
    Quote Originally Posted by woodland View Post
    The only reliable renewable that I know of is hydro. Very easy to vary the output to match demand and as large of storage “battery” as you can engineer. In a country with so much fresh water just flowing to the ocean wouldn’t it make sense to get some usage out of it?

    No mining in third world countries for rare minerals and 100+ year lifespan to boot.
    No new hydro dams will ever be built in this country again. All greenfield hydro dams have had massive cost overruns that are intergenerational.

    And no environmentalists or natives will allow it. Site C is the last one you will see.

    But Sask could do more with its current facility at lake Dief. without too much fuss. Reply With Quote

  • Jan 25, 2021 | 10:14 16 In saskatchewan ...it would have made more sense to build hydro than the 2 natural gas plants...

    Two reasons....1. Its a cascading effect through the Saskatchewan river system.
    2. Another reservoir would or will be essential if all the climate facts come true.

    For guys that believe in climate change it sure seems odd they would be against ensuring water is available.

    Try to build another dam today....impossible because of all the people that are environmentalists. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 25, 2021 | 10:40 17 The really only sustainable sources of energy in the future to curb greenhouse gases are hydro and nuclear. We need governments to step up to the plate and start the process soon. Wind and solar are not a replacement for other forms of energy but can produce when the sun shines and wind blows and allow us to consume less other forms of energy. On a day like today at 36C wind and solar will produce nothing and yet these are the peak days for electricity. If the greenies don’t want hydro than they will have to embrace nuclear, as it lol be the clear choice for curbing greenhouse gases. Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Jan 25, 2021 | 10:53 18
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    We should really have more interconnections between provincial grids going east west in Canada instead of north south. Then Saskatchewan and Alberta could green up some of their electricity supply with more hydro imports.

    But provincial politicians prefer to invest in province to create more jobs from the resources at hand. Hydro imports send money out of the provincial economy. This is understandable from a political point of view. But with a major focus on a low carbon energy future increasing hydro imports make more sense.
    Or with the West's uranium, we build nuclear plants and SELL the extra power.
    Trading wheat for stipends with the East getting old. Let someone else pay for the geographical expense if needed. Reply With Quote
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  • blackpowder's Avatar Jan 25, 2021 | 10:58 19
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    In saskatchewan ...it would have made more sense to build hydro than the 2 natural gas plants...

    Two reasons....1. Its a cascading effect through the Saskatchewan river system.
    2. Another reservoir would or will be essential if all the climate facts come true.

    For guys that believe in climate change it sure seems odd they would be against ensuring water is available.

    Try to build another dam today....impossible because of all the people that are environmentalists.
    Nothing passes the green sniff test.
    Nothing will get built until it's desperately obvious. And then not in the West. Natural Gas okay because its invisible. Just like the people who live out here. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 25, 2021 | 11:03 20
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    We should really have more interconnections between provincial grids going east west in Canada instead of north south. Then Saskatchewan and Alberta could green up some of their electricity supply with more hydro imports.

    But provincial politicians prefer to invest in province to create more jobs from the resources at hand. Hydro imports send money out of the provincial economy. This is understandable from a political point of view. But with a major focus on a low carbon energy future increasing hydro imports make more sense.
    As I was saying in another thread, it is impossible to have any rational discussion that involves mathematics, or physical priniciples with these type of people. They truly seem to believe that the laws of physics are mere suggestions, and that they can be bent at will to accommodate their utopian vision.

    Are you in anyway aware of the physical constraints of transmitting electricity from say Quebec to Alberta? Let alone the costs, and cost in losses, and the environmental pushback that would result from every NIMBY and watermelon, extortionist native group and pretend environmenalist blocking it every step of the way. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 25, 2021 | 11:15 21
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    Are you in anyway aware of the physical constraints of transmitting electricity from say Quebec to Alberta? Let alone the costs, and cost in losses, and the environmental pushback that would result from every NIMBY and watermelon, extortionist native group and pretend environmenalist blocking it every step of the way.
    We have a ROW connecting the country already, Transcanadas pipeline is in it. CN is in the other one. Goes all the way to Montreal and through northern Ontario.

    Its the easiest ROW to simply expand. Make a deal with Quebec and Ontario, oil, gas, LNG and eventually hydrogen goes east, hydro comes back.

    But that would be too logical thinking for a country that can barely call itself that. Reply With Quote
    Jan 25, 2021 | 11:32 22
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Canada already has a very large amount of hydro capacity.

    https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science-data...ty-facts/20068

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    So is that a reason to not have more? Seems to be a better, more economical, greener “storage” of power than some battery............... Reply With Quote
    Jan 25, 2021 | 11:35 23 Hydro will give us a supply of water for irrigation insulating us from the worst effects of global warming.

    Make us much more attractive to join USA if anything left there.

    Bucket can do the promo for that as he is familiar with the huge benefit.

    Make Saskatchewan California Again. Reply With Quote
    Jan 25, 2021 | 11:53 24
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Hamloc was surprisingly quiet a few weeks ago when wind was rocking in the chinook with lots of mega watts.

    He's just like oneoff who intentionally waits till December when solar production is low to make a challenge between grid tied solar and grid tied flare gas. LOL

    We all know wind and solar are intermittent. So to analyse their contributions to reducing fossil energy sources you need to look at longer periods of production than just a few days. A year is good. You also need to recognize that wind and solar generation costs per Mwh are now cheaper than coal or gas according to the AESO.

    Apparently Alberta is phasing out coal and adding a lot of wind and solar with natural gas that will cover all your needs.

    The AESO says it will work, so you don't have to worry about freezing in the dark after all! LOL
    Exactly the answer I expected. So during the period your referring to wind power efficiency got as high as 85%. Power draw was roughly 9600 megawatts instead of over 10800 this morning due to warmer weather. Every environmentalist says that battery power will be the solution and make all other energy sources redundant compared to renewables with battery back up. So Chuck2 here is a simple question where is there a jurisdiction where batteries can power the province, state or country for days on end with very little to no renewable production to recharge them?!?! Reply With Quote

  • Jan 25, 2021 | 12:09 25
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
    Exactly the answer I expected. So during the period your referring to wind power efficiency got as high as 85%.
    hamloc we have some virtue signalers here in Regina with rooftop solar.

    The freezing rain put a 1/4 of ice on them last week and then the hurricane drove freezing sleet then snow right on top of them which is now stuck for the winter. And nobody has bothered to climb up there and sc**** them clean. Dont even want to hire some of those good paying green jobs to climb up there and do it for them.

    So solar power equals zero for them for the rest of the season.

    Putting critical infrastructure in the path of canadian weather is just about the stupidest thing you could ever do. Thats why they spent a decade burying rural power and running gas in - one of the smartest programs ever.

    There is no place in Canada safe from the weather. Every corner has experienced a recent disaster. Remember Quebec's ice storm? Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 25, 2021 | 12:15 26 What would be wrong with smaller hydro projects, why do they have to be massive. These wind,solar projects only serve small areas at best. Some off our regular dams are getting long at the tooth on some off our lakes whynot replace them with dams with smaller generators to enhance the GRID. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 25, 2021 | 12:18 27 By the way -30 this morn and not a breath of wind or sunshine, hydro meter spinning like a top!!! Reply With Quote
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  • fjlip's Avatar Jan 25, 2021 | 16:11 28 "where is there a jurisdiction where batteries can power the province, state or country for days on end with very little to no renewable production to recharge them?!?!"

    In GREEN dreamville, BS Country. Reply With Quote
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  • Jan 26, 2021 | 09:08 29 There is a new wind farm proposed for Vulcan county near the village of Lomond. It will consist of 83 turbines spread over 17500 acres. It will cost $500 million to build and have a capacity of 514 megawatts. It will be built by a company from Germany. Their is an existing wind farm in Vulcan county called Blackspring ridge with a capacity of 300 megawatts, when I looked this morning it was producing 1 megawatt. We are on day 4 of low wind production, I am still perplexed as to how batteries charged by renewables are the answer. First off you have to have enough production to meet demand and then you need excess production to charge the batteries. In the last 4 days we have had neither. We could have 5 times as many wind turbines in Alberta this morning and they would only satisfy 12% of the demand never mind having excess power to charge batteries, fml!! Reply With Quote
    Jan 26, 2021 | 09:11 30
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
    There is a new wind farm proposed for Vulcan county near the village of Lomond. It will consist of 83 turbines spread over 17500 acres. It will cost $500 million to build and have a capacity of 514 megawatts. It will be built by a company from Germany. Their is an existing wind farm in Vulcan county called Blackspring ridge with a capacity of 300 megawatts, when I looked this morning it was producing 1 megawatt. We are on day 4 of low wind production, I am still perplexed as to how batteries charged by renewables are the answer. First off you have to have enough production to meet demand and then you need excess production to charge the batteries. In the last 4 days we have had neither. We could have 5 times as many wind turbines in Alberta this morning and they would only satisfy 12% of the demand never mind having excess power to charge batteries, fml!!

    Is this the one that will be decommissioned in 2048????? Reply With Quote