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Nov 30, 2020 | 06:44 1 Seems odd that APAS is actively lobbying for secondary industries like processors....have you ever seen graincos or meat packers lobby for farmers in front of an ag committee ?????

Using farmers lobbying resources which are being used to help industries that can extract profit from consumers or end users seems really stupid because none of the profit comes back to the farm gate...

I think people can see why farmers are irritated with our farm groups representing the wrong policy or group...using farmers money...

Every time there is an announcement using government money they always say how it will help farmers ....it just is not happening....

Protein Industries Canada always says there announcements will help farmers .....2/10ths of rain has done more good...

PIC hasn't created one BPA demand for pulses with hundreds of millions of dollars handed out...do the math...


BTW secondary industries have their own lobbyists and connections in government...
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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 06:48 2 Stockholm Syndrome comes to mind Reply With Quote
    Nov 30, 2020 | 06:56 3 Or maybe the few that supposedly represent us are looking for a directors chair...

    Look at some MLAs or wannabe MLAs when they are done with that then they run for RMs or producer groups...


    Its crazy they never did shit as an MLA or their vision as an MP was a disaster and they get elected to being a Reeve....

    What the phuck is wrong with people in Ritz's area that anyone would elect him as reeve...

    Farmers don't need name recognition representing them ...they need IQ...ffs... Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 07:01 4 Speaking of representation...the Ag critic for the conservatives...is just doing an absolute shitty job to date...just an observation of her in meetings on CPAC and in the house at question period if she ever asks a question farmer related... Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 07:07 5
    Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
    Stockholm Syndrome comes to mind
    I haven't caught that lately took me a few months to realize how the conservatives phucked farmers back in 2012...without adding any transparency to the industry...and no farm group even understands the issue...

    I won't pat backs of people that dont really have the interests of farmers as the mainstay of their representation of farmers...

    Not one group said the ask for farmers is now a drop in the bucket compared to what Trudeau has thrown away ...

    The same people that bitch about farmers in the comment section of media are the same ones that couldn't go a week without a major government bailout....while they bitch about farmers that are living with 1970 grain prices and is the only industry that put a 100 percent effort in this year ...the rest just called in the government for support...
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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 08:04 6 I would rather have industry, facilities and infrastructure here.

    Look at the meat packing industry, and cattle as a example. It went South. Reply With Quote
    Nov 30, 2020 | 08:12 7
    Quote Originally Posted by Rareearth View Post
    I would rather have industry, facilities and infrastructure here.

    Look at the meat packing industry, and cattle as a example. It went South.
    Fair enough ...can't argue your comments....but let those industries lobby for themselves...

    Farmers can lobby on their behalf....doesnt change what happens on the farm...

    As a for instance there is a new greenfield feedlot going up in Turin , Alberta by Serfas farms...should be online by march 2021 ...assuming another entrant in the market to buy my calves by that time should result in better prices for my calves..?????...not likely...wishful thinking

    But the media will say it is another market for ranchers....but it doesnt increase ranchers return at all...and more than likely there is government money in that venture....


    So while supporting secondary industries is a noble idea ...at the end of the day the endorsement does not return value to farmers and ranchers...

    While everyone uses the "...we are in this together " mantra or battle cry .....it is very far from the truth...

    If we were , in fact , in this together ....we would all be working for 2020 returns...not industry capturing the indexed returns on our 1970s prices...
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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 08:23 8 Tool Lewis was talking about a better transportation system.....I thought they were doing this since the events of 2013....same shit going on today...40 vessels out at the west coast ...but it doesnt matter because they are doing the best they can until the winter weather hits...

    No one correlates the fact with good weather they are still not keeping up to the production and export demands ...

    Walk into an elevator to deliver and they say they are working on October and November contracts....JFC....its been years to get this shit figured out how to move a 75 mmt crop....


    And then to have guys sit there in front of the ag committee and say the same phucking things they did 8 years ago about transportation....and lobby for them???????? Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 08:36 9
    Quote Originally Posted by Rareearth View Post
    I would rather have industry, facilities and infrastructure here.

    Look at the meat packing industry, and cattle as a example. It went South.
    Its also a result of government....

    Look at Moose Jaw and they use to have a Canada packers slaughter house ....old cows would come in from farmers and give them a place to sell cows without having to go through an auction...

    Couldn't have that and the government allowed it to happen....now when it opens as a sow slaughter house the government will be offering money to help it out.....

    Doesnt mean the pig farms will do any better..and most pig farms are now run by who???? You guys know the answer...

    So since 1993 we lost a plant in the heart of cattle country that would take those cows and instead made it so ranchers just shoot them for coyote bait..

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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 08:38 10 Just so you guys know...I like talking to myself.....hahaha. Reply With Quote
    Nov 30, 2020 | 08:45 11 ......its read. Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 08:58 12
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    Seems odd that APAS is actively lobbying for secondary industries like processors....have you ever seen graincos or meat packers lobby for farmers in front of an ag committee ?????

    Using farmers lobbying resources which are being used to help industries that can extract profit from consumers or end users seems really stupid because none of the profit comes back to the farm gate...

    I think people can see why farmers are irritated with our farm groups representing the wrong policy or group...using farmers money...

    Every time there is an announcement using government money they always say how it will help farmers ....it just is not happening....

    Protein Industries Canada always says there announcements will help farmers .....2/10ths of rain has done more good...

    PIC hasn't created one BPA demand for pulses with hundreds of millions of dollars handed out...do the math...


    BTW secondary industries have their own lobbyists and connections in government...
    Question for you Bucket.
    I would agree that as farmers in western Canada we have far less support from govt than most of our competitors and what supply management receives. You have distain for literally all commodity groups, APAS and any elected govt, municipal , provincial or federal. I have tried to get to crop week in Saskatoon most years and spend a day or two going to the annual meetings and talking to elected farmer board members. It always struck me of the passion they had to improve the lot of whatever crop they represented. Our local rm are members of APAS. I admit in their early years I didn't have a lot of good to say about APAS but feel they have matured in more recent years. I haven't gone to many of their meetings but follow what they are doing online and through their magazine. If I had a real beef I could get involved as they are always looking for reps it seems at times.
    From what I understand a high percentage of the provincial ag expenditure goes into crop insurance and the other support programs. For myself I would say that a real beef for me is the fact that the Ag stability program is a joke, we are losing much of the govt investment in plant breeding and poor handling of trade relationships with our trading partners has cost us dearly and the ongoing trade issues will continue to cause us problems. That being said as most western Canadian farmers, we are on our own we have had to be and nimble and efficient as we can be. It is not easy trying to find cheap land as most farmers are looking for more and many are willing to push the price up to get it. That tells me many farmers see a future.
    Back to my question , What do you want? Reply With Quote
    Nov 30, 2020 | 09:09 13 The federal government just made a SM announcement to an industry that has a formula that allows for indexing of costs to milk production....its the backbone of agriculture is what Bibeau said...


    Maybe farm groups are not listening to what is said or are too stupid to respond to that insult?

    Look at how quick programs were put in place for the pandemic issues...federally they have spent 400 billion to help out joe six pack....

    Farmers cant get a matching response to what the American government has done for their farmers in the form of direct payment in the last 5 years....

    So is anyone really paying attention when our prices are set from a distorted market in the states????

    The other problem is that farmers can't just go an off farm job in the current situation to help offset losses as there are no jobs...

    If you are farmer that left 50 percent of his crop out in 2019...which agristabilty counts as inventory...there is no help for 2020 because you have moved your income to another year...

    Tell your kids that if BSE hits or you leave a crop out ....there won't be help....ask them if they want to risk 25 years of working for that eventual outcome.....

    It won't bring young people to that industry when they can go work and have the government more than willing to pay them to sit on their ass...
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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 09:17 14 I don't know of many farmers that receive government help through an ad hoc payment that sit on their ass not trying to make a go of it...

    There are a few ....but not many... Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 09:35 15 I went to the AGM's last year...the directors have their own agenda and only try to talk you into that narrative. ... Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 10:54 16
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    Tool Lewis was talking about a better transportation system.....I thought they were doing this since the events of 2013....same shit going on today...40 vessels out at the west coast ...but it doesnt matter because they are doing the best they can until the winter weather hits...

    No one correlates the fact with good weather they are still not keeping up to the production and export demands ...

    Walk into an elevator to deliver and they say they are working on October and November contracts....JFC....its been years to get this shit figured out how to move a 75 mmt crop....


    And then to have guys sit there in front of the ag committee and say the same phucking things they did 8 years ago about transportation....and lobby for them????????
    Cargil was bring in dec contracts in early nov to fill the nov train. Makes me think they will be short for dec. they are pricing out for feb. they are tryn to make it look like there is only so much they will buy at a certain price. Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 11:24 17
    Quote Originally Posted by TASFarms View Post
    Cargil was bring in dec contracts in early nov to fill the nov train. Makes me think they will be short for dec. they are pricing out for feb. they are tryn to make it look like there is only so much they will buy at a certain price.
    And yet we are hearing complaints from farmer orgs that the Railways are way behind on shipments. Something doesn't add up. AG transportation Coalition says CN is behind at least. Reply With Quote
    Nov 30, 2020 | 11:36 18 To date there should be zero excuses for being behind ...from railways or grain cos other than their own lack of planning...or lack of infrastructure upgrades..

    If 2013 happens again are farmers going to pick up the bill again? Reply With Quote
    Nov 30, 2020 | 11:46 19
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    To date there should be zero excuses for being behind ...from railways or grain cos other than their own lack of planning...or lack of infrastructure upgrades..

    If 2013 happens again are farmers going to pick up the bill again?
    That is why I don't understand is the RR really behind or is the whole system of reporting screwed up to make the other guy look bad? Reply With Quote
    Nov 30, 2020 | 11:49 20
    Quote Originally Posted by wmoebis View Post
    That is why I don't understand is the RR really behind or is the whole system of reporting screwed up to make the other guy look bad?
    Don't matter....we all know who eventually gets the bill? Reply With Quote
    Nov 30, 2020 | 12:07 21
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    Don't matter....we all know who eventually gets the bill?
    Exactly but the whole reporting thing is nuts farmers have so many orgs and boards all reporting the same sets of numbers all getting paid many of them are the same guys on every or many orgs and boards. Reply With Quote
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  • Nov 30, 2020 | 12:13 22
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    The federal government just made a SM announcement to an industry that has a formula that allows for indexing of costs to milk production....its the backbone of agriculture is what Bibeau said...


    Maybe farm groups are not listening to what is said or are too stupid to respond to that insult?

    Look at how quick programs were put in place for the pandemic issues...federally they have spent 400 billion to help out joe six pack....

    Farmers cant get a matching response to what the American government has done for their farmers in the form of direct payment in the last 5 years....

    So is anyone really paying attention when our prices are set from a distorted market in the states????

    The other problem is that farmers can't just go an off farm job in the current situation to help offset losses as there are no jobs...

    If you are farmer that left 50 percent of his crop out in 2019...which agristabilty counts as inventory...there is no help for 2020 because you have moved your income to another year...

    Tell your kids that if BSE hits or you leave a crop out ....there won't be help....ask them if they want to risk 25 years of working for that eventual outcome.....

    It won't bring young people to that industry when they can go work and have the government more than willing to pay them to sit on their ass...


    Ok I get it, but the chance of grain farmer's get a direct payment are between slim and none. I know some ND farmers who got pretty nice checks for China soybean issues, it will never happen here for canola.
    I think there is a chance that the feds will look to get out of crop insurance and tell us to buy it from private guys like we have insurance for our buildings and other assets. What would the premium look like then?
    Just like in the US the left has left the rural areas, they don't need it to be in power. With Canada one of the last countries with supply management I don't expect supply management to be around in a few years but those guys for sure will get payments to "help" them. Is it fair for others in ag ? I think not but being the majority are in Ont and Que its gonna happen. Reply With Quote
    Nov 30, 2020 | 12:21 23 The adhoc payments will happen when dealerships can no longer afford to sell 30 new combines to one guy every year....


    Then its just a matter of time before things get straightened out...I might be long retired but the grow more make less program can't go on forever... Reply With Quote
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