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Nov 26, 2020 | 08:00 1 Good article in the financial post: financialpost.com/opinion/ bjorn-lomberg-the-electric-car-won’t-get-us-very-far. What stuck in my head was that a hybrid Toyota Prius reduces C02 emissions as much as any electric car without the downside of shorter range and need of charging stations! Reply With Quote
Nov 26, 2020 | 08:37 2 https://financialpost.com/opinion/bj...et-us-very-far

It's a really good article. Probably won't see any of the regular pundits comment in this thread, as there isn't much they can defend. Reply With Quote
Nov 26, 2020 | 08:42 3 Electric cars are just incremental steps to reducing carbon emissions. They are not a magic bullet.

Good hybrid technology and high fuel effciency vehicles are just another step in the right direction. But the market demand for trucks and large SUVs work against fuel efficiency gains. Reply With Quote
Nov 26, 2020 | 08:46 4
Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
Electric cars are just incremental steps to reducing carbon emissions. They are not a magic bullet.

Good hybrid technology and high fuel effciency vehicles are just another step in the right direction. But the market demand for trucks and large SUVs work against fuel efficiency gains.
Then maybe the rocket scientists that allowed the railways to create the trucking industry should be hauled in and questioned...

If this country instead of allowing consolidation of grain elevators and railway network would have looked at a modernization based on changing of farming practices instead of dollars to shareholders....they would all be richer today and have a better environment...

The people that made decisions 40 years ago are the people that should be held account for the mess today...


Look at what this pandemic has taught us?????maybe???? buy local....well there is no such thing as local

Milk flour groceries all come from somewhere else now and are trucked to where it is supposedly local...after being handled at many other places before getting to the local if there is a grocery store left...

And by the time it gets "local" its just as cheap to jump in the car and buy at the consolidated store in the larger centres...

Government policy has been for decades to consolidate to larger everything....those that can't see the issue with it ...are blind...
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  • Nov 26, 2020 | 09:05 5 Good article Hamloc, always enlightening to read what Bjorn has to say. An environmentalist who can do math is a refreshing and extremely unique entity.
    But, In the ongoing effort to MAGA, I won't get into this debate.

    I will however suggest that Chuck should consider getting back into politics. What a brilliant response, a whole mouthful, with all the key words and talking points, without saying anything, and without even remotely addressing the concerns in the article or by the other posters. He could probably write speaches for Trudeau himself. Almost like he just has a fixed set of responses ready to cut and paste, and hope they are somehow relevant to the article which he can't be bothered to read, since it may interfere with his permanent state of cognitive dissonance.

    Sorry for getting off topic, now back to Making Agriville Great Again. Reply With Quote
    Nov 26, 2020 | 10:08 6 "Third, climate change doesn’t care about where CO₂ comes from. Personal cars are only about seven per cent of global emissions, and electric cars will only help a little. Instead, we should focus on the big emitters of heating and electricity production. If research and development could make green energy cheaper than fossil fuels in these uses, that would be a game-changer. ( already are cheaperin many countries)

    "Right now, electric car subsidies are something wealthy countries can afford to give to rich elites to show virtue. But if we want to fix climate, we need to focus on the big emitters and drive innovation to create better low-CO₂ energy from fusion, fission, geothermal, wind, solar and many other possible ways forward. Innovations that will make just one of them cheaper than fossil fuels mean not just well-meaning rich people changing a bit, but everybody, including China, India and nations in Africa and Latin America, switching large parts of their energy consumption toward zero emissions."

    So if renewables don't work how come Bjorn lists wind and solar in the list of ways to clean up electricity production? So you believe Lomborgs opinion that electric cars wont help, but don't agree with renewables as part of the solution?

    Glad to see you guys supporting Lomborg, as he agrees that C02 needs to be reduced to slow down climate change!
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    Nov 26, 2020 | 10:14 7 If we had half the rail lines that were tore out still in use with appropriate facilities on them you could reduce the large trucks by 75 percent.... Reply With Quote

  • Nov 26, 2020 | 10:23 8 Chuck actually read the article, and posted a relevant rebuttal. With no personal attacks against the author or other posters...

    MAGA at work. Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Nov 26, 2020 | 10:24 9 We already know nuclear is green.
    Why aren't we using it?
    Whats the gameplan for the interim between fossil fuel and Star Trek energy?
    We cant make fossil fuel cleaner?
    All I hear in media is gloating and chest pounding re those evil big emitters. Nothing about how they're going to completely change the world effectively.
    What happened to consumers paying R&D instead of taxpayers? Reply With Quote
    Nov 26, 2020 | 10:25 10 Financial Post- Meanwhile Adhu Dhabi Oil Council approves $122 Billion expansion to take advantage of opportunity in front of their eyes when all oil exploration and development grinds to a halt in N. America. Go Opec

    Make Opec Great Again Reply With Quote

  • Nov 26, 2020 | 10:35 11 Glad to see you guys supporting Lomborg, as he agrees that C02 needs to be reduced to slow down climate change!

    So A5 you are on side with Lomborg that human caused climate change is real and that cutting C02 emissions is the right thing to do? If Lomborg says its so, it must be true! Reply With Quote
    Nov 26, 2020 | 10:59 12
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
    What happened to consumers paying R&D instead of taxpayers?
    If you remember back to the days of hundred plus dollars oil, That was consumers paying the R and D costs on the Shale revolution. We have been reaping the rewards of that investment ever since , And will be for a long time to come.
    It still happens, it still works, And the result is a spectacular success as opposed to this other Taxpayer sponsored boondoggle
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    Dec 3, 2020 | 09:39 13 Canada, China, Australia and US expected to double fossil fuel production in the next 10 years. We won’t have to run out of charge and freeze in the dark👍 Reply With Quote