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Oct 23, 2020 | 07:27 1 Finally an EV truck is coming to market, now just have to find some loose change in the couch to cover the $110K starting price.

What a farce these electric vehicles are. All of them are double the price of a regular vehicle, unless you want to stuff yourself in a Nissan leaf.

Absolute clusterfck.

Get me a peer reviewed article chuck.

GMC reveals the Hummer EV: 1,000 HP, 350-mile range and 0-60 in ‘around 3 seconds’
This isn't a cybertruck, it's a supertruck


The electric Hummer starts at $80,000. That gets buyers the Hummer EV2, a two-motor version that lacks key advertised features. For $100,000 buyers can get the Hummer EV3x, which includes three motors and torque-vectoring steering. For $90,000, and a release date of Spring 2023, buyers can get the EV2x, which includes air ride and four-wheel steering. Reply With Quote
Oct 23, 2020 | 07:34 2 Jazz, are you still using your $1500 voice only cellphone the size of a small appliance?

Are you still driving a Ford model A? LOL Reply With Quote
biglentil's Avatar Oct 23, 2020 | 07:42 3
Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
Finally an EV truck is coming to market, now just have to find some loose change in the couch to cover the $110K starting price.

What a farce these electric vehicles are. All of them are double the price of a regular vehicle, unless you want to stuff yourself in a Nissan leaf.

Absolute clusterfck.

Get me a peer reviewed article chuck.

GMC reveals the Hummer EV: 1,000 HP, 350-mile range and 0-60 in ‘around 3 seconds’
This isn't a cybertruck, it's a supertruck


The electric Hummer starts at $80,000. That gets buyers the Hummer EV2, a two-motor version that lacks key advertised features. For $100,000 buyers can get the Hummer EV3x, which includes three motors and torque-vectoring steering. For $90,000, and a release date of Spring 2023, buyers can get the EV2x, which includes air ride and four-wheel steering.
Have you seen the price on new vehicles lately? A new diesel 3/4 ton is $100k. Reply With Quote
Oct 23, 2020 | 07:45 4
Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
Jazz, are you still using your $1500 voice only cellphone the size of a small appliance?

Are you still driving a Ford model A? LOL
Chuck2, I thought electric vehicles were simpler with less moving parts. According to a CBC article I just read starting price is $105000 CAD. If they are so simple why so damn expensive? Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 23, 2020 | 07:50 5
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
    Chuck2, I thought electric vehicles were simpler with less moving parts. According to a CBC article I just read starting price is $105000 CAD. If they are so simple why so damn expensive?
    Well I guess moving millions of tons of overburden to mine out cobalt and rare earth elements in poor countries has to be paid by someone. But dont think about that. Oil sands bad.

    Not to mention the used EV market is going to be worthless and fixing these things will be out of the question, so more planned obsolesce, just like cell phones and computer. Off to the land fill.

    We have 40+ yr old combustion engines laying around the farm that dad can jump to life in an hour.
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  • biglentil's Avatar Oct 23, 2020 | 07:59 6
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Well I guess moving millions of tons of overburden to mine out cobalt and rare earth elements in poor countries has to be paid by someone. But dont think about that. Oil sands bad.

    Not to mention the used EV market is going to be worthless and fixing these things will be out of the question, so more planned obsolesce, just like cell phones and computer. Off to the land fill.

    We have 40+ yr old combustion engines laying around the farm that dad can jump to life in an hour.
    I agree but it won't be the greenies buying them it will be the guy that wants a truck that will blow the doors right off his friends gasser. 0-60 in 3 secs sounds like fun imo. That is as quick as the 2021 Corvette.
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  • Partners's Avatar Oct 23, 2020 | 08:02 7 Resale less than zero because owner will have to pay to dispose of it.
    Same as panels and windmills. Reply With Quote
    Klause's Avatar Oct 23, 2020 | 08:05 8 It's a luxury truck.

    It's a convertible.


    It's priced lower than a duramax Denali.


    Electric motors, especially that kind, run pretty much forever.


    There's nothing simple about this vehicle... It's a top of the line luxury truck...



    You guys are so worried trying to discredit new technology, you'll keep doing it right up to the day where there's no gas or diesel pickups left to buy... And probably still bitch about it. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 23, 2020 | 08:06 9
    Quote Originally Posted by Partners View Post
    Resale less than zero because owner will have to pay to dispose of it.
    Same as panels and windmills.
    Yes , that’s the dark side avid supporters refuse to acknowledge. When one brings that up discussions go sideways quickly lol Reply With Quote
    Klause's Avatar Oct 23, 2020 | 08:10 10
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Yes , that’s the dark side avid supporters refuse to acknowledge. When one brings that up discussions go sideways quickly lol
    Yep. BeCause used Tesla's are worthless.

    https://www.autotrader.ca/cars/tesla...RoCE5oQAvD_BwE Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 23, 2020 | 08:15 11
    Quote Originally Posted by Klause View Post
    It's a luxury truck.

    It's a convertible.


    It's priced lower than a duramax Denali.


    Electric motors, especially that kind, run pretty much forever.


    There's nothing simple about this vehicle... It's a top of the line luxury truck...



    You guys are so worried trying to discredit new technology, you'll keep doing it right up to the day where there's no gas or diesel pickups left to buy... And probably still bitch about it.
    Klause I am not against new technology at all. Is it not true that proponents of electrical vehicles highlight that there are less moving parts?

    As for your assertion that they run forever, I have had many electric motors that required bearings so I don’t think they are immune to break down. As for new technology the first Crude electric car was developed in 1832.
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    Oct 23, 2020 | 08:19 12
    Quote Originally Posted by Klause View Post
    Yep. BeCause used Tesla's are worthless.
    Well all that says there isnt much intelligence in the virtue signal crowd.

    You are an avowed techno advocate klause, you like tech just for techs sake, we get that. Thats fine. Each to their own.

    But do a life cycle cost analysis including the grid work, extra generation and the extraction of these resources to power these things. Work in the subsidies and carbon penalties properly.

    Dont pretend for a moment these things are superior in anyway. More bells and whistles isnt necessarily advancement, its just more that can go wrong as any farmer can attest to. Reply With Quote
    Klause's Avatar Oct 23, 2020 | 08:27 13
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Well all that says there isnt much intelligence in the virtue signal crowd.

    You are an avowed techno advocate klause, you like tech just for techs sake, we get that. Thats fine. Each to their own.

    But do a life cycle cost analysis including the grid work, extra generation and the extraction of these resources to power these things. Work in the subsidies and carbon penalties properly.

    Dont pretend for a moment these things superior in anyway. More bells and whistles isnt necessarily advancement, its just more that can go wrong as any farmer can attest to.
    No... I don't advocate for tech because of tech.

    There's a lot of stupid tech out there


    Do you own a cordless impact and a smartphone?

    In 2005 you would have said both were stupid, wouldn't work, and were a fad.

    Today?



    Electricity moves a freight train. It moves the fastest passenger trains in the world.

    Why can't it move a car? Because some crusty hillbilly from Saskatchewan that's set in his way says so?


    80% of the electricity in this country is generated from dams and nuclear.


    We will or have added 5,500 mwh of power generation this decade from hydroelectricity in this country.


    Yes the grid needs some upgrading to support electric vehicles. It's not as much as you think, though. Reply With Quote
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  • biglentil's Avatar Oct 23, 2020 | 08:30 14
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Well all that says there isnt much intelligence in the virtue signal crowd.

    You are an avowed techno advocate klause, you like tech just for techs sake, we get that. Thats fine. Each to their own.

    But do a life cycle cost analysis including the grid work, extra generation and the extraction of these resources to power these things. Work in the subsidies and carbon penalties properly.

    Dont pretend for a moment these things are superior in anyway. More bells and whistles isnt necessarily advancement, its just more that can go wrong as any farmer can attest to.
    The least reliable things I own are my 2 stroke weedeater and 2 stroke chainsaw. Need to be Fonzy to get those stinky and noisy things running. Leave fuel in them for too long then its time to rebuild the carb and fuel lines. Pop a battery in an electric any monkey could run em.
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    Oct 23, 2020 | 08:31 15
    Quote Originally Posted by Klause View Post
    Yep. BeCause used Tesla's are worthless.

    https://www.autotrader.ca/cars/tesla...RoCE5oQAvD_BwE
    Was referring to windmills and solar panels after they are done . Hopefully life expectancies get better than advertised . Millions of cell phones end up ditched after just 2 years .... landfills .
    The used Tesla’s for sure are going to hold their value for now . They are still a novelty in this green social environment.

    EV’s , time will tell how long they last here. I agree , as I said before , they will have a fit, and may be practical someday. I am a skeptic about there longevity here in this climate until proven otherwise is all . I say that because the windmills and solar panels up till now are lasting about 1/2 lifespan as advertised.... hopefully in the future that changes . Just saying it’s not as green and perfect as what’s being touted up till this point in time .
    And there is no doubt they will improve, like you have pointed out , electric tools are phenomenal now compared to 10 years ago . EVs are going to be there as well .
    One thing though is that current gas and diesel vehicles are near worthless after 10 years too.
    And that may accelerate as EV’s prove themselves in this part of the world .... year round , through 5 months of winter . Reply With Quote
    Klause's Avatar Oct 23, 2020 | 08:31 16
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
    Klause I am not against new technology at all. Is it not true that proponents of electrical vehicles highlight that there are less moving parts?

    As for your assertion that they run forever, I have had many electric motors that required bearings so I don’t think they are immune to break down. As for new technology the first Crude electric car was developed in 1832.
    Axial flux motors aren't conventional electric...

    Sure you might change a wheel bearing.

    How long does a tranny last? Or a reciprocating engine?


    Put a little gas motor on your aereation fan and run on that vs. the 5hp electric motor.


    Calculate your fuel consumption. Plus oil used and oil changes and see how long/how many years you get. Bet it's less than 5. Aeration fans last how long? 20 years? More? less? I don't have any that old so don't know.

    The electric motors that run the water pumps at my in-law's irrigation system have been in use since the 80s. Reply With Quote
    Partners's Avatar Oct 23, 2020 | 08:32 17 What will happen to the rest of the oil and gas workers?
    They will find jobs where? Reply With Quote
    Oct 23, 2020 | 08:36 18
    Quote Originally Posted by Klause View Post
    Axial flux motors aren't conventional electric...

    Sure you might change a wheel bearing.

    How long does a tranny last? Or a reciprocating engine?


    Put a little gas motor on your aereation fan and run on that vs. the 5hp electric motor.


    Calculate your fuel consumption. Plus oil used and oil changes and see how long/how many years you get. Bet it's less than 5. Aeration fans last how long? 20 years? More? less? I don't have any that old so don't know.

    The electric motors that run the water pumps at my in-law's irrigation system have been in use since the 80s.
    I will admit I switched over to electric motors in my pump systems in my yard where I could . Best decision ever, no more Fighting with gas pumps . My sprayer fill station and liquid fert set up . Flip a switch and good to go every time .
    If I could replace all gas pumps I would .
    Also power tools, electric impacts are awesome now and all related tools actually. Even the Milwaukee grass trimmers .... I finally gas up on my gas Huskavarna ... drove me nuts .
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    biglentil's Avatar Oct 23, 2020 | 08:41 19
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    I will admit I switched over to electric motors in my pump systems in my yard where I could . Best decision ever, no more Fighting with gas pumps . My sprayer fill station and liquid fert set up . Flip a switch and good to go every time .
    Agree sure is nice not listening to a screaming gasser when filling liquid. Reply With Quote
    Oct 23, 2020 | 08:45 20 One thing that has failed miserably is vehicle , tractor , RV batteries. They are worse now than 30 years ago ... by a long shot Reply With Quote

  • Oct 23, 2020 | 08:46 21 [QUOTE=

    Why can't it move a car? Because some crusty hillbilly from Saskatchewan that's set in his way says so?
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  • Oct 23, 2020 | 08:54 22
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    I will admit I switched over to electric motors in my pump systems in my yard where I could . Best decision ever, no more Fighting with gas pumps . My sprayer fill station and liquid fert set up . Flip a switch and good to go every time .
    If I could replace all gas pumps I would .
    Also power tools, electric impacts are awesome now and all related tools actually. Even the Milwaukee grass trimmers .... I finally gas up on my gas Huskavarna ... drove me nuts .
    Hope the power doesn't go out when you need it, or have the yard on a back up genset. We have one but not properly hooked up yet. Bought in Chilliwak. Yup it's hilly in the Ghetto but not this hilly. It was an auction site photo.Name:  11633353_3.jpg
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    Too bad it needs diesel to run. Maybe I can put a wind turbine on it with gearing to run the generator at 1850 rpm. Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 23, 2020 | 10:55 23 Kept a few 3 in gas pumps as back up
    But ya I would like to get a gem set like that for back up for sure . Reply With Quote
    Oct 23, 2020 | 16:18 24 Pontificating on electric doesnt change the fact nobody has an argument why it is better.

    So you have a bias for electric, fine, it moves trains in japan and france. So does diesel. So the iphone 12 apparently still makes calls like the flip phones do. So my F150 has a digital control panel with knobs below in case the screen quits. What is the point of it?

    Technology needs to be an upgrade in usefulness and utility.

    What is the upgrade in utility from a gas driven car to electric? Answer; there is none and there are are a hell of a lot of issues with reliability and externalities that are conveniently swept under the rug.

    Thats why it has to be anchored with a vague climate change pseudoscience.

    Farmers are crying on one side about overpaying for hybrid technology and the right to fix their equipment but then full into letting the big companies keep pushing tech with dubious benefits into everything. Makes no sense. Companies can make a barebones vehicle for $20k new but that doesnt turn a profit anymore so just stuff it with all the tech you can think of to run up that price.
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    Oct 23, 2020 | 17:41 25
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Pontificating on electric doesnt change the fact nobody has an argument why it is better.

    So you have a bias for electric, fine, it moves trains in japan and france. So does diesel. So the iphone 12 apparently still makes calls like the flip phones do. So my F150 has a digital control panel with knobs below in case the screen quits. What is the point of it?

    Technology needs to be an upgrade in usefulness and utility.

    What is the upgrade in utility from a gas driven car to electric? Answer; there is none and there are are a hell of a lot of issues with reliability and externalities that are conveniently swept under the rug.

    Thats why it has to be anchored with a vague climate change pseudoscience.

    Farmers are crying on one side about overpaying for hybrid technology and the right to fix their equipment but then full into letting the big companies keep pushing tech with dubious benefits into everything. Makes no sense. Companies can make a barebones vehicle for $20k new but that doesnt turn a profit anymore so just stuff it with all the tech you can think of to run up that price.

    Did your mother have any children that lived?


    Seriously. I haven't read anything this out there in a long time.

    You must be 75 years old. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 23, 2020 | 18:41 26
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Hope the power doesn't go out when you need it, or have the yard on a back up genset. We have one but not properly hooked up yet. Bought in Chilliwak. Yup it's hilly in the Ghetto but not this hilly. It was an auction site photo.Name:  11633353_3.jpg
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    Too bad it needs diesel to run. Maybe I can put a wind turbine on it with gearing to run the generator at 1850 rpm.
    We were lookin at screw air compressors in that sale but didnt get one Reply With Quote
    Oct 23, 2020 | 20:15 27
    Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
    We were lookin at screw air compressors in that sale but didnt get one
    Got lucky on this one. Was able to talk to a consignor who had a guarantee on a package consignment of equipment.
    They had nothing to lose by telling me the truth.
    Reasonable hours.
    Size is a bit overkill but it would run the whole Ghetto yard..... and some.
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    Oct 23, 2020 | 21:04 28 EVs are a plot by the left. Everyone gets dependent on the grid for transportation and when the government wants to control your movements they shut down the grid.

    With good old diesel I can squeeze some canola seed and drive to FREEDOM! Reply With Quote
    Klause's Avatar Oct 23, 2020 | 22:05 29
    Quote Originally Posted by Braveheart View Post
    EVs are a plot by the left. Everyone gets dependent on the grid for transportation and when the government wants to control your movements they shut down the grid.

    With good old diesel I can squeeze some canola seed and drive to FREEDOM!


    Umm. Or you could setup solar panels and plug the thing in.


    The cost for the solar array is probably ballpark to the expeller and refining cost of equipment and you need to grow the canola. The sun is free Reply With Quote
    Oct 23, 2020 | 22:08 30
    Quote Originally Posted by Braveheart View Post
    EVs are a plot by the left. Everyone gets dependent on the grid for transportation and when the government wants to control your movements they shut down the grid.

    With good old diesel I can squeeze some canola seed and drive to FREEDOM!

    Another half baked absolutely stupid response.

    Pray tell... How do you crush canola without electricity?

    Last I checked you used electric motors to drive the expellers, heaters, and pumps required to turn the raw product into useable fuel.


    I need to stop coming here. My brain cells die every time I read this bullshit. Reply With Quote