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Oct 22, 2020 | 11:34 1 UCP hates Ag. 250 incredible staff, gone. Medicine hat and Lethbridge research centers ruined.

A proud day for conservative "leadership".

Ross says it best....

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Oct 22, 2020 | 14:36 2 Hopefully those working on the 'climate change file' got the axe. My guess is that most of these folks won't be missed. I have talked to Ross MacKenzie a couple of times. Non a big fan of micro nutrients. On a more serious note, prudent budgeting will make a reappearance in canuckistan at some point. Where would you suggest we start. Can't raise taxes. My preference would be wage and benefit roll backs rather than layoffs to start but that is not what most others would support. Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 22, 2020 | 14:52 3 Not sure how they would have benefited my hay and grain operation. I do you use Alberta's Crop Protection handbook...hope they don't get rid of that. I tried to find a district agriculturist last year with a question and couldn't find one. A few years ago I called the local office and found them to be of little help. I think I found the answer online. So if I have an ag question now where do I go for help? Reply With Quote
    Oct 22, 2020 | 15:02 4 At least the Alberta government is facing up to the possibility of bankruptcy. The same cannot be said of almost every other level of government in Canada. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 22, 2020 | 16:00 5 Funny, not a word is said when farmers are having to pay the bills for useless institutions stealing money for funding. Now government workers are suffering, and the world is going to end? Ag as a whole is going to crash and burn?

    If you don’t know what you are doing by now, you shouldn’t be farming.

    On a side note, did the researchers not see this coming with the seed rights and development being handed to private industry? Maybe they should have made a little more noise about that. But it was just the farmer having to pay more right? Didn’t affect them, so why waste their breath...

    Sorry if I don’t show any sympathy. Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 22, 2020 | 17:30 6 I hate to see anyone lose their jobs but its time for govt employees to give up their golden pensions and benefits programs, pay and benefits should be the same as non govt employees receive. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 22, 2020 | 17:42 7 Sometimes when one door closes another opens.

    Depends on the individual and what they make of it.

    Do you have any comments Errol ? Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 22, 2020 | 17:53 8 Flea quote; "If you don’t know what you are doing by now, you shouldn’t be farming."

    Huh?

    So you know everything there is to know about farming? Never have grown a new crop or taken on a new enterprise where you needed some extension advice or expertise? You can diagnose every disease, pest and fertility issue and know exactly how to treat it? Even the rarely seen ones?

    And what about new and beginning farmers?

    Why send our kids to ag college when Dad and Mom already know everything there is to know!

    And we don't need any more research? That's all settled?

    Some people say the darndest things! Reply With Quote
    Oct 22, 2020 | 18:15 9
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Flea quote; "If you don’t know what you are doing by now, you shouldn’t be farming."

    Huh?

    So you know everything there is to know about farming? Never have grown a new crop or taken on a new enterprise where you needed some extension advice or expertise? You can diagnose every disease, pest and fertility issue and know exactly how to treat it? Even the rarely seen ones?

    And what about new and beginning farmers?

    Why send our kids to ag college when Dad and Mom already know everything there is to know!

    And we don't need any more research? That's all settled?

    Some people say the darndest things!
    Common sense goes a long way chuck. Something that doesn’t come through in a lot of your posts. So I can see why this bugs you so much. I guess you won't be able to phone every day anymore, and ask what you are supposed to be doing today.

    I in no way said that I know everything. Can you direct me to where I said that please?

    In the rare instance that I have phoned the ag extension, they ended up reading word for word out of the blue book (chemical bible) or a googled passage. Thanks tips, couldn’t have done it without you!*. Overpaid regurgitators.

    I can google and research my own problems thanks.

    Don’t get me started on ag college. Another joke.

    Best advice you can get is phone a buddy and hash it out. Usually can figure things out. Sorry chuck, not a government tit sucking useless twit here. The less government involvement in anything, the better.

    A young farmer typically has family already in the business. They can be a sounding board for about 95% of the problems they will encounter. The other 5%, well there is that common sense and trial and error thing again. Why do we need millions of dollars spent on ag extension, plus golden pensions as stated above, to read info that is already available to everybody?

    Did I say that we don’t need research? Again, can you point out where I said that? You sure know how to conjure up bullshit don’t you? They fired 200 people, and there are still more in the department. Do you think all those people were needed? There will still be research done by those that are left.
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  • Oct 22, 2020 | 18:54 10
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Flea quote; "If you don’t know what you are doing by now, you shouldn’t be farming."

    Huh?

    So you know everything there is to know about farming? Never have grown a new crop or taken on a new enterprise where you needed some extension advice or expertise? You can diagnose every disease, pest and fertility issue and know exactly how to treat it? Even the rarely seen ones?

    And what about new and beginning farmers?

    Why send our kids to ag college when Dad and Mom already know everything there is to know!

    And we don't need any more research? That's all settled?

    Some people say the darndest things!
    for agrology questions , i ask furrow
    for marketing, its 101
    all things accounting is richard
    hard to find parts , klause
    etc. , etc.
    i have a lot to learn
    isn't agriville great , lots of intelligent people sharing their knowledge at the touch of a key Reply With Quote

  • Oct 22, 2020 | 19:06 11 Never hurts to trim a bit of fat or clear some dead wood. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 22, 2020 | 20:44 12 The employer (the Province) is broke and this is what happens, govt employees should not be guaranteed lifetime employment. How is your ag policy coming along Tweeter. Reply With Quote
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  • blackpowder's Avatar Oct 22, 2020 | 21:41 13 Didn't hurt when Ralph did it. Reply With Quote
    Oct 22, 2020 | 22:06 14
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Flea quote; "If you don’t know what you are doing by now, you shouldn’t be farming."

    Huh?

    So you know everything there is to know about farming? Never have grown a new crop or taken on a new enterprise where you needed some extension advice or expertise? You can diagnose every disease, pest and fertility issue and know exactly how to treat it? Even the rarely seen ones?

    And what about new and beginning farmers?

    Why send our kids to ag college when Dad and Mom already know everything there is to know!

    And we don't need any more research? That's all settled?

    Some people say the darndest things!
    ..... so what your saying is ....
    Yup that’s a typical response from you lol
    And yup you do say the darnedest things ... check your own post back a few .. ya the sexual deranged one . Reply With Quote
    Oct 22, 2020 | 22:20 15
    Quote Originally Posted by shtferbrains View Post
    Sometimes when one door closes another opens.

    Depends on the individual and what they make of it.

    Do you have any comments Errol ?
    Definately, I was saddened to see ‘Call of the Land’ cancelled. Enjoyed working with Jack Howell and Caitlynn Reesor over the years. They are real pros.

    But I am a strong believer that true economics rules and what’s important again floats-to-the-top. Ag information is available from many sources. Private business is covering this well. Business will always step in to fill the void. And gov’t can act as a clear competitor to business trying to make a go of it.

    When you look at vacanted downtown Calgary office towers and thousands of permanent job losses, why should taxpayers remain responsible to maintain gov’t status-quo. Fresh buds will start to grow as the economy repairs from private business, but you have to plug the holes on the ship first.

    Realize, there are many talented agrologists now on the sidelines, but true economics always rules. It may take a step backwards to allow for a stronger step forward in the yrs ahead. No different for government or business.

    We are entering a new era of significant change and realinement. And this is just the beginning (IMO). Financial reality is forcing tough love, but had to be done . . . . Reply With Quote

  • Oct 22, 2020 | 23:15 16
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Never hurts to trim a bit of fat or clear some dead wood.
    Time to trim some extreme fat in university budgets next as Liberal arts degrees don’t deserve to be subsidized based on the value they add to the economy. I’m sure Alberta could easily trim a $billion out of the budget easily without much of an effort.

    We need to focus on trades and degrees like engineering, medicine, agriculture, etc. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 23, 2020 | 07:01 17 Lets not forget the impact of technology, ease of data and information gathering has on these government services. We dont need govt ag reps in every small town , plus there arent many farmers left to service. Too bad all other govt departments didnt embrace technology and move to virtual services, but as earlier noted, lots of deadwood in government protecting jobs and inefficiencies. Reply With Quote
    Oct 23, 2020 | 07:55 18 Farmers are getting alot of their agronomic advise from agronomist who have a vested interest in selling more products. And then you guys complain about how high the cost of inputs are and you can't make any money? LOL

    Governments are cutting services for farmers and handing it over to the private sector for a fee.

    And numerous posters have called for more government support and subsidies for farmers? Reply With Quote
    Oct 23, 2020 | 08:02 19
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Never hurts to trim a bit of fat or clear some dead wood.
    All of these people do good and valuable work. That is my opinion. However , when their paycheck enables them to get a good pension at 25 years , when the rest of us have to put in 35-40-50 years I have a problem with that.

    Strictly my opinion , and I don't like seeing research cut, regardless of the province. Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 23, 2020 | 08:12 20
    Quote Originally Posted by GALAXIE500 View Post
    All of these people do good and valuable work. That is my opinion. However , when their paycheck enables them to get a good pension at 25 years , when the rest of us have to put in 35-40-50 years I have a problem with that.

    Strictly my opinion , and I don't like seeing research cut, regardless of the province.
    I worked for Gov't at one time. I paid into Gov't employee pension. I would like to see a take home pay stub comparison from a gov't employee making the exact same wage as a private employee. And then again when they turn 65 on both CPP and private/gov't pensions. Just for interest sake. Reply With Quote
    Blaithin's Avatar Oct 23, 2020 | 08:22 21 The government sites (and universities) are some of the only places doing research and trials that AREN'T run by the companies pushing the products being studied. Even if somebody feels research isn’t highly necessary, being left with mainly research and trials run by the companies on their own products is hardly something I like the looks of.

    Also you look at locations like Lethbridge and Breton plots and trials they've been running for decades. Tweeking plants and breedings.... that’s a lot of work wiped out with the strike of a pen when places like those are told they’re done or they have to move. It will take a long time to build back up to where they’re at.

    At least there are private ranches and farms that assisted in many of these trials that hopefully won’t just go out and plough in or start using controls just because the division they’ve been working with is gone. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 23, 2020 | 08:31 22 There's alot of Industry people not earning their wages, those are the ones I'm talking about.
    It's the ones that add no value that can and should be trimmed. Just because people collect a paycheck doesn't mean they've "earned" it. Reply With Quote
    ajl
    Oct 23, 2020 | 08:45 23
    Quote Originally Posted by wmoebis View Post
    I worked for Gov't at one time. I paid into Gov't employee pension. I would like to see a take home pay stub comparison from a gov't employee making the exact same wage as a private employee. And then again when they turn 65 on both CPP and private/gov't pensions. Just for interest sake.
    Today a private sector worker at the same pay grade works longer, has more responsibility and takes on more risk than their public sector counterpart. 30 to 50 years ago the spread was not that much and the public sector provided some useful services. Today they are pretty much all grifters working on non sense projects like climate change and renewable energy. What has an AB ag department worker done for me lately? Reply With Quote
    Oct 23, 2020 | 08:55 24 Didn't Ritz down size and destroy work and results a bunch of fed research offices and down load that work onto provincial research branches? Are some of these those branches. Reply With Quote
    Oct 23, 2020 | 09:15 25
    Quote Originally Posted by GALAXIE500 View Post
    All of these people do good and valuable work. That is my opinion. However , when their paycheck enables them to get a good pension at 25 years , when the rest of us have to put in 35-40-50 years I have a problem with that.

    Strictly my opinion , and I don't like seeing research cut, regardless of the province.
    I met a couple of my former teachers( a married couple) last summer. They were proud of the fact that they have both now been retired for longer than they worked.

    Teachers like to complain about how much a rig worker makes compared to a teacher with 4 years of education. But in almost every case that I know, the rig worker (for example) ends up working hard physical labor until he is so old that he is physically unable to, then retires in poverty. Over a life time, I would take the teachers ( or other civil servant) wage and benefit package every time. Reply With Quote
    Oct 23, 2020 | 09:22 26 I actually used and appreciated the services of the specialists at AB Ag.
    I don't have an older generation to ask questions of.
    I'm learning grain farming by trial and error in an area where most of my neighbors are small cow calf operations, so not able to watch or learn from them.
    I'm willing to try things that "don't work here" by conventional wisdom.
    I rarely take or ask for advice from anyone with a vested interest in selling me something.
    I'm usually looking for advice of how to avoid spending on something, not vice versa.
    These folks filled the void in many cases.

    I was quite disappointed when I called this summer and learned they had all been let go. I tracked one of them down, and he is more than happy to keep helping.
    That said, I'm not certain this was the best use of my tax dollars, but I can think of a lot worse ways to waste them. Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 23, 2020 | 11:51 27 It's the research staff being let go. They are cutting 25 million and spending 37 million on RDAR so it isn't about money. Reply With Quote