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Oct 16, 2020 | 21:53 1 Latest cash selling method

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Will frequenters update this thread as harvest goes on so i dont clog site up with my BS.

All thing relevant to my harvest which maybe of slight interest.

Will encompass cash prices export and domestic yields and pics.

And general australian commentry market opinion. Weather etc etc.

Unlike sask3 weekly update which is great this one just gonna roll on.
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  • Oct 16, 2020 | 22:12 2 Latest storage fees at elevators have dropped to $1.65 per tonne.

    Free month of delivery and following month.

    Exporters trying to get more grain into system less on farm.

    I have some on farm storage no way i can store it for that.

    Gonna be a active sell8ng season by exporters obviously. Reply With Quote
    Oct 16, 2020 | 22:20 3 Maybe importing countries don't want to run the supply cupboard too low, like being on your last roll of toilet paper and you can't buy any more. Reply With Quote
    Oct 16, 2020 | 22:22 4
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Maybe importing countries don't want to run the supply cupboard too low, like being on your last roll of toilet paper and you can't buy any more.
    Always glossy magazines but aint quite the same........ Reply With Quote
    Oct 16, 2020 | 22:24 5 After imports of hundreds of thousands of tonnes from Canada the last while, Australian exporters must be eager to get back to business.... Reply With Quote
    Oct 16, 2020 | 22:26 6
    Quote Originally Posted by malleefarmer View Post
    Always glossy magazines but aint quite the same........
    Some publications aren't even worthy of the task, glossy or not! Reply With Quote
    Oct 16, 2020 | 22:42 7
    Quote Originally Posted by farming101 View Post
    After imports of hundreds of thousands of tonnes from Canada the last while, Australian exporters must be eager to get back to business....
    Mentioned it a while back huge crops.

    Heardfrom aguy 8n blue ribbon area in our state has a lazy 6000 acres hes hoping to average errr 8 t ha barley 7 t ha wheat and 3 to 4 t hacanola.

    Rough prices were he lives barley 190 on farm wheat 260 and canola could even get to $600.

    Blue ribbon land has blue ribbon price probably $3500 to 4000 per acre Reply With Quote
    Oct 16, 2020 | 23:44 8 Another new option, 24 hour payment.

    Worked into price of course.

    Deliver grain friday take the missus shopping saturday Reply With Quote
    Oct 17, 2020 | 06:36 9 Malt barley is gonnabe a struggle, price wise.

    Local brewery here gonna shut after i think 130 yrs.

    3 reasons andits world wide.

    Beer consumption down 20% in calender year.

    Covid people aint going out.
    Covid people aint got spare income.
    World weather cooler people just aint had the beer drinking weather.

    Today for intance should be mid 20 s low thirties approaching harvest 16 c aint beer weather for a Saturday arvo. Harvest will be two weeks behind.

    Curr3nt spread between malt one and feed barley here about $5.

    Our house beer only when super hot or visitors always buy a box for guests in case its there poison.
    I have gin and tonic alot. As does missus.

    So i dont help matters much.

    Guess your beer season done over there as well. Reply With Quote
    Oct 17, 2020 | 07:11 10 Worldwide weather cooler ????
    Surely you jest , my friend Reply With Quote
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  • Blaithin's Avatar Oct 17, 2020 | 09:33 11 Canada must be the exception to that. I think all alcohol drinking has gone up 😆

    Your storage in elevators... it’s still hard to get my head around. They are large bins correct? What would the average size be you’d say? I’ve gotten the impression your grain is mixed with anyone else’s grain of similar use/quality. So there might be 10 farmers grain in that one bin.

    Then if one of those 10 sells 200 tonne, 200 of the mixed grain is pulled out of the bin and sold.

    If I’ve got the gist of it correct... then how often are quality issues a concern. Especially in certain crops - canola, malt, peas, etc - and especially after extended storage. Are the elevators doing anything to protect quality, like turning the bins, and monitoring it? Reply With Quote
    Oct 17, 2020 | 09:42 12 Looking forward to it Mallee.

    Enjoy your commentary from Oz and especially your pics.

    Maybe you could add some pics from the terminal and the transports that get it there.

    Also your farm supply depot and equipment they use.

    Thanks again. Reply With Quote

  • Oct 17, 2020 | 12:04 13 That's a very good question Blaithin. Because here maintaining grain quality is my responsibility. Even after its sold and undelivered.....even if the GrainCo doesn't take it in the "contracted" delivery period.

    Another one sided joke. Reply With Quote
    Blaithin's Avatar Oct 17, 2020 | 12:24 14
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    That's a very good question Blaithin. Because here maintaining grain quality is my responsibility. Even after its sold and undelivered.....even if the GrainCo doesn't take it in the "contracted" delivery period.

    Another one sided joke.
    Elevators also ensure quality.

    They don’t let bins sit for months without turning. They don’t put tough layers in with dry. Factors like heated, high dockage, rotten, even bug bits, will get things separated so as to not cause potential issue with grain that doesn’t have those factors.

    No, they don’t want to take in grain they don’t have a train for for months because that’s months they have to spend watching it to make sure it doesn’t turn into a mess in a massive bin.

    I can’t see Australian terminals just dumping all of a farmers grain into a bin all together, with other farmers grain, and letting it sit, and crossing their fingers that it’ll all come out of the bin looking the exact same as it went in. Which is why it’s curious to me how they do it and on what scale. Hundred tonne bins? Thousand tonne bins? Reply With Quote
    Oct 17, 2020 | 12:56 15
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    That's a very good question Blaithin. Because here maintaining grain quality is my responsibility. Even after its sold and undelivered.....even if the GrainCo doesn't take it in the "contracted" delivery period.

    Another one sided joke.
    Shit , we are responsible for it even after they have it Reply With Quote
    Oct 17, 2020 | 13:50 16
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaithin View Post
    Canada must be the exception to that. I think all alcohol drinking has gone up 😆

    Your storage in elevators... it’s still hard to get my head around. They are large bins correct? What would the average size be you’d say? I’ve gotten the impression your grain is mixed with anyone else’s grain of similar use/quality. So there might be 10 farmers grain in that one bin.

    Then if one of those 10 sells 200 tonne, 200 of the mixed grain is pulled out of the bin and sold.

    If I’ve got the gist of it correct... then how often are quality issues a concern. Especially in certain crops - canola, malt, peas, etc - and especially after extended storage. Are the elevators doing anything to protect quality, like turning the bins, and monitoring it?
    People drinking more wine and spirits is the assumption.

    Will get photos of my bulk handling facilities today.

    Justchecked 17 segregations for 20/21 Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Oct 17, 2020 | 13:55 17 I may be wrong but.
    Australia had 82% commercial storage capacity decades ago.
    We had a very different system for various reasons. Climate, geography, and politics.
    A look at the third gen terminals being built here now illustrates the lack of need for much segregation. Reply With Quote
    Blaithin's Avatar Oct 17, 2020 | 13:59 18
    Quote Originally Posted by malleefarmer View Post
    Justchecked 17 segregations for 20/21
    So you have to fit within the specs of one of those 17 to be stored? Or how close to spec does the grain have to be? Reply With Quote
    Blaithin's Avatar Oct 17, 2020 | 14:28 19
    Quote Originally Posted by blackpowder View Post
    A look at the third gen terminals being built here now illustrates the lack of need for much segregation.
    You might be surprised how much segregating goes on. Reply With Quote
    Oct 17, 2020 | 15:38 20 9 grades of wheat protein test weight screening and we have dynamic binning which results in upgrades.

    7 barley segs

    2 canola

    Beans 2

    As harvest rolls new segregation can be made ifvthere are quality issues.

    I have protiein tester mosture and testvweight screenings tester on farm so can work out what grade before it leaves the field.

    Way way different than you guys have.

    Stacked average of every elevator is released daily

    Example H1 wheat is top notch the best 13% protien and above. H2 is 11.5 to 12.9% protien.

    If a certain elevator is unindated with H1 and protien is running at say 14.2% proein average and you know you have H2 Say 12.8% well if possible you deliver to elevator 1 and get a upgrade meaning the 12.8 will blend with the 14.2 and not effectvthe overal H1 standard.

    Not super complicated, just transparent for growers and buyers to knowcwhats in each elevator.

    Another example elevator will notify that segregationsuch and such wont be taken today trains getting sales been made ship getting loaded. So you then know that elevator may be short of that grade.

    Might seem complicated to you guys.

    Someone mentioned weather yeah our storage is way different than yours.

    I like to think most aussie growers work with traders end users exporters flour mills rather than view them as the “enemy” Reply With Quote
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  • blackpowder's Avatar Oct 17, 2020 | 16:41 21
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaithin View Post
    You might be surprised how much segregating goes on.
    Before it hits the train yes.
    On farm storage capacity still likely 40% of the crop.
    Local terminal has 2 1.5M bu piles.
    3 650k bins.
    And 6 40k bins.
    And that's it.
    Likely all HRS shipped as #2.
    All CPS would be.
    Blended for px spec
    min falling #s
    Just my speculation. Reply With Quote
    Oct 17, 2020 | 22:39 22 FYI my local

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    Oct 17, 2020 | 23:10 23 Last one.

    The last pic is not my local but another about 100 kms seats of me again on rail and

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  • ColevilleH2S's Avatar Oct 18, 2020 | 08:28 24
    Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
    Shit , we are responsible for it even after they have it
    No kidding, twice I got phone calls from Viterra a few days after deliveries of malt Barley saying, "hey your germ test came back too low, we are going to give you feed price for those loads." Reply With Quote
    Oct 18, 2020 | 08:34 25
    Quote Originally Posted by ColevilleH2S View Post
    No kidding, twice I got phone calls from Viterra a few days after deliveries of malt Barley saying, "hey your germ test came back too low, we are going to give you feed price for those loads."
    No, you just got fúcked. Should have asked for those exact loads back......
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    Oct 18, 2020 | 08:59 26
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    No, you just got fúcked. Should have asked for those exact loads back......
    If it's comingled it ain't coming home. Besides, the contract usually provides for them to take it as feed at the lowest possible price Reply With Quote
    Blaithin's Avatar Oct 18, 2020 | 09:10 27 No, just ask them if they ran a recheck before they called it in. If they haven’t looked at it since harvest then it’s their own fault, their program is based on rechecks every few months/before it’s called in.

    Shockingly they don’t seem to do many rechecks 🤔 Reply With Quote
    Oct 18, 2020 | 09:20 28 Thats what i did
    Said they couldnt
    I said wait now , its seperated ?
    No its in the malt train
    They paid malt
    But how about waiting two weeks to get paid for wheat while they see if they can discount you some more for FN etc ? Reply With Quote
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  • Oct 18, 2020 | 09:24 29 When they call for it to be delivered. It's theirs. For how many days before delivery is a passed recheck valid?

    If they aren't willing to ensure it's good to go before it falls through the grates that's their problem.

    Rechecks out of representative sample pails or probed samples at doors and roof access doors aren't valid in my mind.
    That is only a small snap shot of a very large panoramic picture, especially massive bins.

    So what? Turn it? You can't pay me enough for the risk and all the hoops and hurdles I'm expected to clear to successfully grow, store and have it accepted.

    Can be good money in it though, but not worth the grief to me.

    I remember producers who are passive easy targets having their samples rejected after delivery.

    Co-mingled. Not really possible to keep cars and cars of everyone's barley seperate.

    Joke! Reply With Quote
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  • Blaithin's Avatar Oct 18, 2020 | 09:44 30 Most will try and keep producers separate until checks on delivery come back. Once germ is confirmed they’ll blend. Depending where it’s going for a check, they can have results easily by the next day. It’s not a week long process. Why terminals that handle lots of malt don’t have the quicker option the Canada Malt elevators seem to have is beyond me. Would save the hassle.

    Shouldn’t be much different than the new terminals installing falling number machines on site. If they’re going to buy based on it and not be able to segregate enough and risk messing up a bin, they need real time results. V needs to start upgrading their locations so they aren’t sending everything to Regina for checks. And even then it seems to be a half assed job. Reply With Quote
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