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Sep 24, 2020 | 20:15 1 So Melanie Joly said other countries support their airlines regionally...


And where the phuck are our farm leaders asking the exact same question for farmers?

Disclaimer...I didn't mean to like my own thread....I was scrolling and hit like button without realizing it.
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  • Sep 24, 2020 | 20:53 2 This f-kn APAS for one should be ashamed of themselves
    Get after your councillors , defund that useless outfit
    Liberal assholes doubled that fk-n carbon tax on drying grain and APAS just lays there licking their nuts saying its ok long as we get our per diems
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  • Sep 24, 2020 | 21:21 3
    Quote Originally Posted by caseih View Post
    This f-kn APAS for one should be ashamed of themselves
    Get after your councillors , defund that useless outfit
    Liberal assholes doubled that fk-n carbon tax on drying grain and APAS just lays there licking their nuts saying its ok long as we get our per diems
    Every time I talk with my RM counsellor he gives me the runaround, I guess he’s just smarter than everyone else. It’s just taxation with out representation. Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 24, 2020 | 21:30 4 Sometimes I think all the APAS Reps are is tax dollar tit suckers.

    Have they single handedly made a difference on any issue.
    Maybe they have, please list them.

    Out of 296 Sask Rural Municipalities, 137 have APAS membership. Two Reps out of each of the six districts makes up the BOD.
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    Sep 24, 2020 | 21:45 5 Oh I know, maybe they could lobby for fair grain contracts for farmers, start by giving Producers the right to offer their grain to multiple buyers at the same time. Not some one- sided piece of shit contract that ties our hands( commits us to one buyer until they decide to accept it), is that marketing freedom? Is that competition. How do these things happen? That is the biggest reason I hate target price agreements. If I have my grain offered to numerous buyers at the same time and more than one triggers, I will decide where I sell it. Reply With Quote

  • Sep 25, 2020 | 05:18 6
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Oh I know, maybe they could lobby for fair grain contracts for farmers, start by giving Producers the right to offer their grain to multiple buyers at the same time. Not some one- sided piece of shit contract that ties our hands( commits us to one buyer until they decide to accept it), is that marketing freedom? Is that competition. How do these things happen? That is the biggest reason I hate target price agreements. If I have my grain offered to numerous buyers at the same time and more than one triggers, I will decide where I sell it.
    Hey mate im the class dunce but whats this offer grain to multiple buyers at one time gig. Just dont get it sorry am I missing something?

    Today here ijust checked harvest 7weeks away minimum so buyers not out of the woodwork yet butvthere were 26 operating at local elevator with privces if i chose to go there plus aplethoria of domestic bids?

    Are you telling me some days you only have one buyer? Sorry dumb question but hey its ON topic Reply With Quote
    Sep 25, 2020 | 06:21 7 Not a dumb question Mallee.

    In Canada GrainCos want Producers to sign target price agreements. This is basically telling the GrainCo how much Spondoolee we want for our grain, but they are "binding" contracts but only binding the Producer to the GrainCo. So there those contracts sit until the GrainCo decides to take the contracted tonnage at the price the Producer wants. The problem is you can't offer that same grain to other GrainCos as long as that contract is in force. Producers have the right to withdraw the contract(offer) at any time.

    I guess if the Producer wanted to offer grain to multiple Buyers at the same time, they could split up the tonnage and offer smaller amounts to multiple buyers. If one of the Companies accepted the Producer's offer, the Producer could always hope the GrainCo might take all the grain he wanted to sell(on offer to other GrainCos as well but those target price contracts would have to be cancelled first).

    In my opinion it's a shifty system for the Producer. One sided.

    Image signing a grain contract and only one party is bound by it, limiting their ability to sell their grain to another buyer. But the Purchaser has that open offer to them and it just sits there until THEY decide to accept it. You are committed to them but they aren't committed to you! One sided binding contract until you decide to withdraw the offer or they accept it.

    Producers can put an expiry date on the offer. Reply With Quote
    Sep 25, 2020 | 06:24 8
    Quote Originally Posted by malleefarmer View Post
    Hey mate im the class dunce but whats this offer grain to multiple buyers at one time gig. Just dont get it sorry am I missing something?

    Today here ijust checked harvest 7weeks away minimum so buyers not out of the woodwork yet butvthere were 26 operating at local elevator with privces if i chose to go there plus aplethoria of domestic bids?

    Are you telling me some days you only have one buyer? Sorry dumb question but hey its ON topic
    Each company gives the farmer the option to place a future target price that you the farmer would accept for your grain. The farmer can select any price that they want and wait to see if the company they placed this target price with will accept it. Let’s say you have a 1,000 bushels total crop and selected 12.00 a bushel target with viterra. Viterra then has the option to accept your offer or not at any time during the time period you selected. If you made this same target price offer with the other companies and they all accepted the offer at the same time. You’d be in trouble because you don’t have that grain for all of them.
    It should be changed as mentioned above so that you can put in your price that you want with all the buyers and if any or all of them accept then you get to pick which one you want to sell to. That would be a step closer to actual market freedom. It would also create more true competition I believe. Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 25, 2020 | 06:34 9 Geez I'm good at derailing threads. How did we get from "money for airlines" to grain contracts?

    Damn marketing forum, how does that marketing stuff creep into unrelated topics? Reply With Quote
    Sep 25, 2020 | 06:42 10
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Geez I'm good at derailing threads. How did we get from "money for airlines" to grain contracts?

    Damn marketing forum, how does that marketing stuff creep into unrelated topics?
    It's because you take the blinders off and have a wide angle view.

    Our farm leaders can't ....

    Even our conservative MPs when they heard Joly say that on the news last night about supporting Canadian airlines because other countries do.....should be a red flag for our local MPS to speak up....they won't. Reply With Quote
    Sep 25, 2020 | 06:45 11
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Geez I'm good at derailing threads. How did we get from "money for airlines" to grain contracts?

    Damn marketing forum, how does that marketing stuff creep into unrelated topics?
    Lol if I would have seen your better explanation sooner I wouldn’t have posted mine for how the targets work.

    What else can we say about airlines anyway? Lol

    Actually the topic is about how industry reps are effective. Our ag reps certainly are not. All our farm groups have become or maybe always were politicized. For example as mentioned apas is just a sub group for the sask party. It’s so obvious they never question anything the government does at all. A few times when farmers start threatening to cancel them they put out a meaningless paper that they never follow through on.
    Appear to be ass ickers just waiting for the next sask party mla candidate to retire so they can be the next one to be useless and collect the best pension there is to do nothing.
    Smooth control move by the sask party but a complete waste of farmers money going through the rm. Reply With Quote
    Sep 25, 2020 | 06:50 12 Nothing wrong with your post BW. Another similar point of view verifies the problem. Reply With Quote
    Sep 25, 2020 | 06:51 13
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Sometimes I think all the APAS Reps are is tax dollar tit suckers.

    Have they single handedly made a difference on any issue.
    Maybe they have, please list them.

    Out of 296 Sask Rural Municipalities, 137 have APAS membership. Two Reps out of each of the six districts makes up the BOD.
    I think it is high time we went down to about 150 RMs instead of the current 296. My RM has a $ 500,000 gravel budget for 9 townships . Time to trim some fat boys , and I am sure it goes on in a lot of RMs in this province. Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 25, 2020 | 06:58 14 90% of air travel is completely unnecessary, a government truly concerned about the environment/climate change would recognize this and perhaps encourage a downsizing, much like they are doing to the energy sector. Reply With Quote

  • Sep 25, 2020 | 06:59 15
    Quote Originally Posted by MBgrower View Post
    90% of air travel is completely unnecessary, a government truly concerned about the environment/climate change would recognize this and perhaps encourage a downsizing, much like they are doing to the energy sector.
    No MP is going to go against subsidizing the airlines...how are they to get away to Ottawa to phuck the dog or someone else? Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 25, 2020 | 07:01 16 Our RM is sitting on 2.6 million in fairly liquid assets.
    Almost no liabilities.
    Accumulated surplus of 6.2 million.

    But I sure can't complain about the mill rate and services are decent. A bit is a bone to pick about the "shape" of the road surface(crown versus flat that poorly sheds rain---- whenever that happens here) Reply With Quote
    Sep 25, 2020 | 07:22 17 This is what minister Joly said..."Many other countries in the world go ahead and support their regional routes through subsidies, including the U.S.,"


    Now if our farm groups can't piggy back on that statement there is something wrong with them....

    And Trump has sent out or promised the equivalent of 75 billion CDN to American farmers so far and its not over..... Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 25, 2020 | 08:22 18
    Quote Originally Posted by MBgrower View Post
    90% of air travel is completely unnecessary, a government truly concerned about the environment/climate change would recognize this and perhaps encourage a downsizing, much like they are doing to the energy sector.
    This is a valid point. It seems as though climate alarmists love flying especially to warm destinations in January. Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 25, 2020 | 17:23 19
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    So Melanie Joly said other countries support their airlines regionally...


    And where the phuck are our farm leaders asking the exact same question for farmers?

    Disclaimer...I didn't mean to like my own thread....I was scrolling and hit like button without realizing it.
    A big thank you from Trudeau for spreading the virus all over Canada as fast as possible Reply With Quote
    LEP
    Sep 25, 2020 | 18:45 20
    Quote Originally Posted by GALAXIE500 View Post
    I think it is high time we went down to about 150 RMs instead of the current 296. My RM has a $ 500,000 gravel budget for 9 townships . Time to trim some fat boys , and I am sure it goes on in a lot of RMs in this province.
    Have you tried buying gravel lately? It aint getting any cheaper. Our RM has its own pit. But that won't last forever. Depending on the amount of rain we use between 50 and 80,000 yards a year. At $28 a yard if you had to pay full bore, it becomes a big number quick. Plus the cost to spread.

    Just a note. The cost has gone up substantially in the last two years because of the infrastructure projects. Reply With Quote
    Sep 25, 2020 | 20:25 21 Son in law has two pilots working for him as labourers
    One flies the big ones
    He doesnt think he will ever work again
    Gotta feel bad for them
    It takes 10 years of starving to death as a pilot to get the hours
    One was flying groc to reserves and they paid him min wage
    Its a cutthroat buisness
    I feel pretty lucky doing what im doing , where im doing it right now ! Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 26, 2020 | 10:25 22
    Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
    Have you tried buying gravel lately? It aint getting any cheaper. Our RM has its own pit. But that won't last forever. Depending on the amount of rain we use between 50 and 80,000 yards a year. At $28 a yard if you had to pay full bore, it becomes a big number quick. Plus the cost to spread.

    Just a note. The cost has gone up substantially in the last two years because of the infrastructure projects.
    $28 per yard is a crazy price for gravel. Reply With Quote
    Sep 26, 2020 | 10:52 23
    Quote Originally Posted by LEP View Post
    Have you tried buying gravel lately? It aint getting any cheaper. Our RM has its own pit. But that won't last forever. Depending on the amount of rain we use between 50 and 80,000 yards a year. At $28 a yard if you had to pay full bore, it becomes a big number quick. Plus the cost to spread.

    Just a note. The cost has gone up substantially in the last two years because of the infrastructure projects.
    That sounds high.

    Our municipality took a tender for $7.50 or $8.00/ T for A gravel this spring when the roads were covered. Maximum 10 - 12 mile haul from pit.

    At 1.5 T/ yard - not hard to figure.

    Correction: that cost is per metric tonne.

    Nuther edit: at $28/yard, it would be more feasible to pave the roads.
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    LEP
    Sep 26, 2020 | 11:05 24
    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver88 View Post
    $28 per yard is a crazy price for gravel.
    That is the reality here in wc sask. 40 to 50 mile haul from the pit. We have tendered and bought a few thousand yards at that.

    Crushing is $3.65 on gravel plus $3 on reject. Our pit is becoming sandier and so we reject 40 to 60 percent.

    We have bought pure clean crushed rock for $16 and hauled to our pit and blended sand and it still worked out to mid $20s.

    If you have a gravel pit in your rm don't take it for granted. Reply With Quote
    LEP
    Sep 26, 2020 | 11:16 25
    Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
    That sounds high.

    Our municipality took a tender for $7.50 or $8.00/ T for A gravel this spring when the roads were covered. Maximum 10 - 12 mile haul from pit.

    At 1.5 T/ yard - not hard to figure.

    Correction: that cost is per metric tonne.

    Nuther edit: at $28/yard, it would be more feasible to pave the roads.
    Don't take having gravel for granted. It's supply and demand. Lots of supply and it's cheaper.

    Area RM's at one time looked at bringing it in by rail. That comes at a cost as well.

    Cost to pave would be a few hundred million. Even just the heavy haul roads would be 75 million. 18 townships. Several hundred miles of road. But the lowest mill rate in the province. Reply With Quote
    Sep 26, 2020 | 12:45 26 Envy your RM, farma.

    Mine apparently doesn't have any reserves. The administrator when asked by a ratepayer replied that that question would have to be asked of their auditor.

    Some days you have to shake your head, and wonder what more important could be in the head of a $80,000.00 plus salaried administrator. I'd say not much. Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 26, 2020 | 13:11 27
    Quote Originally Posted by checking View Post
    Envy your RM, farma.

    Mine apparently doesn't have any reserves. The administrator when asked by a ratepayer replied that that question would have to be asked of their auditor.

    Some days you have to shake your head, and wonder what more important could be in the head of a $80,000.00 plus salaried administrator. I'd say not much.
    The info I posted is provided is a "snap shot" of the financial statements, it accompanies ever year's tax notice.

    They used to also show the Councillor's remuneration but no longer provide that kind of "detail". Reply With Quote