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Sep 21, 2020 | 21:28 1 It just doesn't end ....

And a billion for buying old hotels to convert them to housing... Reply With Quote

  • Sep 22, 2020 | 06:40 2 The miracle of zero percent interest. When you can borrow at zero percent, even the most hare-brained schemes pencil out.

    Most politicians are thinking they've died and gone heaven thanks to Covid. The cost of buying a vote is pretty much zero now. Reply With Quote

  • Sep 22, 2020 | 06:58 3 Wouldn't this be considered a subsidy ...like the regular auto industry gets or the oil and gas industry receives. ? Reply With Quote
    Sep 22, 2020 | 07:23 4
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    Wouldn't this be considered a subsidy ...like the regular auto industry gets or the oil and gas industry receives. ?
    If its not a problem to give 30 to 50 billion in subsidies to oil and gas, it shouldn't be a problem to give a few scraps to the electric car industry. Reply With Quote
    Sep 22, 2020 | 07:24 5 For all of Jerry Diaz criminal activity with the union stuff out in Regina...he manages to get the governments ear on these things ....so why dont the farm groups hire him....because the current group of farm leaders are doing a really shitty job...


    The throne speech and not one farm group did anything public for an ask ....their methods are not working....

    20 billion cdn equivalent just announced by Trump recently...

    Canadian farmers-----zero nothing nada.....and crickets from the farmer groups except for the Ontario group... Reply With Quote
    Sep 22, 2020 | 07:28 6
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    If its not a problem to give 30 to 50 billion in subsidies to oil and gas, it shouldn't be a problem to give a few scraps to the electric car industry.
    Pls show us where the oil industry has been given those kinds of subsidies, especially from a resource that contributed $600B back to confederation. I would say that was a pretty good investment if true. A 20:1 ROI.

    How much will electric vehicles contribute? Exactly zero. In fact, it will lose money. Reply With Quote

  • Sep 22, 2020 | 07:41 7 Bloomberg:

    https://about.bnef.com/electric-vehicle-outlook/

    International Energy Agency forecast:

    https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2020 Reply With Quote
    Sep 22, 2020 | 07:43 8
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    If its not a problem to give 30 to 50 billion in subsidies to oil and gas, it shouldn't be a problem to give a few scraps to the electric car industry.
    Which economy do you like ...the one we have now...... or the one where oil and gas are generating alot of jobs and the economy seemed healthy...

    This electric vehicle subsidy is only to keep a few jobs....and eventually Ford will move them anyway...

    It won't end at the 500 million to Ford....sell a bunch of EV and the whole electrical grid will need an update.... Reply With Quote
    Sep 22, 2020 | 07:51 9 Traditional vehicle production will be back in Michigan thanks to Trump. Sorry ontario, maybe you can make some alternators for them or something.

    Anything electric will be based out of Texas where Tesla is moving. Ford will be there buying up Telsa with our $500M. The govt should just buy Teslas overpriced stock. Would be a better return than this idiot scheme. Reply With Quote
    Sep 22, 2020 | 08:54 10
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    Which economy do you like ...the one we have now...... or the one where oil and gas are generating alot of jobs and the economy seemed healthy...

    This electric vehicle subsidy is only to keep a few jobs....and eventually Ford will move them anyway...

    It won't end at the 500 million to Ford....sell a bunch of EV and the whole electrical grid will need an update....
    Exactly, without steady power from natural gas or nuclear power plants this scheme is As dead in the water as the power grid in mid winter will be in 95% of Canada . Reply With Quote
    Sep 22, 2020 | 10:53 11 Tell me,


    Why is it that most of you on here hold on so fervently to one energy source?

    Geothermal can generate power and heat homes without emissions.

    Hydrogen is largely untapped.

    Hydroelectric dams last for hundreds of years and produce clean energy plus manage a resource.

    Wind is always blowing. Might as well use it for something?


    Battery packs keep getting better. Oil is a battery too.

    Bio-waste can be turned into heat power and fuel for engines and turbines plus remove waste and gas from landfills.


    Instead of trucks and cars think hyperloop and electric trains.

    You truly want to know why we go nowhere in this country? It's because the majority of people - regardless of political spectrum - would rather bash an idea than come up with one, fund one, or build one.


    Hell, I'm sure the wheel and fire would never have been adopted if the entire world was like you guys Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 22, 2020 | 11:02 12 Name:  20200922_092658.jpg
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    Very close to the Ghetto.

    Renewables can surely compliment hydrocarbons but it will be awhile until they can supplant them.

    Some new homes here built with Geothermal complain about it not keeping up during prolonged cold spells. And the power bill being high supplementing heating and for running pumps etc.

    Will renewables be able to keep up to growing demands or will they always have to be supplemented with hydrocarbons, hydro-electric, etc. Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 22, 2020 | 11:06 13
    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    Tell me,


    Why is it that most of you on here hold on so fervently to one energy source?

    Geothermal can generate power and heat homes without emissions.

    Hydrogen is largely untapped.

    Hydroelectric dams last for hundreds of years and produce clean energy plus manage a resource.

    Wind is always blowing. Might as well use it for something?


    Battery packs keep getting better. Oil is a battery too.

    Bio-waste can be turned into heat power and fuel for engines and turbines plus remove waste and gas from landfills.


    Instead of trucks and cars think hyperloop and electric trains.

    You truly want to know why we go nowhere in this country? It's because the majority of people - regardless of political spectrum - would rather bash an idea than come up with one, fund one, or build one.


    Hell, I'm sure the wheel and fire would never have been adopted if the entire world was like you guys

    Tell me where i am plugging my electric tractor and combine into and we can have a conversation....

    Trains are essentially electric now....diesel powers the generator....you want to start putting power lines above the mainline????? And keep it functional????

    power outage and the trains stop?????wtf Reply With Quote
    Sep 22, 2020 | 11:10 14
    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    Tell me,


    Why is it that most of you on here hold on so fervently to one energy source?

    Geothermal can generate power and heat homes without emissions.

    Hydrogen is largely untapped.

    Hydroelectric dams last for hundreds of years and produce clean energy plus manage a resource.

    Wind is always blowing. Might as well use it for something?


    Battery packs keep getting better. Oil is a battery too.

    Bio-waste can be turned into heat power and fuel for engines and turbines plus remove waste and gas from landfills.


    Instead of trucks and cars think hyperloop and electric trains.

    You truly want to know why we go nowhere in this country? It's because the majority of people - regardless of political spectrum - would rather bash an idea than come up with one, fund one, or build one.


    Hell, I'm sure the wheel and fire would never have been adopted if the entire world was like you guys
    People on here don’t want only one power supply. From what I understand they want several reliable power supplies which include hydro-electric, nuclear, NG, coal, and you propose straw (gassifier) power which seems like something worth looking into for certain applications.

    Could you explain why wind power would be a good investment on the Canadian prairies for a reliable power source? (The Alberta power statistics don’t show that it’s always windy but I’d like to hear your explanation.) Reply With Quote
    Sep 22, 2020 | 11:11 15
    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    Tell me,


    Why is it that most of you on here hold on so fervently to one energy source?

    Geothermal can generate power and heat homes without emissions.

    Hydrogen is largely untapped.

    Hydroelectric dams last for hundreds of years and produce clean energy plus manage a resource.

    Wind is always blowing. Might as well use it for something?


    Battery packs keep getting better. Oil is a battery too.

    Bio-waste can be turned into heat power and fuel for engines and turbines plus remove waste and gas from landfills.


    Instead of trucks and cars think hyperloop and electric trains.

    You truly want to know why we go nowhere in this country? It's because the majority of people - regardless of political spectrum - would rather bash an idea than come up with one, fund one, or build one.


    Hell, I'm sure the wheel and fire would never have been adopted if the entire world was like you guys
    Hydroelectric dams are finished , be honest with yourself . Reply With Quote
    Sep 22, 2020 | 12:49 16
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Hydroelectric dams are finished , be honest with yourself .
    The world begs to differ...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-45019893 Reply With Quote
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    Sep 22, 2020 | 16:06 17
    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    The world begs to differ...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-45019893
    I think the article actually affirms what furrow just stated.

    Most Dams are being built outside of NA. Because of lower environmental and cultural impact standards.

    The World Bank is no longer financing these projects and the Chinese Infrastructure Bank has stepped in because they ask fewer questions. Also it allows Chinese firms to take control of the project.

    In NA Site C may well be the last dam project in the next few decades. Reply With Quote

  • Sep 22, 2020 | 16:31 18 Maybe we all need to buy a diesel electric kirvet tractor and hook it up to the grid when not using it for field use Reply With Quote
    Sep 22, 2020 | 17:14 19
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Hydroelectric dams are finished , be honest with yourself .
    If you cant build a little pipeline, how will you ever convince the woke crowd its ok to flood out vasts tracks of land to build a hydro dam. Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 22, 2020 | 17:45 20
    Quote Originally Posted by MBgrower View Post
    If you cant build a little pipeline, how will you ever convince the woke crowd its ok to flood out vasts tracks of land to build a hydro dam.
    Tell them they can fish, drive their boats and personal watercraft, camp in the adjacent parks, charge their electric cars, irrigate..... all as a result of a power generating hydro dam.

    And as bucket says, do we have enough elevation to make more than one, afew many miles apart?, ...the cascading effect.

    Fresh water is always in short supply on the arid prairies. Using it purposefully would be better than letting it flow to salt water.
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  • Sep 22, 2020 | 20:06 21 500 M - smells a little Musky to me. Reply With Quote

  • Sep 22, 2020 | 21:07 22
    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    The world begs to differ...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-45019893
    The world does not have to deal with First Nation rights and obsessive environmental regulations at the same time ... again be honest with yourself .... here , in Canada

    The rest of the world is blowing past Canada as we pander to every single “special” group ... and have to have fire side chats about every single issue

    The rest of the world is currently laughing at the stupidity in Canada
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  • Sep 23, 2020 | 05:43 23 Why can Ford Motor Co be asked to use their saving or cash to build electric vehicles as opposed to using taxpayer money....

    Seems odd on the agriculture side of the federal government you have Bibeau concerned that the agri-invest accounts are not zeroed out before they help but on the auto side they shovel money at an auto company with plenty of cash....

    We need better farm leader's ...they are not getting the job done...75 billion cdn equivalent trump has thrown at farmers.... Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 23, 2020 | 09:06 24
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    The world does not have to deal with First Nation rights and obsessive environmental regulations at the same time ... again be honest with yourself .... here , in Canada

    The rest of the world is blowing past Canada as we pander to every single “special” group ... and have to have fire side chats about every single issue

    The rest of the world is currently laughing at the stupidity in Canada

    Canada has some soul searching to do as a nation. However I believe media is more to cause than any group...


    Hard to have big protest groups when media doesn't cover them.


    We have an issue in that we try to make everyone happy and spend s lot of time chasing fringe groups. St the end of the day, we are a confederation and the government has a mandate to rule in favour of the majority while protecting the rights of minorities as best as possible. Reply With Quote
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  • Sep 23, 2020 | 09:18 25
    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver88 View Post
    People on here don’t want only one power supply. From what I understand they want several reliable power supplies which include hydro-electric, nuclear, NG, coal, and you propose straw (gassifier) power which seems like something worth looking into for certain applications.

    Could you explain why wind power would be a good investment on the Canadian prairies for a reliable power source? (The Alberta power statistics don’t show that it’s always windy but I’d like to hear your explanation.)
    You could have fooled me. Every post on here is we can't possibly supplant fossil fuels. Just doesn't work!!!


    Well there's two provinces in canada that get their power from water. Another that gets it from nuclear.


    There's no reason why provinces on the ocean coasts can't harvest some of the currents for power.

    Eventually fossil fuels will run out. Then what?



    I'm all for a balance and as many power sources as possible. However, for instance, I believe Saskatchewan gets most of it's power from coal and gas. Let's diversify that.

    Maybe nuclear?

    Maybe some wind and some solar in the mix.

    Let's do something with waste heat and co2 from the gas fired power plants.



    We supplied equipment to a greenhouse facility in sask that is heated by coal and powered from electricity from the grid, then they burn nat gas to dose the building with co2.

    Absolutely no way is that 1) cost effective, 2) environmentally responsible, 3) efficient, or 4) sustainable.






    As far as the comment about electric tractors... The world is a big place and there's a lot of places electricity makes sense. People driving 2 ton cars to work every day... For instance.

    City deliveries.

    Trains can be run down electrified tracks.

    Even on your farm... How many times do you run to and from the field in a pickup every day or to town for parts? A cyber truck can do all that. Put in some solar or wind generation and a power pack and you can basically bomb from field to field for free.


    Costs are still high but coming down daily.

    10 years ago people would have said you're crazy replacing an air powered impact with battery. How many air impacts do you use today? Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2020 | 07:24 26
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    The world does not have to deal with First Nation rights and obsessive environmental regulations at the same time ... again be honest with yourself .... here , in Canada

    The rest of the world is blowing past Canada as we pander to every single “special” group ... and have to have fire side chats about every single issue

    The rest of the world is currently laughing at the stupidity in Canada
    The oil industry and agriculture are also considered "special interests".

    Oil and a ag commodities are priced in the "free" market. Farm inputs are priced in the "free" market.

    You support a "free" market correct? Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2020 | 07:29 27
    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    You could have fooled me. Every post on here is we can't possibly supplant fossil fuels. Just doesn't work!!!


    Well there's two provinces in canada that get their power from water. Another that gets it from nuclear.


    There's no reason why provinces on the ocean coasts can't harvest some of the currents for power.

    Eventually fossil fuels will run out. Then what?



    I'm all for a balance and as many power sources as possible. However, for instance, I believe Saskatchewan gets most of it's power from coal and gas. Let's diversify that.

    Maybe nuclear?

    Maybe some wind and some solar in the mix.

    Let's do something with waste heat and co2 from the gas fired power plants.



    We supplied equipment to a greenhouse facility in sask that is heated by coal and powered from electricity from the grid, then they burn nat gas to dose the building with co2.

    Absolutely no way is that 1) cost effective, 2) environmentally responsible, 3) efficient, or 4) sustainable.






    As far as the comment about electric tractors... The world is a big place and there's a lot of places electricity makes sense. People driving 2 ton cars to work every day... For instance.

    City deliveries.

    Trains can be run down electrified tracks.

    Even on your farm... How many times do you run to and from the field in a pickup every day or to town for parts? A cyber truck can do all that. Put in some solar or wind generation and a power pack and you can basically bomb from field to field for free.


    Costs are still high but coming down daily.

    10 years ago people would have said you're crazy replacing an air powered impact with battery. How many air impacts do you use today?
    Z many of these are the same people who were pissed because the market for buggy whips disappeared.

    Its the glass is half empty crowd. Excessively pessimistic and negative about changing technology. Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2020 | 07:45 28
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Z many of these are the same people who were pissed because the market for buggy whips disappeared.

    Its the glass is half empty crowd. Excessively pessimistic and negative about changing technology.
    You're kidding about adopting new technology right?

    Just because some people think solar and wind power generation and storage hasn't evolved to reach its full potential yet and can't completely replace other mature power generating technologies doesn't mean some people think it has NO value. Reply With Quote

  • Sep 24, 2020 | 07:52 29
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    You're kidding about adopting new technology right?

    Just because some people think solar and wind power generation and storage hasn't evolved to reach its full potential yet and can't completely replace other mature power generating technologies doesn't mean some people think it has NO value.
    Too bad chuck didnt actually farm. he might be amazed at the technology being used.

    Imagine an arm chair tourist like him trying to tell actual farmers they are against technology. Reply With Quote
    Sep 24, 2020 | 07:54 30 Back to the I dont farm BS? LOL Sorry to ruin your party But I am landowning capitalist farmer.

    Many utilities and countries are already using large amounts of solar and wind.

    But A5 and others keep telling us it wont work! LOL

    An Australian Electrical operator says it is the cheapest generation sources there.

    We still need backup and storage. The transition to many cleaner energy sources is well underway.
    Last edited by chuckChuck; Sep 24, 2020 at 07:57.
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