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[AlbertaFarmer5]

And dropping, wind now down to 0.02% of generation. When I saw those low numbers last winter I thought maybe it was just an anomaly during the cold weather. Apparently not so.

[furrowtickler]

And dropping, wind now down to 0.02% of generation. When I saw those low numbers last winter I thought maybe it was just an anomaly during the cold weather. Apparently not so.

Wind always blows .... lol

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I checked a few more times lately. As low as 10 MW, up to 17 MW. At 10 MW, that is meeting 0.01% of Alberta's demand. Name plate would be almost 20%. California decommissioned a lot of conventional plants thinking wind and solar would replace them, with resulting blackouts and exorbitant price increases , fortunately AB hasn't yet done so.

[jazz]

I checked a few more times lately. As low as 10 MW, up to 17 MW. At 10 MW, that is meeting 0.01% of Alberta's demand..

But those windfarms are creating a billion terawatts of virtue signaling.

[chuckChuck]

See the gross ignorance in Chuck's post #60 as an example of what I am talking about. A wholly government owned utility is mandating expanding renewables way past the point of complete grid destabilization, and shills like Chuck just repeat it ad nauseum, as if repetition is somehow going to make all the technical hurdles magically disappear.

This is the type of ignorant misinformation, and the useful idiots we are up against, and the reason why some of us make the effort to point out the absurdity and shortcomings of such wishful thinking.

Here is one hurdle, I hadn't checked ASEO for months, so I had a look this AM. Wind generation in Alberta is currently at ~7% of nameplate capacity and falling steadily all morning so far. As we pointed out last winter, it fell to zero sometimes. Solar was 0 until after 8 AM today. If grid scale battery storage existed at at cost that could be remotely competetive with fossil fuels, then these periods would be a non issue. A recent MIT study found that storage costs need to decline by a full order of magnitude to be competitive.
As Oneoff likes to say, anything is possible if you put enough horsepower behind it. Or in this case, taxpayer dollars, and consumer extortion. Can sask reach 50% average.? Definitely. Will that reduce CO2 output, or fossil fuel consumption when it all needs to be backed up by fossil fuels? Will anyone be able to afford the electricity coming out the other end?

Australia has a way more wind and solar than Saskatchewan will have and their system operator said they can handle 60 70 % from renewables. Yes there are issues like how to compensate failing coal suppliers but many of the technical issues are manageable and will become e much more manageable as we use storage and smart grid applications. The operator also said solar and wind are the cheapest generation sources.

Fossil fuels also have hidden environmental and health costs which are not included in their pricing. They are also subsidized in various ways so when you add it all up they are not as cheap as you think they are. But you don’t want to discuss these issues! Haha

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, this is where oneoff's saying, if you put enough horsepower behind anything it will fly comes in. In this case, money.
Most expensive electricity in the world is a small side effect:
https://electricityandgas.com.au/article/aussies-paying-highest-energy-prices-in-the-world/ https://electricityandgas.com.au/article/aussies-paying-highest-energy-prices-in-the-world/
As are billions in subsidies :
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://stopthesethings.com/tag/cost-of-australias-renewable-subsidies/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiNkoyy5_3rAhUJpZ4KHcwZCB4QFjANegQ ICBAB&usg=AOvVaw3INvoA4fJ-bPn14yANLwmW https://www.google.com/url?q=https://stopthesethings.com/tag/cost-of-australias-renewable-subsidies/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiNkoyy5_3rAhUJpZ4KHcwZCB4QFjANegQ ICBAB&usg=AOvVaw3INvoA4fJ-bPn14yANLwmW

As are brownouts and blackouts and rationing.
Now telling people not to use air conditioning if they are working from home this summer, since the grid can't handle it.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-21/why-working-from-home-could-spark-power-disaster-down-under/12667814 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-21/why-working-from-home-could-spark-power-disaster-down-under/12667814

[malleefarmer]

analysisOf on levelised cost of electricity which includes operating as well as investment costs, and is the best way known to compare the costs of different technologies, like fossil fuel plants which require relatively low capital costs, but higher operating expenses and wind and solar which require high capital outlays but low operating expenses.
Hence the need for govt subsidize costs of solar.

Either way govt pays via taxpayer or raise the costs to consumers so playing field is level ifvthere is such a thing.

Our state highest RES in Australia most exoensive electricity.

We also have third highest uranium reserves.

The other oft forgotten issues is replacement sure coal and gas energy plants need replacing but guys i know albiet only 3 thus far have had to replace there whole solar system after 15 yrs average. 25 yr guarentee etc errr the company that intstalled it is long gone.

Best technology hardware etc isgerman or danish comes at a premium though more than double “Comparable” chinese systems.

Conundrum andhonestly most australians are sick of whole thing justcwant cheap power nomatter were it comes from hybrid system of some sort or nuclear but that wont happen anytime soon.

[chuckChuck]

Chuck, this is where oneoff's saying, if you put enough horsepower behind anything it will fly comes in. In this case, money.
Most expensive electricity in the world is a small side effect:
https://electricityandgas.com.au/article/aussies-paying-highest-energy-prices-in-the-world/ https://electricityandgas.com.au/article/aussies-paying-highest-energy-prices-in-the-world/
As are billions in subsidies :
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://stopthesethings.com/tag/cost-of-australias-renewable-subsidies/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiNkoyy5_3rAhUJpZ4KHcwZCB4QFjANegQ ICBAB&usg=AOvVaw3INvoA4fJ-bPn14yANLwmW https://www.google.com/url?q=https://stopthesethings.com/tag/cost-of-australias-renewable-subsidies/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiNkoyy5_3rAhUJpZ4KHcwZCB4QFjANegQ ICBAB&usg=AOvVaw3INvoA4fJ-bPn14yANLwmW

As are brownouts and blackouts and rationing.
Now telling people not to use air conditioning if they are working from home this summer, since the grid can't handle it.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-21/why-working-from-home-could-spark-power-disaster-down-under/12667814 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-21/why-working-from-home-could-spark-power-disaster-down-under/12667814

You are fear mongering. All systems have some reliability issues with or without renewables. Australia is coping with their large uptake of renewables. Fossil sources aren’t paying for health costs, pollution, environmental degradation nor the cost of climate change. So the hidden costs are not included in the current prices. Yes it’s going to cost something to transition to cleaner energy sources. But the cost of doing nothing will be much higher. Btw the Australian Energy Council That represents 22 generation companies said that private forecasts Are not indicating any significant issues. Read the article you posted!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

You didn't address the costs.

Is "most expensive in the world" a bug or a feature of this renewable energy success story?

[malleefarmer]

Comparing canada to australia is like comparing shitte to clay.

Might look similar but........

Could be wrong but thinking glen has a holiday house in oz he know way more about the nuts and bolts of electricity here than I.

[chuckChuck]

You didn't address the costs.

Is "most expensive in the world" a bug or a feature of this renewable energy success story?

Did that many posts ago, Australia deregulated their system to a large degree so there are a number of reasons why there electricity costs are higher and renewables are only a portion of the responsibility for higher prices. You need to stop blaming renewables for everything! LOL

BTW Canada gets 60% of their electricity already renewables .....from hydro! So yes Australia and Canada are different. But wind and solar work here as well. Just ask Sask power!

[furrowtickler]

You are fear mongering. All systems have some reliability issues with or without renewables. Australia is coping with their large uptake of renewables. Fossil sources aren’t paying for health costs, pollution, environmental degradation nor the cost of climate change. So the hidden costs are not included in the current prices. Yes it’s going to cost something to transition to cleaner energy sources. But the cost of doing nothing will be much higher. Btw the Australian Energy Council That represents 22 generation companies said that private forecasts Are not indicating any significant issues. Read the article you posted!

Seriously how the hell can you compare Australia to Canada ??? What is wrong with you ?
We have 5 months of limited sun and freezing temps !!!!!!

[Guest]

Seriously how the hell can you compare Australia to Canada ??? What is wrong with you ?
We have 5 months of limited sun and freezing temps !!!!!!

the proof is in the pudding
he is a few bricks short of a load

[Guest]

Wind always blows .... lol

sure as **** doesn't blow when we are combining , only spraying

[tweety]

Seriously how the hell can you compare Australia to Canada ??? What is wrong with you ?
We have 5 months of limited sun and freezing temps !!!!!!

Solar panels are more efficient in winter, but yes unfortunately the day is short.

The Albany wind farm is a success story in Australia and provides 80% of the power needs for Albany.

But, why is it successful? Wind blows really strong for about 359 days a year.

Putting a wind farm where the wind blows all the time makes sense. Many installations make no sense at all.

So after all the build up, Tesla announced cobalt free cathodes, and a tabless battery design that increases power density. Also they will be making their own cells.

Toyota/Panasonic is still working on their solid state battery, much higher density then Lithium, but it fails after several charges. They are convinced they will figure it out. The prototype vehicles were to be at the show this year, but covid stopped that. Best part, charging times of like 15 minutes and 10% capacity loss over 30 years. QuantumScape (VW) plans to have SSB's by 2025. Dyson is on the train as well. No one is sitting around.