Tesla Megapack

[furrowtickler]

So that was how long ago? 10,20,30 years? And technology and costs haven't changed since then? LOL

And how do you explain the change to more renewables in SK, ND, Great Britain, Australia, California, Germany, Denmark.........., the list is long.

The Australian operator we discussed a few weeks ago already said wind and solar are the cheapest generation sources now. She is on the ground making decisions based on current facts not based on outdated information.

Lol , things slightly different here in northern latitudes .
Do you think an igloo will work in Australia?
It’s very effective in the Arctic

[tweety]

Transalta is building the Windcharger project. Enough power for 80,000 homes.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-megapacks-alberta-canada-update/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-megapacks-alberta-canada-update/

Hornsdale Australia, 130 MWH. MegaPacks and wind.

https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/ https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/

But, The experts on Agriville disagree.

[jazz]

But, The experts on Agriville disagree.

AF5 spent a lengthy post last winter going through the loads coming from these wind farms. I suggest you have a relook at that. In his analysis, these things were barely providing single digit percent load contributions on good days and in many cases it was zero and they were shut down, outbid by gas plants.

Natural gas would need to double to make these feasible but thats what the carbon tax is meant to do. A penalty and a subsidy all rolled into one.

[tweety]

AF5 spent a lengthy post last winter going through the loads coming from these wind farms. I suggest you have a relook at that. In his analysis, these things were barely providing single digit percent load contributions on good days and in many cases it was zero and they were shut down, outbid by gas plants.

Natural gas would need to double to make these feasible but thats what the carbon tax is meant to do. A penalty and a subsidy all rolled into one.

I see your revered fascist cult leader where you all wear matching hats just gave 16 billion to American farmers for "covid relief" aka buying votes. Good luck competing against subsidies like that.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I see your revered fascist cult leader where you all wear matching hats just gave 16 billion to American farmers for "covid relief" aka buying votes. Good luck competing against subsidies like that.

Not sure how that became relevant to this discussion, bu Can you offer a solution for Canadian farmers? We can't vote for or against US policies. Our votes are impotent within this confederation to affect Canadian policies. What other options can you put forth.

[tweety]

Not sure how that became relevant to this discussion, bu Can you offer a solution for Canadian farmers? We can't vote for or against US policies. Our votes are impotent within this confederation to affect Canadian policies. What other options can you put forth.

You can start working together at the very least. Also as Canadians, you can stop idolizing the business decisions and people from other countries who are screwing you over daily.

But once again I'm sure the experts disagree.

[bucket]

Quit voting conservative ....that would send a message

[AlbertaFarmer5]

You can start working together at the very least. Also as Canadians, you can stop idolizing the business decisions and people from other countries who are screwing you over daily.

But once again I'm sure the experts disagree.

The total number of Canadian farms is smaller than the population of 2 average federal electoral ridings. We could all unite and vote as a block, and have zero effect.

If you can't beat em, join em, comes to mind.

[Hamloc]

Transalta is building the Windcharger project. Enough power for 80,000 homes.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-megapacks-alberta-canada-update/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-megapacks-alberta-canada-update/

Hornsdale Australia, 130 MWH. MegaPacks and wind.

https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/ https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/

But, The experts on Agriville disagree.

Tweety, last winter when it was -30 there was very little generation from Alberta’s over 20 wind farms and it was for a long enough period of time that batteries would never last. So in that case how many homes were they powering?! And fyi as I have stated many times I am not a Trump fan!!

[jazz]

I see your revered fascist cult leader where you all wear matching hats just gave 16 billion to American farmers for "covid relief" aka buying votes. Good luck competing against subsidies like that.

Thats not our country or our concern. Worry about whats in front of your face. In Canada, there is no workable version of any renewable energy that will ever power this country, period, except for a virtue signal exercise. Thats simple physics to the misinformed.

Too cold, too far north, to sparsely populated, too cloudy, too snowy, and vast distances between population centers and no willingness from anyone to connect critical infrastructure for the benefit of the nation. Thats the realty of the country for the misguided.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Thats not our country or our concern. Worry about whats in front of your face. In Canada, there is no workable version of any renewable energy that will ever power this country, period, except for a virtue signal exercise. Thats simple physics to the misinformed.

Too cold, too far north, to sparsely populated, too cloudy, too snowy, and vast distances between population centers and no willingness from anyone to connect critical infrastructure for the benefit of the nation. Thats the realty of the country for the misguided.

Never say never. Solar and wind look like improbable candidates. But we have lots more water and elevation differences yet to be exploited.
We can apply the technology used in modern oil well drilling to tap into geothermal energy.
We may find an economic way to capture wave energy on our extensive coasts.
Could be something we've never even attempted, solar wind, earths magnetic field, maybe GMO bacteria insects to capture energy from small scale natural processes like decay etc. Nanobots doing the same.
The fad of fleecing taxpayers and energy customers with solar and wind will pass, cheap gas and oil will cycle back to new highs, and innovators will find working solutions in spite of governments and Chuck's.

[malleefarmer]

Transalta is building the Windcharger project. Enough power for 80,000 homes.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-megapacks-alberta-canada-update/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-megapacks-alberta-canada-update/

Hornsdale Australia, 130 MWH. MegaPacks and wind.

https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/ https://hornsdalepowerreserve.com.au/

But, The experts on Agriville disagree.

The battery has a total generation capacity of 100 megawatts, and 129 megawatt-hours of energy storage. This has been decribed as “capable of powering 50,000 homes”, providing 1 hour and 18 minutes of storage.

[Hamloc]

The battery has a total generation capacity of 100 megawatts, and 129 megawatt-hours of energy storage. This has been decribed as “capable of powering 50,000 homes”, providing 1 hour and 18 minutes of storage.

Mallee you made my day for that I thank you!!

[tweety]

Tweety, last winter when it was -30 there was very little generation from Alberta’s over 20 wind farms and it was for a long enough period of time that batteries would never last. So in that case how many homes were they powering?! And fyi as I have stated many times I am not a Trump fan!!

Good to hear on trump, i think that makes 4 now lol.

So turn up the gas for that period. The rest of the time it contributes quite well. It isn't about replacing, it is about adding to the grid in a sustainable way.

There seems to be a misunderstanding of the intent. Renewables for today isn't about turn off the gas. coal, whatever completely. It is about adding to, learning, innovating, moving forward. Did we go from a bunch of horses walking in a circling powering a threshing machine to a JD 690 in one step? Or a rattle Model T to the smooth vehicles of today? It has taken 100 years. Do the same with renewable, if it doesn't work think up something else but today some ideas are working so build on them.

It isn't all or nothing when it comes to renewable. That's where we come in, ensuring policy is friendly to the adaption of these technologies and not hampering to them. 100 years of lobbying has made the fossil fuel industry quite safe from any sort of "interference" from alternate systems.

[tweety]

The total number of Canadian farms is smaller than the population of 2 average federal electoral ridings. We could all unite and vote as a block, and have zero effect.

If you can't beat em, join em, comes to mind.

I am specifically referring to the lobby efforts of Cdn farmers. You come to Ottawa in packs and every one of them has a different policy direction. You may as well not come at all. At committee, each group brings up a different direction.

Ok, what is the official position of the financial effects of Covid on agriculture to all Canadian farmers? Who is doing that work? Who brings it forward as a single position for all Canadian farmers?