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China still isn't buying Canola maybe it is about politics? You Think!

SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 5, 2020 | 06:29 1 The experts at the Canola council came out this week and now say china still isnt back in the canola game with Canada and only about 1/3 of what they use to buy is going there.

They say its more about politics than disease etc. Whatever flavor of BS they are hurting Western Canadian farmers.

Canola is still moving to china but now a middle country buys from Canada at a discount then the boat is loaded and papers say specific country the boat leaves and heads straight to china. Documents changed and all is good. Middle man country makes a cool $2. a bushel all is good.

Those who say we need to get our money from the market I agree but this is a total shit show caused by our own federal gov and they do nothing for farmers in Canada but as of today Trudeau just pissed away another 182 million on ****ing masks to a company in Quebec with zero factory thanks to SNLavalin and that is all ok.

Come on Canadian farm groups your being played. Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 5, 2020 | 06:36 2
    Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER View Post
    The experts at the Canola council came out this week and now say china still isnt back in the canola game with Canada and only about 1/3 of what they use to buy is going there.

    They say its more about politics than disease etc. Whatever flavor of BS they are hurting Western Canadian farmers.

    Canola is still moving to china but now a middle country buys from Canada at a discount then the boat is loaded and papers say specific country the boat leaves and heads straight to china. Documents changed and all is good. Middle man country makes a cool $2. a bushel all is good.

    Those who say we need to get our money from the market I agree but this is a total shit show caused by our own federal gov and they do nothing for farmers in Canada but as of today Trudeau just pissed away another 182 million on ****ing masks to a company in Quebec with zero factory thanks to SNLavalin and that is all ok.

    Come on Canadian farm groups your being played.
    Hmmm , took them this long to come to this conclusion?? Wow
    Some have actually said on here that politics have nothing to do with grain markets ....... 🙄 Reply With Quote

  • Aug 5, 2020 | 06:52 3
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Hmmm , took them this long to come to this conclusion?? Wow
    Some have actually said on here that politics have nothing to do with grain markets ....... 🙄
    Yup and those are the people representing farmers...head in the sand types....

    Guys that like to pat the politicians on the back ....and then they can have a go at the political scene...

    Go to AGM of any checkoff group and you will see a group of incompetent people that have been representing farmers for decades....for the most part....

    Those that question or raise their voices are radicals....and will meet the wrath of the farm groups.... Reply With Quote

  • SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 5, 2020 | 06:57 4 Why did this come out now? Follow the money.

    Farmers are fed up and pulling money out of the groups funding so damage control.

    Have to keep the games continuing. Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 5, 2020 | 07:25 5 I maybe wrong but isn't there a paper called 'end user certificate' that stated when grain was sold it was to end user and couldn't be resold?

    But I guess when buyers are all multinational companies or foreign owned they can do as they please.

    Their job is to buy as cheap as possible from producers and sell as high as possible where ever they can and they are damd good at their jobs.

    Just like farmers are damd good at their job of producing as much as they can. Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 5, 2020 | 07:36 6
    Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER View Post
    Why did this come out now? Follow the money.

    Farmers are fed up and pulling money out of the groups funding so damage control.

    Have to keep the games continuing.
    Exactly, if farmers did not start pulling money , absolutely nothing would have been said . Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 5, 2020 | 07:45 7
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Exactly, if farmers did not start pulling money , absolutely nothing would have been said .
    And yet at the Saskpulse AGM it was hard to get a second on the resolution to make the checkoff refundable or voluntary and was of course soundly defeated...

    35 million gets sucked out of farmers pockets every year and what is there to show for it????

    The Saskatchewan Agriculture minister was at the back of the room when the resolution passed for a program for carbon credits for farmers ....he went on a 4 billion spending spree to help 250 farmers instead...

    The province has the money to help farmers and rejuvenate the industry with youth....they choose not to....even with the average age of farmers at 58 years.... Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 5, 2020 | 07:59 8 Canola check-off was the least per tonne amongst my application for refunds . But is one of the most expensive crops to grow. Am I paying for research to have SeedCos continually ramp up seed costs with their new wonder traits?

    Some varieties up to almost $700/ bag..... fùck me! And ya, the market access thing.... but when your own government is somewhat to blame? How do you fight government incompetence? Or foreign government sanctions/ tariffs?

    There was probably some good work being done by some commodity groups, but I want my money now. It won't make or break me but.... I've never asked for refunds before, just the last two years and I've been farming a while now.

    And then there's the duplication between the provinces and national and provincial level in some commodities.

    If your levy dollars that go to research are used to extract higher seed cost money from you, in the past and future when the seed tax is in force, ask yourself what you are actually paying for. Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 5, 2020 | 08:14 9 just last week viterra was literally begging for canola so the question is if we can get rid of it without China where is it going? Through other countries then to China?
    And if not when they get back in the game surely we ll
    Get the 2.00 a bushel we are losing? Reply With Quote
    Aug 5, 2020 | 08:35 10 Some canola is going to europe, some short crops there, for a change.
    Short wheat crops too, but russia filling their needs,,, so far. Reply With Quote
    blackpowder's Avatar Aug 5, 2020 | 09:30 11 Thinking back on all the starry eyed meetings I've been at talking about quality blah blah.
    I now realize that no one buys a commodity because they want to. Think about that for a while.
    In the context of canola, wheat, or oil.
    The new norm is a new Cold War using trade. Reply With Quote
    SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 5, 2020 | 11:08 12 Yes it’s like wheat I’m delivering today that the contract was done in April for June delivery. Yep they get to play with a pile of grain and this stupid farmer held it for them the whole time. Good times as I wait in line in August. Reply With Quote
    Aug 5, 2020 | 12:04 13 [QUOTE=SASKFARMER;460831]Yes it’s like wheat I’m delivering today that the contract was done in April for June delivery. Yep they get to play with a pile of grain and this stupid farmer held it for them the whole time. Good times as I wait in line in August.

    That would be check-off money well spent,,, if they would put some effort into designing delivery contracts with the graincos, that are more balanced, and compensate the farmer for holding grain for them past the delivery window. Contracts across the board should be improved, including specialty contracts. Reply With Quote

  • SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 5, 2020 | 13:58 14 It’s time for regular farmers to start questioning all the bs going on in agriculture.

    Because in reality it’s guys like Chucky that run for these boards and since most farmers don’t care they create policy that quite frankly sucks.

    Prove me wrong? Reply With Quote
    Aug 5, 2020 | 14:09 15
    Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER View Post
    It’s time for regular farmers to start questioning all the bs going on in agriculture.

    Because in reality it’s guys like Chucky that run for these boards and since most farmers don’t care they create policy that quite frankly sucks.

    Prove me wrong?
    Got names of these guys? Can't think of any in Alberta Commissions or Most the ones in Ottawa with the mind set you refer to. Reply With Quote
    Aug 5, 2020 | 14:42 16 I consider myself a regular farmer and have found the mindset of organizations that say they represent me ....diametrically opposite of what might be good for a farmer like myself.

    As an example the CEBA ...A 450 acre retired farmer with a numbered company can apply and get 40000 while a 4000 acre sole proprietor would only get 40000 as well...on a per acre basis there is quite a difference.
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    Aug 6, 2020 | 10:37 17 Sf3 yes it was a mistake to arrest
    Meng , we were played , just as Harper
    Would have done. Without question.
    And 700$ a bag canola is our own
    Fault. Mostly with conservative help.
    We gave up public canola breeding.
    With your blessing.
    And again the conservatives you
    Support have now have created the same scenario
    For every other seed ..
    If you voted conservative,
    700$ canola seed is what you wanted.
    Pretty soon you will have
    A 30$ yearly lease , just for the right to
    Use any seed.
    And as much as you try, you are
    Way more to blame than Trudeau. Reply With Quote
    SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 6, 2020 | 15:31 18 Great pep talk sawlie great 👍.

    You got it all figured out.

    Canola is screwed because skippy is the most weakest pathetic excuse of a federal leader Canada has ever had.

    Nice socks

    Little potato was weak and the world began to shit on canada.

    Today trump hits aluminum and where is skippy.

    MIA

    Gay pride parade

    Stoned

    Gay bar

    Divorce court

    Or surfing Reply With Quote
    Aug 6, 2020 | 16:30 19
    Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER View Post
    The experts at the Canola council came out this week and now say china still isnt back in the canola game with Canada and only about 1/3 of what they use to buy is going there.

    They say its more about politics than disease etc. Whatever flavor of BS they are hurting Western Canadian farmers.

    Canola is still moving to china but now a middle country buys from Canada at a discount then the boat is loaded and papers say specific country the boat leaves and heads straight to china. Documents changed and all is good. Middle man country makes a cool $2. a bushel all is good.

    Those who say we need to get our money from the market I agree but this is a total shit show caused by our own federal gov and they do nothing for farmers in Canada but as of today Trudeau just pissed away another 182 million on ****ing masks to a company in Quebec with zero factory thanks to SNLavalin and that is all ok.
    Thats why everyone needs to clawback the *** money they take from us for palm springs meetings
    Come on Canadian farm groups your being played.
    Thats why everyone needs to clawback the *** money they steal from us for palm springs meetings Reply With Quote