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Aug 1, 2020 | 07:17 1 Strikes again. Not that it's a surprise. You might recall, these solar companies routinely go broke a couple of years after receiving billions of dollars of government funds and guarantees.

Somebody walked away with at least a couple of hundred million in taxpayer dollars in this one.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUKKCN24V3C4

"The plant had been selling power at $139 per megawatt-hour, the company said. Solar energy contracts for large photovoltaic projects today are generally below $30 per MWh." Reply With Quote
Aug 1, 2020 | 07:24 2 Think Saskatchewan government is watching and wondering? Reply With Quote
Aug 1, 2020 | 07:49 3
Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
Think Saskatchewan government is watching and wondering?
Perhaps the question should be - who is greasing whose palms in the Saskatchewan government? The bribes will be kept nearly invisible.

The nature of red energy is such that corruption is an inevitability. Reply With Quote
Aug 1, 2020 | 08:12 4 A very short stretch of maybe 5 -7 poles of 3 phase power line construction was built to service the "solar farm" just outside my home community.

They must expect that solar farm to generate some serious electricity or built capacity for future expansion.

She's going into the grid..... Reply With Quote
Aug 1, 2020 | 09:04 5 The United States has more than 2,500 utility-scale solar photovoltaic plants. 1 went broke. Better scrap the whole industry. Reply With Quote
Aug 1, 2020 | 09:18 6
Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
A very short stretch of maybe 5 -7 poles of 3 phase power line construction was built to service the "solar farm" just outside my home community.

They must expect that solar farm to generate some serious electricity or built capacity for future expansion.

She's going into the grid.....
And you will have the honour of paying for that "free" power going into your grid for decades to come. Reply With Quote
Aug 1, 2020 | 09:23 7
Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
The United States has more than 2,500 utility-scale solar photovoltaic plants. 1 went broke. Better scrap the whole industry.
So far ..... time will tell Reply With Quote
Aug 1, 2020 | 09:27 8
Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
The United States has more than 2,500 utility-scale solar photovoltaic plants. 1 went broke. Better scrap the whole industry.
Could be money well spent to figure out why it wasn't successful. This was not your run of the mill design. Probably was doomed before they turned the first shovel of soil.
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Aug 1, 2020 | 09:39 9
Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
The United States has more than 2,500 utility-scale solar photovoltaic plants. 1 went broke. Better scrap the whole industry.
Try a google search for failed or bankrupt solar in US. The list is long and growing, most of them taking significant tax dollars with them.

For example, some old links:
https://www.dividedstates.com/list-o...lar-companies/
https://247sports.com/college/usc/Bo...ures-14241190/
https://www.myheritage.org/news/19-g...payer-expense/ Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 1, 2020 | 10:30 10
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    Try a google search for failed or bankrupt solar in US. The list is long and growing, most of them taking significant tax dollars with them.

    For example, some old links:
    https://www.dividedstates.com/list-o...lar-companies/
    https://247sports.com/college/usc/Bo...ures-14241190/
    https://www.myheritage.org/news/19-g...payer-expense/
    Try a google search on bankrupt and failed oil companies, or ones in arrears on lease payments, or abandoned wells. Many have failed despite billions in tax payer subsidies - and many more tax payer billions to clean up their environmental mess.

    https://insolvencyinsider.ca/industry/oil-and-gas/

    Should also shut down the oil industry? Reply With Quote
    Aug 1, 2020 | 10:50 11
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    Try a google search on bankrupt and failed oil companies, or ones in arrears on lease payments, or abandoned wells. Many have failed despite billions in tax payer subsidies - and many more tax payer billions to clean up their environmental mess.

    https://insolvencyinsider.ca/industry/oil-and-gas/

    Should also shut down the oil industry?
    See, now this is why it isn't a complete waste of time countering Chuck's propaganda. There are still posters who will believe it and repeat it. We assume he has zero credibility after being refuted every time, but evidently not, as this post proves.
    Tweety just parroted Chuck's anti fossil fuel rants almost to the word. Tweety, please look back through old posts about the fallacy and scale of ff subsidies vs renewable, as compared to useful energy produced.
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  • Aug 1, 2020 | 16:51 12 Apparently the Saskatchewan Auditor is spouting propaganda too. Because she identified Numerous, suspended, orphaned, and abandoned oil wells that oil companies will have to properly decommission. The same goes for Alberta except on a much larger scale. The bill will be in the billions and oil companies will pass the cleanup costs on to taxpayers if they can get away with it. Another subsidy!

    All tweety has to do is listen to the news and these issues are well know. But for A5 it’s all propaganda! LOL. The oil industry can do no wrong with “bright lights” like A5 who loves to sling mud instead of addressing real issues! Oil companies not paying land owners their lease payments and municipal taxes is a real issue. But A5 doesn’t want to talk about it. Because it’s left wing Marxist propaganda! Hahaha Reply With Quote
    Aug 1, 2020 | 18:01 13 So much boolah all to hijack crazy government subsidies. I just talked to some people today who are installing solar. I asked, “ why are you doing this?” They said they were doing it so they could get the $20,000 government subsidy. Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Aug 1, 2020 | 18:14 14
    Quote Originally Posted by sumdumguy View Post
    So much boolah all to hijack crazy government subsidies. I just talked to some people today who are installing solar. I asked, “ why are you doing this?” They said they were doing it so they could get the $20,000 government subsidy.
    None of that SCAM works without Gov $$$, sounds like irrigation? Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 1, 2020 | 19:31 15
    Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
    None of that SCAM works without Gov $$$, sounds like irrigation?
    Nothing compares to irrigation for the highest subsidy....not even dairy. Reply With Quote
    Aug 1, 2020 | 19:49 16 With sincere apologies to Wiltonranch, for mentioning he who must not be named.
    Not that it would matter since he is in denial about his own name anyways. Reply With Quote
    Aug 2, 2020 | 01:29 17
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    With sincere apologies to Wiltonranch, for mentioning he who must not be named.
    Not that it would matter since he is in denial about his own name anyways.
    Told you so lol Reply With Quote

  • Aug 2, 2020 | 09:04 18 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...in-sa/12202004


    The Australian Energy Market Operator clearly states that wind and solar are the cheapest way to generate electricity in Australia.

    "Australia already has the technical capability to safely operate a power system where three quarters of our energy at times comes from wind and solar energy generation," Ms Ziebelman said.

    "However, to do so requires changes in our markets and regulatory requirements, otherwise, AEMO will be required to limit the contribution of these wind and solar resources to 50 or 60 per cent of electricity supply at any point in time, even though they are the lowest cost way of providing electricity."

    "Red" energy is the cheapest! Whaaat? Say its not so! It can't be true!. Its a lie! Its a scam! Its a fraud. Its a socialist plot! Australians are all Marxists. Mallee is a Marxist because he has even considered solar! LMAO Reply With Quote
    Aug 2, 2020 | 09:30 19
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post

    "Australia already has the technical capability to safely operate a power system where three quarters of our energy at times comes from wind and solar energy generation,"
    Do you think that qualifier (in bold) is an important part of that sentence? Reply With Quote
    Aug 2, 2020 | 09:42 20 Solar matches peak loads for air conditioning in Australia during the hottest driest weather. Need I say more? Are you going to be heartbroken when utilities and homeowners start installing storage systems for wind and solar? What are you going to say then? It really must bother you when after all these years you have tried to tell us wind and solar are not viable and Australia has loads of both that provide the cheapest source of generation according to one of their regulators. Time to move on.

    Now what about those abandoned, orphaned, and suspended oil wells in Alberta? Are you going to pay for their cleanup? Get your check book out! LOL Reply With Quote
    Aug 2, 2020 | 10:47 21
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    Do you think that qualifier (in bold) is an important part of that sentence?
    For example, if everyone installed solar just like you with grid for back up, and Sask power promises to Provide 100% of your backup power needs at times. Except they neglect to mention that those "at times" only includes the times when solar panels are generating at capacity. Not the other 80% when the freeloaders are relying on the grid? The rest of the time you can freeze in the dark?

    Have you consulted with Mallee about what that market penetrion is costing him? And if he can afford to run an air conditioner when it is needed the most? Reply With Quote
    Aug 2, 2020 | 11:02 22 Manhattan Institude just posted a reality check for green energy. Reply With Quote
    Aug 2, 2020 | 11:27 23
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    For example, if everyone installed solar just like you with grid for back up, and Sask power promises to Provide 100% of your backup power needs at times. Except they neglect to mention that those "at times" only includes the times when solar panels are generating at capacity. Not the other 80% when the freeloaders are relying on the grid? The rest of the time you can freeze in the dark?

    Have you consulted with Mallee about what that market penetrion is costing him? And if he can afford to run an air conditioner when it is needed the most?
    Or perhaps "Hans", in Germany:

    Forbes
    "Der Spiegel - Schellenberger
    Over the last decade, journalists have held up Germany’s renewables energy transition, the Energiewende, as an environmental model for the world...

    With Germany as inspiration, the United Nations and World Bank poured billions into renewables like wind, solar, and hydro in developing nations like Kenya.
    But then, last year, Germany was forced to acknowledge that it had to delay its phase-out of coal, and would not meet its 2020 greenhouse gas reduction commitments. It announced plans to bulldoze an ancient church and forest in order to get at the coal underneath it...

    Solar and wind advocates say cheaper solar panels and wind turbines will make the future growth in renewables cheaper than past growth but there are reasons to believe the opposite will be the case.

    It will cost Germany $3-$4 trillion to increase renewables as share of electricity from today's 35%...

    Der Spiegel cites a recent estimate that it would cost Germany “€3.4 trillion ($3.8 trillion),” or seven times more than it spent from 2000 to 2025, to increase solar and wind three to five-fold by 2050. ...

    Solar farms take 450 times more land than nuclear plants, and wind farms take 700 times more land than natural gas wells, to produce the same amount of energy...

    Many Germans will, like Der Spiegel, claim the renewables transition was merely “botched,” but it wasn't. The transition to renewables was doomed because modern industrial people, no matter how Romantic they are, do not want to return to pre-modern life.

    The reason renewables can’t power modern civilization is because they were never meant to. One interesting question is why anybody ever thought they could."

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#b408322ea2b9 Reply With Quote
    Aug 2, 2020 | 11:28 24 I am looking out my window at thousands of sun soaked acres. Where are the solar panels? What are they waiting for? If its such a slam dunk it should displace oil in about a yr. I mean this pandemic is perfect time to do it with oil in the gutter and climate change accelerating even though the entire economy is shut down.

    Now cue chuck with some article about harper and big oil interests trying to shut down this technology. Reply With Quote
    Aug 2, 2020 | 11:40 25
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    For example, if everyone installed solar just like you with grid for back up, and Sask power promises to Provide 100% of your backup power needs at times. Except they neglect to mention that those "at times" only includes the times when solar panels are generating at capacity. Not the other 80% when the freeloaders are relying on the grid? The rest of the time you can freeze in the dark?

    Have you consulted with Mallee about what that market penetrion is costing him? And if he can afford to run an air conditioner when it is needed the most?
    Give us a break there Fred. I said I am willing to pay for backup from Saskpower. Whats the value of backup?

    Sask power is designing their grid around significant amounts of renewables mostly wind. They are signing deals with MB Hydro, and installing gas plants all designed to easily ramp up and back up wind when needed. The plan is to ditch coal by 2030.

    Are they wrong? Show us the numbers.

    You must assume nobody is going to add storage systems onto renewables ever! Energy systems are changing but you certainly aren't.

    Remember Steve Harper said Canada would stop using fossil energy sources by 2100. Are you luddites ready? Are you still using your dial up party line their A5? Or your outhouse? They worked and are a lot cheaper! LOL
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    Aug 2, 2020 | 12:10 26
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    I am looking out my window at thousands of sun soaked acres. Where are the solar panels? What are they waiting for? If its such a slam dunk it should displace oil in about a yr. I mean this pandemic is perfect time to do it with oil in the gutter and climate change accelerating even though the entire economy is shut down.

    Now cue chuck with some article about harper and big oil interests trying to shut down this technology.
    Perhaps you haven't left your damp cave for awhile? There are hundreds of windmills in North Dakota and many in Saskatchewan and many many more around Europe. Plus I am seeing more solar systems on farms here as I venture around. There must be a lot of marxists farmers with solar systems! LOL

    Plus all the solar that's being installed and operating in the "great" USA.

    Australia has up to 1 in 3 households with rooftop solar systems in some areas.
    So many its going to be putting the coal plants out of business unless they figure out a better way to pay for their backup supply.

    Time to get off the farm and away from the conspiracy sites Jazz. Reply With Quote
    Aug 2, 2020 | 12:21 27 Note the date of this tweet:

    Mike Shellenberger
    @ShellenbergerMD
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    Jul 2, 2019
    The problem with nuclear is that it demands neither the radical remaking of society nor the fantasy of harmonizing with nature

    All it does is grow societal wealth while decoupling the economy from environmental destruction

    No wonder they hate it so much Reply With Quote
    Aug 2, 2020 | 12:29 28
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Perhaps you haven't left your damp cave for awhile? There are hundreds of windmills in North Dakota and many in Saskatchewan and many many more around Europe.
    So they are already everywhere? And still cant provide 1% of our base power needs.

    You have convinced me.

    The Indians have a windmill and a couple acres of solar panels near Regina. The windmill is always stopped and the panels sit in snow drifts all winter. All spring long the windmill couldn't operate because we had too much wind, now since the solstice we have no wind.

    But they do rent out the remaining 310ac to a pretty good farmer.

    Why don't they push him off and cover the whole half with panels? The govt will probably provide a subsidy. Probably because they are making about 10 times off the land rent than the non existent power. Renewable power cant even compete with piddly land rent let alone oil and gas.
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    Aug 2, 2020 | 12:32 29 The info in Schellenberger's twitter feed is staggering. The Marxist leftist enviros must have a price on his head by now.

    https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/...45263238369284

    It takes some real cajones to step back from being as heavily invested as he was. And then going just as public with his renunciation of the scam.

    Likely why so few leftists can admit that they sucked up all the misinformation.
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  • Aug 2, 2020 | 12:36 30
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Give us a break there Fred. I said I am willing to pay for backup from Saskpower. Whats the value of backup?
    You must assume nobody is going to add storage systems onto renewables ever! Energy systems are changing but you certainly aren't. ... LOL
    No you are not willing to pay for back up. You get your back up power at peak times for the same rate you sell your excess when demand is lowest. The rest of us get to pay for it. Under that cushy arrangement, no one is installing actual back up. Not that it even exisys on a scale that is feasible, let alone economic. But when storage technology eventually becomes feasible, I will be the first to adopt. Remember the thread where it was revealed yhay 3 months storage is required at our latitude and with our climate? Reply With Quote