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Jul 5, 2020 | 08:03 1 A few questions for dryland farmers to ponder over the next few days as you crop scout and look at grain prices...

1. Are returns better for pulses with the 113 million give away from Protein Industries Canada or will they see an uptick for that 30000 tonne demand created by government money....its only 0.03 bpa demand over the acreage seeded ....hardly a grain of sand in a dump truck....but 113 million for that tonnage.

2. Will your life be better with a 4 billion dollar investment in irrigation that you will be paying for along with your grandkids....The existing large projects at Riverhurst , Outlook and Luck Lake are still on the government tit....and will be forever....the irrigation farmers are taking your markets with higher production while their expenses are still being picked up by the government...

3. The CGC ads on the side bar of this site....can a grain commission employee even find a field....and to know your grade before you deliver means a weeks long or longer wait...nearest office is 2 hours away...this is what the 130 million slush fund is being used for....

4. Can new machinery with 1970s grain prices be paid for

5. What does an X combine cost and what is wrong with New Hollands design

6. Do larger farms need big combines or just more combines....that DOT autonomous thing is trying to downsize machinery

7. With all the people unemployed these days ...why do people get put on hold for services????

8. Who has the pictures and videos of politicians to make a 4 billion dollar project happen like this...Highway 42 Eyebrow to Moose Jaw was just rebuilt ...wouldnt it only make sense to build a primary if you knew this project was coming????

9. Why does every area that gets an irrigation project have services like a grain elevator closed?

10. Do grain and cattle guys get half their equipment and all their infrastructure costs paid for by government?

11...Why do 25000 dryland farmers allow 4 billion to slip to 300 farmers....take the carbon tax that no one can afford....Scott moe could have covered that cost with a refund cheque if he has 4 billion to build these other projects....it will balloon to 10 billion when the federal government gets involved and of course Quebec will need some work out of it....thats why the government is still on the hook for the cement pipe from Quebec that is breaking down...just stupid and history proves it...



Just thinking on a Sunday morning ...Some stupid but mostly factual...
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  • Jul 5, 2020 | 09:11 2 One other question with 30 cent red lentils....

    When will the Nebraska corn farmer with a pivot realize he could grow lentils with one tenth the water ....one trip to Saskatchewan ought to prove the process...

    200bpa corn at 4 bucks or 40 bpa lentils at 18 bucks a bushel...you do the math....

    It would save the Nebraska aquifer that Lyle Stewart was eluding to in his press release...

    Good thing we will all be saved from empty store shelves by this project....such stupidity....irrigation farmers in Saskatchewan for the most part grow dryland crops....not store shelf commodities... Reply With Quote
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  • Jul 5, 2020 | 09:23 3 You're thinking in the deep end again....lol.

    I need a PFD to join you there. Reply With Quote
    Jul 5, 2020 | 09:54 4 Farmland in these irrigation areas has already jumped substantially going by realtor listings. Reply With Quote
    Jul 5, 2020 | 10:54 5
    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver88 View Post
    Farmland in these irrigation areas has already jumped substantially going by realtor listings.
    Sadly it is not the grain prices or the individual farmer investing in his own farm....the only reason there is a capital gain on that land is because of government money being spent...

    The capital gain on the land should go to the government/taxpayer....

    As an example....if dryland farmland is worth 250000 a quarter in these areas but because of the irrigation infrastructure paid for by taxpayers makes it worth 500000....the gain belongs to the taxpayer....

    I seen this in the riverhurst area where the pipeline went across an older lady's land ...she was renting it out with no intention of ever putting a pivot up or investing money in that land to rent at a higher price....nope ...when the project went in that quarter was worth 25000.....was sold 7 years ago before the land jump still as a dryland quarter for over 300000....dryland in the area would have been trading for under 100k....

    Sure the potential for irrigation was on that quarter but the landowner did nothing to extract the value ....the government made it possible....capital gains exempt probably with the right renting agreement ....but the value is from the government...

    At the very least the gains should be a taxable benefit not capital gains exempt....plus the value of the capital infrastructure on farm should be a taxable gain..

    Dryland farmers and ranchers can't get machinery paid for by government...a pivot is just a piece of machinery.

    Pipeline on electricity to the pivot on farm are capital projects ....no different than running a new service to a farm house or shop....but there is funding to put a pivot in...not so much to repopulate rural saskatchewan Reply With Quote
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  • Jul 5, 2020 | 11:26 6 And before everyone starts calling me a socialist because I think gains on land within an irrigation district should go back to the province.....

    A socialist is one who likes to use government money to enrich himself....

    I get a kick out of the saskparty blaming the NDP for shuttering the West Side project....why didn't the capitalist farmers in the area that vote Saskparty do the project on their own????

    The answer is simple.... they would all be broke even paying for the engineering study.

    This 4 billion dollar plan is a socialist idea....no money from the farmer....no new crop mix....and very little effort to make it happen over the last 40 years on their own....they waited for the government to pay for it...

    And used empty store shelves to justify it.....idiotic. Reply With Quote
    Jul 5, 2020 | 11:29 7 We don't have a natural gas service on Ghetto Central of the Slum of the Ghetto. Quotes for service are astronomical. Add in a service large enough for a grain drier and it's much worse, depending on distance and volume requested.

    Can I get government to pay for that asset for my farm?

    What's the difference? Reply With Quote

  • Jul 5, 2020 | 11:36 8
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    We don't have a natural gas service on Ghetto Central of the Slum of the Ghetto. Quotes for service are astronomical. Add in a service large enough for a grain drier and it's much worse, depending on distance and volume requested.

    Can I get government to pay for that asset for my farm?

    What's the difference?
    Exactly....my point exactly....

    You would pay the gas charges if they put a service into your yard....

    And to put in real life terms of the large irrigation districts.....Their current water bill should be over 125 an acre....40 bucks comes from the government...

    Infrastructure for free plus government support on the water bill...nice hey???

    Farm groups should be outraged....

    Riverhurst cost about 75 million in 1990 ...at a 5 percent return on investment ...that project should be paying back 3.75 million every year to the saskatchewan taxpayer....its actually the other way around....the government is still paying them... Reply With Quote
    Jul 5, 2020 | 17:56 9 500 million for 80000 acres is 6250 which equates to about $875,000 per quarter plus on farm expense...just about a million a quarter...


    If my average sized farm got one million in total in free capital there isa good chance my farm would be better off...


    They are getting that for every quarter of irrigated land.....one miiiiiillion dollars per quarter...plus operating cost subsidized as well...in perpetuality.... Reply With Quote
    Jul 5, 2020 | 18:13 10 Agree Bucket this is complete b/s .
    I don’t understand either why farm groups are silent . Maybe they believe their turn is next lol
    If irrigation is all what they say , they pay . For tax payers to be on the hook for this is ridiculous Reply With Quote
    Jul 5, 2020 | 21:57 11 How much money are irrigation acres paying in income taxes and other taxes? Reply With Quote
    Jul 5, 2020 | 22:03 12
    Quote Originally Posted by TASFarms View Post
    How much money are irrigation acres paying in income taxes and other taxes?
    If the district is getting 40 bucks an acre for the next 5 years ...the answer is nothing....they are receiving a refund every year...

    For some guys it means a million dollars in water expense not coming out of their pockets....

    And considering that capital infrastructure was given to them and the government is on the hook for some replacement still....their taxes wouldn't cover the costs...

    And the rebuttal question would be how much tax does a dryland farmer pay for zero capital investment from government. ..
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    Jul 5, 2020 | 23:38 13 I think if you look at all the workers Involved, equipment sold , extra grain sold and transported, extra inputs applied for this irrigation project the govt will be getting some of it back. It’s not fair to you or me but it will increase the provinces gdp. Reply With Quote
    Jul 5, 2020 | 23:51 14
    Quote Originally Posted by TASFarms View Post
    I think if you look at all the workers Involved, equipment sold , extra grain sold and transported, extra inputs applied for this irrigation project the govt will be getting some of it back. It’s not fair to you or me but it will increase the provinces gdp.
    It has to get 4 billion back first....and during that time there has to be a ROI on the 4 billion even at 1 percent that's 40 million a year in interest. ...

    Maybe you haven't read how there isn't a rail line into Outlook or Riverhurst ...

    And what you don't think dryland farmers are not growing more or buying inputs..

    The existing 3 large irrigation projects are still funded by government. ... zero ROI..... and since the higher production ....no good highways and won't fix them either. Reply With Quote
    Jul 6, 2020 | 01:25 15 Wonder How many big time sask party supporters are benefitting directly from this? Reply With Quote
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  • Jul 6, 2020 | 06:47 16 Whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting.

    No I won’t benefit from this project, but the province will. Trying to stay positive here, as the Gardner dam when built was the biggest earth filled dam in the world, how dare they take the risk, no industry, no population etc etc that 40 million dollars maybe could have or even should. Have been spent on what?
    - hydro contributes 500 million dollars in revenue each year in sask.
    - Lake Diefenbaker supplies 60 % of Sask drinking water needs.
    Etc
    Etc

    Was the 40 million fed /provincial a waste of money?

    The spillway is open, if you’ve never been there you should go. Every one leaves and says wow! Reply With Quote
    Jul 6, 2020 | 07:07 17

    Why arent they trying to get irrigation going in the paliser triangle. That is were the biggest bang for a buck would be Reply With Quote
    Jul 6, 2020 | 07:08 18 If the province is still funding the current 30 year old projects ...how is the province benefitting?

    What is really annoying is private irrigators that have spent their own money are being shit on by the province not providing simple water licenses or the WSA allowing things like lowering lake levels for a DU project... Reply With Quote
    Jul 6, 2020 | 07:13 19
    Quote Originally Posted by Rareearth View Post
    Whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting.

    No I won’t benefit from this project, but the province will. Trying to stay positive here, as the Gardner dam when built was the biggest earth filled dam in the world, how dare they take the risk, no industry, no population etc etc that 40 million dollars maybe could have or even should. Have been spent on what?
    - hydro contributes 500 million dollars in revenue each year in sask.
    - Lake Diefenbaker supplies 60 % of Sask drinking water needs.
    Etc
    Etc

    Was the 40 million fed /provincial a waste of money?

    The spillway is open, if you’ve never been there you should go. Every one leaves and says wow!
    Spillway is open again?


    What they should do is build the dam at Leader if water is an important resource....then let farmers use their money to irrigate...

    Opening the spillway means they could of filled another lake the size of lake Diefenbaker ....we seen the spillway open over 10 years ago....before that they hadn't opened them other than maintenence. ...and yes it's quite a site ....you have to hear it.

    You know if they built a dam at leader with a hydro facility and then used the water again at the coteau plant....that gets to be pretty efficient use of water....its called cascading the water ...using it two or three times before flushing it...

    Open spillway is flushing water....but it also helps mitigate floods and build capacity for future water events...like the 2 inches we are supposedly in for this week....
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    Jul 6, 2020 | 07:35 20
    Quote Originally Posted by bucket View Post
    500 million for 80000 acres is 6250 which equates to about $875,000 per quarter plus on farm expense...just about a million a quarter...


    If my average sized farm got one million in total in free capital there isa good chance my farm would be better off...


    They are getting that for every quarter of irrigated land.....one miiiiiillion dollars per quarter...plus operating cost subsidized as well...in perpetuality....
    Just across the border in Southern Alberta , if you have a 1/4 section with an irrigation pivot you are looking at big $$$ to buy any land in that area. I have heard as high as seven figures. Reply With Quote
    Jul 6, 2020 | 07:41 21
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    We don't have a natural gas service on Ghetto Central of the Slum of the Ghetto. Quotes for service are astronomical. Add in a service large enough for a grain drier and it's much worse, depending on distance and volume requested.

    Can I get government to pay for that asset for my farm?

    What's the difference?
    That is just crazy. down here in my area they are shutting in natural gas fields the past few years because they aren't making any money ,and in your area you can't even get a line put to the yard without mortgaging a 1/4 of land!

    Just last year a local gas company made the announcement they were shutting in a 1500 well gas field over a three year period. Granted some of the wells didn't produce too good anymore , but quite a few guys lost their jobs or had to relocate.

    This has been going on for some time down here. Reply With Quote
    Jul 6, 2020 | 07:48 22
    Quote Originally Posted by GALAXIE500 View Post
    Just across the border in Southern Alberta , if you have a 1/4 section with an irrigation pivot you are looking at big $$$ to buy any land in that area. I have heard as high as seven figures.
    I think the Alberta guys used some of their own money to build it...in Saskatchewan the capitalists use government money to build it and keep the capital gain ...

    Saskatchewan irrigation projects are at a disadvantage ...really no different than dryland....low population means we are an exporter....consolidation of rail and elevators in this area means more production has to be trucked instead of using rail ( really stupid that they pulled the rail lines and elevators to Riverhurst and Outlook ) ...but I guess some would call that job creation by default...

    Further from port means higher freight costs when you get on rail lowering the net price...

    But i guess if the government is picking up 40 bucks an acre for five years on district irrigation land....you have a little extra money to wreck secondary highways trucking grain....

    Is anyone understand what I am trying to say about these projects ...yet?

    ....the infrastructure that was there for all farmers is gone...the fact they thought of 4 billion to spent means highways in general continue to crumble for everyone...

    The fact they rebuild highways to secondary standards while talking about a 100000 acre project is complete lack of planning...

    They government spent 25 million for the highway between Eyebrow and Moose Jaw ....now they are going to spend 3 billion on irrigation in the area with a secondary highway and the 10000 tonne concrete elevator closed in Eyebrow....Seems to me there would be potential there for both an expansion of the elevator rail spur and maybe container loading with this future wealth being created.....thunk ....fell off my chair laughing.

    You guys know the GTH was set up for this Quappelle south irrigation project ...right....produce to be moved through that site....


    Its even more laughable now. Worse than the Spudco fiasco...
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