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Jun 28, 2020 | 07:13 1 So now we have all had some time to see things unfold although to me just about as many questions as before since politics has been used to skew both sides version of how dangerous this is.

Major views are it’s dangerous but we can’t let it stop us financially,
It’s not dangerous, it’s dangerous so stay at home. It’s dangerous but use common sense and it won’t be bad.

The USA openned up earlier than us and now major spikes in infections Texas for example hospitals at near capacity and cases rising so what’s everyone’s prediction? Realize predictions are based on what is known today and actions taken by governments change daily but if this stays the course with the USA basically openned up how bad or not will this get? Reply With Quote
Jun 28, 2020 | 07:25 2 Herd Immunity or Vaccine.....

Until either is achieved, it will linger and lurk for a while with the risk of high infection rate. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 28, 2020 | 07:26 3 I predict it will magically disappear after the election. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 28, 2020 | 07:41 4
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    I predict it will magically disappear after the election.
    It won't but the hysteria might. Reply With Quote

  • Jun 28, 2020 | 08:12 5
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    I predict it will magically disappear after the election.
    The u.s. election will be decided on which party can get people to vote more than once due to the fact that they are pushing for voting without presenting any form of identification, or maybe this has been implemented already,and mail in ballots going to be an absolute joke in fraudulent voting as well. What is wrong with providing identification when casting a ballot just to make it that much harder to vote multiple times at multiple locations. Mail in ballots will be harvested from the elderly or outright purchased from people who don't care and will sell to whoever comes along. Not to mention how many people that are incapacitated or dead that will be voting. Reply With Quote
    Blaithin's Avatar Jun 28, 2020 | 09:34 6
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Herd Immunity or Vaccine.....

    Until either is achieved, it will linger and lurk for a while with the risk of high infection rate.
    Didn’t think anyone seems to get immunity from having it. Seems to be quite a few who get it again.

    Which would make a vaccine harder. Reply With Quote
    Jun 28, 2020 | 09:37 7
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    I predict it will magically disappear after the election.
    Like Trump we hope! Get your Bud Light ready there Jazz! Reply With Quote
    Jun 28, 2020 | 10:10 8
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaithin View Post
    Didn’t think anyone seems to get immunity from having it. Seems to be quite a few who get it again.

    Which would make a vaccine harder.
    Then we have a real problem.

    The world's new "smallpox" crisis. Beatable only by selective-immunity survival? Reply With Quote
    Blaithin's Avatar Jun 28, 2020 | 10:28 9
    Quote Originally Posted by burnt View Post
    Then we have a real problem.

    The world's new "smallpox" crisis. Beatable only by selective-immunity survival?
    Not so bad if that fabled .026% mortality rate rings true. But would that apply to all infections or just the first? Would people be more or less likely to die on second (or third or fourth) rounds with the virus.

    Either way, the average lifespan might be dropping like a rock. No need to have retirement savings that’ll last 20+ years at least! Reply With Quote
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    Jun 28, 2020 | 11:11 10
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaithin View Post
    Not so bad if that fabled .026% mortality rate rings true. But would that apply to all infections or just the first? Would people be more or less likely to die on second (or third or fourth) rounds with the virus.

    Either way, the average lifespan might be dropping like a rock. No need to have retirement savings that’ll last 20+ years at least!
    I have been saying this for years. That life expectancy will peak at some point in the future and start dropping. So hopefully mid-80s for me. Possibly only 80 for my kids as they are in way worse shape than I was at their age and so on. Reply With Quote
    Jun 28, 2020 | 11:28 11
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaithin View Post
    Not so bad if that fabled .026% mortality rate rings true. But would that apply to all infections or just the first? Would people be more or less likely to die on second (or third or fourth) rounds with the virus.

    Either way, the average lifespan might be dropping like a rock. No need to have retirement savings that’ll last 20+ years at least!
    So could this be nature's solution to the ethical dilemmas created by unnaturally intervening to extend our years beyond what we are capable of achieving without extensive and expensive medical interventions?

    Like a drug for every bug, a pill for every ill and a stitch for every itch... Reply With Quote
    Blaithin's Avatar Jun 28, 2020 | 11:59 12 You can’t successfully fight Nature. Eventually she’ll win. She has no ethics or morals to cause dilemmas. She just does what she does.

    Farmers know this. We battle her every year and how often does it end in our favour.

    It’s only a matter of time before something takes out large chunks of the population. Be it natural disaster or pandemic. We’ve become extremely reliant on drugs, engineering, our intelligence, Etc. like those will protect us from everything, always. Fat chance.

    It’d be like fighting human nature. No matter what people think, we’re pretty much always just going to be selfish, conceited, asshats more concerned with ourselves than our neighbours. Reply With Quote
    Jun 28, 2020 | 12:47 13 If you are in an environment where you do not know if the virus may be present:

    1. Wear a mask all the time
    2. wash your hands often
    3. do not share a dish, cup or cigarette
    4. maintain distances of more that one meter(the best at reducing odds)
    5. spend less that 15 minutes with close contacts


    Chances of getting the virus are greatly reduced
    It's not that hard Reply With Quote
    Jun 28, 2020 | 12:55 14
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaithin View Post
    You can’t successfully fight Nature. Eventually she’ll win. She has no ethics or morals to cause dilemmas. She just does what she does.

    Farmers know this. We battle her every year and how often does it end in our favour.

    It’s only a matter of time before something takes out large chunks of the population. Be it natural disaster or pandemic. We’ve become extremely reliant on drugs, engineering, our intelligence, Etc. like those will protect us from everything, always. Fat chance.

    It’d be like fighting human nature. No matter what people think, we’re pretty much always just going to be selfish, conceited, asshats more concerned with ourselves than our neighbours.
    Which leads to the question: Are we capable of making choices, or are we fully pre-programed to act as we do? Reply With Quote
    fjlip's Avatar Jun 28, 2020 | 12:55 15 Spanish scientists have found traces of the coronavirus in water sewage samples dating back to March 2019, suggesting the novel virus that triggered the current pandemic emerged from China much earlier than the Chinese Community Party previously admitted.

    According to Reuters, the University of Barcelona revealed Friday that scientists discovered parts of the COVID-19 genome in wastewater samples collected in Barcelona in March 2019.
    After the COVID-19 outbreak reached Europe, scientists at the university began conducting research on wastewater to possibly identify new outbreaks. They also decided to test old water samples, those collected between January 2018 and December 2019. Only a sample from March 2019 tested positive for COVID-19.

    "The levels of SARS-CoV-2 were low but were positive," research leader Albert Bosch said, Reuters reported.
    In an interview with the New York Times, Bosch explained, "Barcelona is a city that is frequented by Chinese people, in tourism and business, so probably this happened also elsewhere, and probably at the same time."

    Regarding the virus being found in a single sample from March 2019, Bosch said that it makes sense because "respiratory viruses usually have peaks around this time of the year."
    Dr. Joan Ramon Villalbi of the Spanish Society for Public Health and Sanitary Administration told Reuters the research is "definitely interesting, it's suggestive."
    Italian scientists have also said they found COVID-19 genetic material present in sewage months before the virus turned northern Italy into the global COVID-19 hotspot.
    China claims they only became aware of the virus in late December 2019. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 28, 2020 | 14:03 16
    Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
    Spanish scientists have found traces of the coronavirus in water sewage samples dating back to March 2019, suggesting the novel virus that triggered the current pandemic emerged from China much earlier than the Chinese Community Party previously admitted.

    According to Reuters, the University of Barcelona revealed Friday that scientists discovered parts of the COVID-19 genome in wastewater samples collected in Barcelona in March 2019.
    After the COVID-19 outbreak reached Europe, scientists at the university began conducting research on wastewater to possibly identify new outbreaks. They also decided to test old water samples, those collected between January 2018 and December 2019. Only a sample from March 2019 tested positive for COVID-19.

    "The levels of SARS-CoV-2 were low but were positive," research leader Albert Bosch said, Reuters reported.
    In an interview with the New York Times, Bosch explained, "Barcelona is a city that is frequented by Chinese people, in tourism and business, so probably this happened also elsewhere, and probably at the same time."

    Regarding the virus being found in a single sample from March 2019, Bosch said that it makes sense because "respiratory viruses usually have peaks around this time of the year."
    Dr. Joan Ramon Villalbi of the Spanish Society for Public Health and Sanitary Administration told Reuters the research is "definitely interesting, it's suggestive."
    Italian scientists have also said they found COVID-19 genetic material present in sewage months before the virus turned northern Italy into the global COVID-19 hotspot.
    China claims they only became aware of the virus in late December 2019.
    Interesting, but now the question will be did it actually begin in China, or in Europe based on it being was found in Barcelona back in March 2019. Could be a Chinese tourist picked up the virus in Barcelona and took it back to Wuhan instead of the other way around and a Chinese tourist took it to Barcelona. Reply With Quote
    Jun 28, 2020 | 15:06 17
    Quote Originally Posted by fjlip View Post
    Spanish scientists have found traces of the coronavirus in water sewage samples dating back to March 2019, suggesting the novel virus that triggered the current pandemic emerged from China much earlier than the Chinese Community Party previously admitted.

    According to Reuters, the University of Barcelona revealed Friday that scientists discovered parts of the COVID-19 genome in wastewater samples collected in Barcelona in March 2019.
    After the COVID-19 outbreak reached Europe, scientists at the university began conducting research on wastewater to possibly identify new outbreaks. They also decided to test old water samples, those collected between January 2018 and December 2019. Only a sample from March 2019 tested positive for COVID-19.

    "The levels of SARS-CoV-2 were low but were positive," research leader Albert Bosch said, Reuters reported.
    In an interview with the New York Times, Bosch explained, "Barcelona is a city that is frequented by Chinese people, in tourism and business, so probably this happened also elsewhere, and probably at the same time."

    Regarding the virus being found in a single sample from March 2019, Bosch said that it makes sense because "respiratory viruses usually have peaks around this time of the year."
    Dr. Joan Ramon Villalbi of the Spanish Society for Public Health and Sanitary Administration told Reuters the research is "definitely interesting, it's suggestive."
    Italian scientists have also said they found COVID-19 genetic material present in sewage months before the virus turned northern Italy into the global COVID-19 hotspot.
    China claims they only became aware of the virus in late December 2019.
    Wow...... the EU had motive on the back of Brexit and the inability to fund the current arrangement. The euro is worth watching for indications this is true. A break of 108 on a monthly close would indicate the death knell for them. If they hid this ....

    Do you have the full article fjlip?
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    Jun 28, 2020 | 15:45 18
    Quote Originally Posted by macdon02 View Post
    Wow...... the EU had motive on the back of Brexit and the inability to fund the current arrangement. The euro is worth watching for indications this is true. A break of 108 on a monthly close would indicate the death knell for them. If they hid this ....

    Do you have the full article fjlip?
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN23X2HQ Reply With Quote
    Jun 28, 2020 | 15:58 19
    Quote Originally Posted by macdon02 View Post
    Wow...... the EU had motive on the back of Brexit and the inability to fund the current arrangement. The euro is worth watching for indications this is true. A break of 108 on a monthly close would indicate the death knell for them. If they hid this ....

    Do you have the full article fjlip?
    findings in Italy in December
    https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...3e9ab2f15a35e3 Reply With Quote
    Jun 28, 2020 | 18:08 20
    Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post
    Interesting, but now the question will be did it actually begin in China, or in Europe based on it being was found in Barcelona back in March 2019. Could be a Chinese tourist picked up the virus in Barcelona and took it back to Wuhan instead of the other way around and a Chinese tourist took it to Barcelona.
    Thats right, it can't be china, this is proof!!!! China innocent!!!!!! Reply With Quote
    Jun 28, 2020 | 18:29 21
    Quote Originally Posted by sk_wheatking View Post
    Thats right, it can't be china, this is proof!!!! China innocent!!!!!!
    But you missed the most obvious conclusion. This was released into the world a full year before reported. The entire world has had this and recovered already. Hence the huge asymptotic cases. A novel deadly virus with a 99% asymptotic result and a 98% survival rate...right. They are just finding the antibodies with the tests now and creating hysteria.

    What a joke this has become. Reply With Quote
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  • Blaithin's Avatar Jun 28, 2020 | 18:32 22
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    But you missed the most obvious conclusion. This was released into the world a full year before reported. The entire world has had this and recovered already. Hence the huge asymptotic cases. A novel deadly virus with a 99% asymptotic result and a 98% survival rate...right. They are just finding the antibodies with the tests now and creating hysteria.

    What a joke this has become.
    Alright. Go find someone who’s an active confirmed case and give them a kiss then. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 28, 2020 | 18:40 23
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaithin View Post
    Alright. Go find someone who’s an active confirmed case and give them a kiss then.
    I have probably already had it and didn't even know. So have you. So has most of the planet.

    Like I told you all before, if there was really a deadly new virus that had emerged, brand new to the human immune system, you would have seen stadiums full of dead in the first few months. Just like the bubonic plague.
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    Blaithin's Avatar Jun 28, 2020 | 18:46 24 I think you failed virology 101. Reply With Quote
    Jun 28, 2020 | 18:57 25
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaithin View Post
    I think you failed virology 101.
    Refute the reasoning if you can. Don't just drop ad hominem insults. That's a cop out.

    That article proves there were unrestrained carriers roaming the planet for a year before the strain was identified. 3 weeks gestation to apparent death. Work it out. Using the experts own contact models.

    Unrestrained carriers should have resulted in millions of deaths by now. Where are they? Reply With Quote
    biglentil's Avatar Jun 28, 2020 | 19:03 26
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    I have probably already had it and didn't even know. So have you. So has most of the planet.

    Like I told you all before, if there was really a deadly new virus that had emerged, brand new to the human immune system, you would have seen stadiums full of dead in the first few months. Just like the bubonic plague.
    Pls stop Jazz most of the planet has not contracted it. When it tears through a nursing home it's pretty obvious.

    "A*New York City nursing home reported 98 resident deaths Friday believed to be linked to the coronavirus, a figure so staggering the facility ordered a refrigerator truck to store the bodies until backed-up funeral homes could pick them up."
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    Jun 28, 2020 | 19:16 27 The biggest issue to me is that I don’t trust the number of deaths caused by this as stated by governments. It has become so obvious that those govs they want to get re elected are under stating and those that want to get elected are possibly overstating.
    If this was here before we thought no one was tested for this at all at time of death. So who knows Reply With Quote
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  • fjlip's Avatar Jun 28, 2020 | 19:40 28 "Bosch, who is president of the Spanish Society of Virologists, said that an early detection even in January could have improved the response to the pandemic. Instead, patients were probably misdiagnosed with common flu, contributing to community transmission before measures were taken."

    Well if true, infections for a year undiagnosed could mean MILLIONS had it, 98% are mild, so the death rate could be TINY, as any other flu or the COLDS we all have! Reply With Quote
    Blaithin's Avatar Jun 28, 2020 | 19:48 29 The morbidity of it now lends credence to it being fairly new. Or at least the strains currently making the rounds that are so easily transmissible are newer. Keeping in mind coronavirus IS the cause of the common cold.

    If it was around for a year Florida should already all have had it at the rate they’re going right now. Which means... they haven’t already all had it, or immunity is next to non existent, or its evolved. Reply With Quote
    Jun 28, 2020 | 20:36 30 BL, think, stop and really think instead of what you feel like is happening.

    The CDC model of march showed that a group of unrestained carriers in the US with no lock down and no measures at all would result in 2.2M deaths in a population of 350M by August, just 5 months. Those were the experts right?

    Now apply that to the planet for twice as long. A group of carriers sprreading over the entire planet March 2019 to January 2020. That's 9 months of spread in a population of 7B before any lockdowns were even considered. That would have result in more than 100M dead.

    You would have thought our experts might have noticed 100M dying people going through the hospital systems of the world.

    Deaths are dropping, the recorded mortality rate in the entire population is 0.26% right now as verified by Stanford. More than 98% survival. Lots of things rip through nursing homes. People dying at 85 are not a representative sample of any cause of death in the general population.
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