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Jun 25, 2020 | 21:10 1 This post by Folta about the US Covid situation must be considered. Maybe Canada can learn from the US fiasco.
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  • Jun 25, 2020 | 21:22 2 Oops

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  • Jun 25, 2020 | 21:43 3 That dam real data .....hmmmm lol

    It will get sensord in 2 days
    Chuck will will come up with some kind of scientific 3 year study From a list of bonifide scientific leftists LOL
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  • Jun 25, 2020 | 21:53 4 With all the confusion and politics of this issue none of those numbers mean anything. Except that when you have outbreaks you do start having real deaths with real people. That have causes associated to the disease.
    There is no doubt trump and the loonies have ordered heart attacks caused by Covid to be heart attacks. And I would assume the other side is not calling it a heart attack. The disease has caused and is causing way more deaths here in my opinion as well. In our little community the over 75 crowd has been all but wiped out starting back in December no Covid testing was done all the way through. So who knows what rhe real answer is. Except if you believe it isn’t dangerous or infectious and you don’t observe or practice safe habits as much as possible it will cost all of us.

    Jazz maybe put up the new chart for USA infections they’re headed for a major disaster but only in the states that will reveal the real numbers.

    In sask it’s beyond stupid to open up big gatherings why would you do that for unnecessary things? For businesses yes open things up have rules that limit exposure it can be done. But many of the rules just don’t make sense. Kids are going back to school in the fall who s gonna be cleaning them rooms desks etc constantly? Yet other businesses can only have so many patrons in and out? It’s dumb. Do more for the business side but the unnecessary parties etc what rhe hell for? Until there is a vaccine at least.
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    Jun 25, 2020 | 21:56 5 [QUOTE=jazz;456924]Oops

    lol at Jazz. Well, you got the oops right. You see, most people do not die the moment they test positive. The disease progresses, as most disease do. Positive tests have been going up for over a week, hospitalizations are now starting to rise, and death rates will increase in the near future. Say weren't you predicting less than 30,000 deaths in US a while back? What happened? Or in your world is the current 122,000 deaths within your margin of error? So who should we be listening to Jazz or Folta? Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 25, 2020 | 21:59 6 [QUOTE=dmlfarmer;456928]
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Oops

    lol at Jazz. Well, you got the oops right. You see, most people do not die the moment they test positive. The disease progresses, as most disease do. Positive tests have been going up for over a week, hospitalizations are now starting to rise, and death rates will increase in the near future. Say weren't you predicting less than 30,000 deaths in US a while back? What happened? Or in your world is 122,000 within your margin of error? So who should we be listening to Jazz or Folta?
    Most people died from natural causes and then “diagnosed” with Covid .... fact Reply With Quote

  • Jun 25, 2020 | 22:15 7 [QUOTE=furrowtickler;456929]
    Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post

    Most people died from natural causes and then “diagnosed” with Covid .... fact
    Fact according to who?

    What happenned in New York in Italy was a fact what happens when you get it to a point you can’t manage it Reply With Quote
    Blaithin's Avatar Jun 25, 2020 | 22:24 8 [QUOTE=furrowtickler;456929]
    Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post

    Most people died from natural causes and then “diagnosed” with Covid .... fact
    Is Covid an unnatural cause? Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 25, 2020 | 22:53 9 [QUOTE=the big wheel;456931]
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post

    Fact according to who?

    What happenned in New York in Italy was a fact what happens when you get it to a point you can’t manage it
    Not saying is was / is a real threat
    A huge amount of Covid cases were in fact blamed on deaths , not deaths on Covid
    Check it out , DYODD
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  • biglentil's Avatar Jun 25, 2020 | 23:14 10 Those that think all this covid shit is over it's not unfortunately. We are near mid summer when people are getting plenty of Vitamin D and fresh air, people generally get sick much less in the summer. In the last 3 months of social distancing confirmed total cases went from less than 1 million to almost 10 million. Will the total number of cases be 100 million 3 months from now? Or if we carry the same exponential growth curve out 6 months, 1 billion people infected? What would happen to the supply chain, health care system, and economy.... in such a scenario. There are reports of some of those 'recovered' experiencing neurological problems, lung and organ issues. Death isn't the only concern. Though in closed cases half a million have died of covid or in other terms 9% of cases that have had an outcome. Nothing to sneeze at moistly.

    But hey do what ever you like, buy that boat or hot tub. Keep touting your scamdemic theory and live for today like 99% of Joe public! I'll be working on the chicken coop, splitting wood and preparing for what could be a very shitty winter.

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    Jun 25, 2020 | 23:14 11 Cases rising deaths dropping for 2 months. No death spike is coming.

    Not novel, not deadly. 0.26% chance of death right on par with the flu.

    San Diego, 300 deaths related to covid, only 26 pure covid deaths. Apply that ratio to the rest of the US. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 25, 2020 | 23:19 12
    Quote Originally Posted by biglentil View Post
    Those that think all this covid shit is over it's not unfortunately. We are near mid summer when people are getting plenty of Vitamin D and fresh air, people generally get sick much less in the summer. In the last 3 months of social distancing confirmed total cases went from less than 1 million to almost 10 million. Will the total number of cases be 100 million 3 months from now? Or if we carry the same exponential growth curve out 6 months, 1 billion people infected? What would happen to the supply chain, health care system, and economy.... in such a scenario. There are reports of some of those 'recovered' experiencing neurological problems, lung and organ issues. Death isn't the only concern. Though in closed cases half a million have died of covid or in other terms 9% of cases that have had an outcome. Nothing to sneeze at moistly.

    But hey do what ever you like, buy that boat or hot tub. Keep touting your scamdemic theory and live for today like 99% of Joe public! I'll be working on the chicken coop, splitting wood and preparing for what could be a very shitty winter.

    Looks like global warming charts
    How’s your heat units this year
    Actually everyone in western Canada the past three years ?
    Again not discounting the seriousness, but at least 1/2 the death rates or more blamed on Covid the person died of natural causes
    What was the overall death rate of all the last years to date btw ?? On average?
    Just curious, must be several scientific studies no ??
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  • Jun 25, 2020 | 23:22 13 The beauty is, a year from now we will have an answer as to who is right. And probably lots of poor dead people. But hey, we never gave a **** about them when times were good, so why should we now?

    Until then, enjoy the show. Canada episodes are boring as **** as they keep dragging out the season. India and Brazil episodes way better. Next season of Canada could be a lot of fun though. and US might have a mid-summer blockbuster, "Walking Dead - Congregation" or "Honey, I Killed a Protestor". Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 00:01 14 Let’s see the stats on North America of deaths of all causes on average from the past 3 years to date from Feb till now Reply With Quote
    biglentil's Avatar Jun 26, 2020 | 00:03 15
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Looks like global warming charts
    How’s your heat units this year
    Actually everyone in western Canada the past three years ?
    Again not discounting the seriousness, but at least 1/2 the death rates or more blamed on Covid the person died of natural causes
    What was the overall death rate of all fly’s last year to date btw ??
    Very well could be some deaths overstated. But like I said in February this could be a nasty lesson in exponential growth. Up till now the medical system has been able to cope. What happens to the dialysis, cancer patient,emergency patients....when there is no more room. What happens to the death rate when coronavirus treatment just isnt available?

    News from yestarday:
    "Texas Medical Center in Houston said 97% of its ICU beds are occupied, and its normal occupancy rate is 70% to 80%It has an emergency plan to increase the number of ICU beds from 1,462 to 2,649, but expect they will all fill up in just two weeks. Coronavirus hospitalizations have doubled in Texas over the last month and tripled in the Greater Houston area"

    I'm like you guys I'm sick of it. I wish this covid crap (CCP Virus) would come to an end. I'm just taking an objective look at what I see coming down the pipe. Looks like a shit storm on the horizon, possibly many fold worse than what we have seen so far. I prefer to be ahead of the herd and have my TP on hand.
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  • Jun 26, 2020 | 00:20 16 And the last thing we need is to open up to the USA given their complete potential for disaster. Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 01:02 17 Biglentil, back on April 2nd, you posted the same graphic current to that day, with the following text:

    96% Death Rate in cases with an outcome in the UK. #NotTheFlu
    I countered

    I fail to see the point in posting such useless statistics. As noted before, it takes much longer to recover than it does to die, so at the beginning, this stat will be completely skewed. We test 100% of the really severe cases, and those that end in death, and test an unknown percentage of those who recover without hospitalisation or show no symptoms at all, you have a known number divided by a complete unknown variable, the result is also unknown, or the margin or error is massive. A couple of months from now, with everyone getting tested, go ahead and post such stats, right now, it is worse than useless.
    It has been more than a couple of months, so we are revisiting it. The recorded death rate is now at 9% of cases with an outcome. And still dropping for the reasons noted above. 9% is still really scary, even 0.26% is really scary. I wouldn't partake in an activity with a 1/4 percent chance it will kill me( do it once every day for slightly over a year, and statistically, it will kill you).

    But, the alarmism from April about a 96% death rate was proven to be wrong by at least a factor of 10, or even as much as 370 times if 0.26% turns out to be correct when all is said and done. Yet you come back posting the same graphic contradicting what you posted in April, yet still using it to justify the same level of alarm? In a few more months, it will likely have dropped drastically again, as more cases have an outcome, we can revisit it again then.

    I don't have a strong opinion on this either way. It certainly isn't a conspiracy or a hoax, but with the benefit of hindsight, the response was disproportionate to the threat. I fall somewhere in the middle. Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 03:59 18 I have flu shots yearly.

    I’m best at 80 kg current playing weight is 103 kg over weight yeah obese no.

    Supposedly I’m farmerfit whichmeans in good shape work hard all day but over weight.

    Get flu maybe once every three years knocks the beejeebers out of me. Feel like death warmed up. New strains get me.

    Had flu shot this year and doc said take It easy follow cv19 protocol. You get it 50/50 chance you won’t survive. Enough for me.

    My missus has crap immune system he told her it would kill her.

    So stuff written above ya well be correct but doc said cv19 “accelerates” death by natural causes.

    Dunno just passing it on.

    In my state/province still kinda strict two other states bit more lax she’s blown out last two weeks almost to point there going back to draconian measures. Again dunno. Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 05:56 19
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    That dam real data .....hmmmm lol

    It will get sensord in 2 days
    Chuck will will come up with some kind of scientific 3 year study From a list of bonifide scientific leftists LOL
    A “model” , perhaps? Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 06:00 20 [QUOTE=dmlfarmer;456928]
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Oops

    lol at Jazz. Well, you got the oops right. You see, most people do not die the moment they test positive. The disease progresses, as most disease do. Positive tests have been going up for over a week, hospitalizations are now starting to rise, and death rates will increase in the near future. Say weren't you predicting less than 30,000 deaths in US a while back? What happened? Or in your world is the current 122,000 deaths within your margin of error? So who should we be listening to Jazz or Folta?
    Maybe numbnuts shouldnt of went protesting shoulder to shoulder with thousands of people
    Thats when the “cause” lost a lot of people who can still think for themselves Reply With Quote

  • Jun 26, 2020 | 06:16 21 I think we were doing just fine until protests got the blessing from our overlords
    Thousands of people from all over who none had any idea who the others were or where they came from , all of a sudden allowed to have zero respect for social distancing..... what could go wrong ??? Meanwhile the rest of us continued to practice safe Social distancing and followed the guidelines set out by those same overlords .
    Ahhhh the irony of it all .
    Such a strange mental state we live in Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 06:23 22
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Cases rising deaths dropping for 2 months. No death spike is coming.

    Not novel, not deadly. 0.26% chance of death right on par with the flu.

    San Diego, 300 deaths related to covid, only 26 pure covid deaths. Apply that ratio to the rest of the US.
    Just like when you said there won't even be 30,000 deaths in the US? Or HCQ was a cure? Or the orange bleach drinking buffoon was a stable genius? Or isolation doesn't work? That the models are wrong?

    How is it possible that everything you post turns out to be completely wrong?

    https://globalnews.ca/news/7107152/t...y-coronavirus/

    100% of the icu beds are full in Texas. Does this happen with the flu? Give it a couple weeks, the death numbers won't disappoint you as for some bizarre twisted reason you enjoy seeing people die needlessly. Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 06:42 23 What are you guys talking about? Joe Biden claims that 120,000,000 lives have been lost to Covid in the US. Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 07:09 24 If you are that easily led by the MSM there is no hope for you. Anyone can opt to lock themselves under the bed if you are still scared. Put CNN on and stay there until it safe enough for you. Get your trump hate on real good. Cause thats what its really about.

    The world will go on and in about 5 months time, the virus will be gone too. Had dementia ridden Biden been president, you would have never even heard about it. He has probably already forgotten about it. Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 07:10 25
    Quote Originally Posted by littledoggie View Post
    What are you guys talking about? Joe Biden claims that 120,000,000 lives have been lost to Covid in the US.
    Probably a slip of the tongue 😴
    Ole hair sniffer most likely distracted by the squirrels 🐿 in his head Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 26, 2020 | 07:23 26 Just a little sarcasm. Next time I'll label it as such. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 26, 2020 | 07:59 27
    Quote Originally Posted by littledoggie View Post
    What are you guys talking about? Joe Biden claims that 120,000,000 lives have been lost to Covid in the US.
    Joe Biden couldn’t tell you his own name never mind covid deaths. He still thinks it’s 1984. When he was 70. Lol Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 26, 2020 | 08:00 28 Seems it's killing more small business owners then elderly and immune compromised in the US. Attached from Wall Street Journal Reply With Quote
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    Jun 26, 2020 | 08:23 30 Killed more businesses than people. Good one experts.

    The same experts who claimed having a protest riot was healthy but seeing your family was going to kill everyone.

    And now they have bundled it all up for the ultimate trifecta of foolishness, climate change exacerbates the virus and the virus is racist.

    If you trust these experts you are an idiot.
    Last edited by jazz; Jun 26, 2020 at 08:26.
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