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Blaithin's Avatar Jun 26, 2020 | 09:54 31 I really don’t get the “died of natural causes and was just called covid” perspective.

Wtf is a natural cause compared to a virus?

Heart attack? Cancer? Diabetes?

Covid has shown to stress the body out. Could this cause blood pressure issues and heart attacks? Probably. So if someone dies of a heart attack is the argument really “Well they had heart disease already so that would have killed them so Covid doesn’t really count”

Cancer and it’s treatments can lower the immune system so is the argument it’s cancer that kills the person, not the Covid? If they were healthy Covid wouldn’t normally be an issue.

If a person has a preceding health condition that may eventually prove fatal, does that mean no matter why they die, it should be attributed to that condition? Even if they could have easily lived for days, months or years longer if they’d never contracted Covid. Reply With Quote

  • Jun 26, 2020 | 11:47 32 Add this to the pile. Is Florida cooking the books?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...an-coronavirus

    You are correct Blaithin Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 13:24 33
    Quote Originally Posted by Blaithin View Post
    I really don’t get the “died of natural causes and was just called covid” perspective.

    Wtf is a natural cause compared to a virus?

    Heart attack? Cancer? Diabetes?

    Covid has shown to stress the body out. Could this cause blood pressure issues and heart attacks? Probably. So if someone dies of a heart attack is the argument really “Well they had heart disease already so that would have killed them so Covid doesn’t really count”

    Cancer and it’s treatments can lower the immune system so is the argument it’s cancer that kills the person, not the Covid? If they were healthy Covid wouldn’t normally be an issue.

    If a person has a preceding health condition that may eventually prove fatal, does that mean no matter why they die, it should be attributed to that condition? Even if they could have easily lived for days, months or years longer if they’d never contracted Covid.
    Perhaps it is just an extension of the "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does not matter to some people apparently if Covid19 hastened a death of someone with compromised health; be if age, lifestyle, weight, or underlying disease. Sort of like if you are shot, it was not the bullet that killed you, it was the blood loss that just happened to flow out the wound. Redneck logic. Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 13:45 34
    Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post
    Redneck logic.
    Well of you want to be that technical, then all deaths are actually cardiac arrest.

    Spin it anyway you want. The San Diego crew was the only ones to actually do some autopsies and post mortems and less than 10% could be attributed solely to the virus.

    There are 10,000 people dead in Canada too. I don't hear you saying jack sht about how skippy is doing hiding in his closet. Our death rate is right on the same trend for a country with 10% of the US population.
    Last edited by jazz; Jun 26, 2020 at 13:48.
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  • Jun 26, 2020 | 14:44 35 Be interesting to stats or graphs on the time when protests started and infection rate increases...... probably just coincidence Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 14:48 36 Maybe WestJet should listen as well
    https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/westjet-ends-physical-distancing-on-flights-opens-up-all-seats-starting-july-1-1.5001550

    How’s the social distancing gonna work there in a flying tin can ?
    Sure big time differences in how rules are being applied Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 16:11 37 Bunker boy hiding while the Corona virus fire rages. Texas , Florida and Arizona are burning but Bunker boy is protecting monuments instead of ramping up testing and tracing. He will plunge the U.S. and us into a deeper recession. Reply With Quote
    Jun 26, 2020 | 16:40 38
    Quote Originally Posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Be interesting to stats or graphs on the time when protests started and infection rate increases...... probably just coincidence
    Or memorial day weekend...

    Or reopening of beaches seeing as Florida and Texas are hotspots...

    Or opening Mexico boarder to TFW...

    Or reopening of bars and restaraunts without limits

    And especially if there is an outbreak in Tulsa and Phoenix areas in about 2-3 weeks after Trump rallies

    Probably will just coincidences as well right... Reply With Quote
    Jun 27, 2020 | 05:01 39
    Quote Originally Posted by dmlfarmer View Post
    Or memorial day weekend...

    Or reopening of beaches seeing as Florida and Texas are hotspots...

    Or opening Mexico boarder to TFW...

    Or reopening of bars and restaraunts without limits

    And especially if there is an outbreak in Tulsa and Phoenix areas in about 2-3 weeks after Trump rallies

    Probably will just coincidences as well right...
    Your right about all of it
    What was first out of that list or the protests ?
    Not sure is all .
    Regardless more interested in what’s happening in Canada 🇨🇦. Canada getting TFW ?? I thought I seen that’s ok now here in Canada 🇨🇦 Reply With Quote
    Jun 27, 2020 | 05:30 40
    Quote Originally Posted by agstar77 View Post
    Bunker boy hiding while the Corona virus fire rages. Texas , Florida and Arizona are burning but Bunker boy is protecting monuments instead of ramping up testing and tracing. He will plunge the U.S. and us into a deeper recession.
    Lol where has Trudeau been for 5 months ?
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    Jun 27, 2020 | 06:09 41 Not in a Bunker hiding from his own people or sending military to gas and beat them. Reply With Quote
    Jun 27, 2020 | 07:34 42 In Alberta the average age of people who’s deaths are attributed to COVID-19 is 83 years old. The question that is impossible to answer is how many people with terminal or potentially terminal diseases have not had them diagnosed or treatments postponed due to the initial shutdown of hospitals to normal operations due to COVID-19. I think that prevention targeted at those most likely to become infected will yield the best results. At some point the economy must be allowed to function. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 27, 2020 | 09:02 43
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
    In Alberta the average age of people who’s deaths are attributed to COVID-19 is 83 years old. The question that is impossible to answer is how many people with terminal or potentially terminal diseases have not had them diagnosed or treatments postponed due to the initial shutdown of hospitals to normal operations due to COVID-19. I think that prevention targeted at those most likely to become infected will yield the best results. At some point the economy must be allowed to function.
    If everyone behaves the economy can re-open. Most business is functioning. Hospitality and travel are the exception , they are important but not essential. Reply With Quote
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    Jun 27, 2020 | 09:35 44
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamloc View Post
    In Alberta the average age of people who’s deaths are attributed to COVID-19 is 83 years old. The question that is impossible to answer is how many people with terminal or potentially terminal diseases have not had them diagnosed or treatments postponed due to the initial shutdown of hospitals to normal operations due to COVID-19. I think that prevention targeted at those most likely to become infected will yield the best results. At some point the economy must be allowed to function.
    In the provincial address on Thursday they said there are 3 under 30 age men in serious condition in Edmonton hospitals that have no underlying conditions. Of course its gonna kill more elderly, but dont be foolish to think that younger people are bullet proof.

    I agree open most stuff up but there has to be some common sense involved. Reply With Quote
    Jun 27, 2020 | 14:04 45
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    Well of you want to be that technical, then all deaths are actually cardiac arrest.

    Spin it anyway you want. The San Diego crew was the only ones to actually do some autopsies and post mortems and less than 10% could be attributed solely to the virus.

    There are 10,000 people dead in Canada too. I don't hear you saying jack sht about how skippy is doing hiding in his closet. Our death rate is right on the same trend for a country with 10% of the US population.
    D per M: Canada 226 USA 387

    New cases yesterday: Canada 172 USA 47,000.

    Same trend? Your math is as good as your medical knowledge. Reply With Quote
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  • Jun 27, 2020 | 15:43 46
    Quote Originally Posted by tweety View Post
    New cases yesterday: Canada 172 USA 47,000.
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    You should maybe try to get off the farm once in a while. Looks like your self quarantine is going badly. The TDS is getting worse. Or not getting enough air through your mask.

    Have you tried sleeping in your bed instead of under it like dreamy PM Justin? Reply With Quote
    Jun 28, 2020 | 23:06 47
    Quote Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    You should maybe try to get off the farm once in a while. Looks like your self quarantine is going badly. The TDS is getting worse. Or not getting enough air through your mask.

    Have you tried sleeping in your bed instead of under it like dreamy PM Justin?
    A concise and well thought out reply as usual. Reply With Quote
    Jun 29, 2020 | 05:34 48 Having issues getting my head around the whole cv19 issue lately.

    In one state here our neighbour it’s out control seemingly we’re going ok.

    Herd immunity vaccine let it run it course ive done more somersaults and back flips than a Olympic 10 metre diver.

    Tonight I see it affects many organs and can stay in your body for years potentially which I thought would give immunity apparently not. Then another experts says well that’s only correct in part.
    Both from USA Chicago I think.

    Dunno who to believe.

    3 yr old and two teenager positive here tonight first cases for 42 days trying to figure out how and why. Reply With Quote
    Jul 1, 2020 | 04:42 49 Yas, masks should be mandatory now. But in March they were pooh-poohed as not helpful.

    Time to listen to experts.


    Latest pandemic - whiplash from listening to the experts.

    This debacle gives credence to the colloquial definition of expert - combination of "has-been" and a "drip under pressure".

    John Tory
    @JohnTory
    I support a report from Dr. @epdevilla
    that will go to to City Council today recommending that masks and face coverings become mandatory in enclosed public places. Reply With Quote